ARTICLE: Have Burnley ditched moves for Dawson and Jay Rod?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:57 am

Suggestions this morning in the Daily Mail that we've moved on to other targets.

See link
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ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:03 am

We bid 15 million for them BOTH? or each?

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:05 am

There's no way we should be offering more than £30m - that's already absolute top end in my view.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:06 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:We bid 15 million for them BOTH? or each?

£25 million for the pair apparently a few weeks ago - now being reported that we'll go up to 30 but they want 40.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:06 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:We bid 15 million for them BOTH? or each?

£25 million for the pair apparently a few weeks ago - now being reported that we'll go up to 30 but they want 40.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:08 am

We'll get 'em for 35.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:11 am

It's weird really because, it seems really low, but taking into account the need for West Brom to sell, and Dawson having a year (I think) left, it sort of makes sense, 12.5 million each is a decent whack, but I guess in today's market it's nothing. If they are our main targets then spending 35 (or rising to 40 with add ons) would be acceptable, if we are then to spend another 6-8 million on another squad player.

Suppose we will see how it all unfolds.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:14 am

Let them stew in their own juices. They are rapidly becoming as bad as Forest to deal with.

Arrogant tossers, I hope they are stuck with the pair of them for the duration of their contracts
and that the expense of doing so cripples them financially. It won't happen unfortunately, as there
is always some mug who will pay over the odds. Good luck to them I say.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:15 am

I'm certainly not convinced that's the end of the story. It's pretty clear they are our main targets and I think there is some negotiating still to be done. Time will tell of course but, as I wrote in the article, I think both will move on from West Brom.

JPS71 · Post by **JPS71** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:17 am

Offer 30 mill plus Wells if they wont take it move on elsewhere

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:23 am

CT
Why do you literally copy somebody else's thread just to get your own name up in the lights
And then you delete suggestions that this copy of the same subject should be taken down

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:25 am

jojomk1 wrote:CT
Why do you literally copy somebody else's thread just to get your own name up in the lights
And then you delete suggestions that this copy of the same subject should be taken down

No, I run a website and sometimes have problems with ridiculous posts like this.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:26 am

JPS71 wrote:Offer 30 mill plus Wells if they wont take it move on elsewhere

I'd forgotten about that. There was a reported interest in Wells a couple of weeks ago but that seems to have died down. Maybe we'd included him in an offer at some stage.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:26 am

Seem to have touched a nerve have I ?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:28 am

jojomk1 wrote:CT
Why do you literally copy somebody else's thread just to get your own name up in the lights
And then you delete suggestions that this copy of the same subject should be taken down

You one of these people who literally use the world literally for literally no reason ?

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:32 am

ClaretTony wrote:I'd forgotten about that. There was a reported interest in Wells a couple of weeks ago but that seems to have died down. Maybe we'd included him in an offer at some stage.

don't think he'd want to be part of deal for these signings

...Wells has, this summer, expressed his desire to stay at Turf Moor and fight for his place

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:33 am

i'm confident dawson win sign for us this summer.

9thMay1987 · Post by **9thMay1987** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:33 am

I believe there is a deal to be done somewhere. As they have just sold their goalie perhaps Tom Heaton may fit into the equation?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:33 am

jojomk1 wrote:Seem to have touched a nerve have I ?

Not at all, but it is how this site has been run since it started and exactly how it was done on the previous site too. Seems more that you have little understanding.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:34 am

9thMay1987 wrote:I believe there is a deal to be done somewhere. As they have just sold their goalie perhaps Tom Heaton may fit into the equation?

I don't expect Tom to be going anywhere.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:34 am

quoonbeatz wrote:i'm confident dawson win sign for us this summer.

I still remain reasonably confident of getting both despite this report, probably Dawson more than Jay Rod.

BertiesBeehole · Post by **BertiesBeehole** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:35 am

CT has written an article with more content and context than the post. This isn’t just a forum it’s a Burnley news website. Some will never use the forum so might not have seen it.

Jeremy_Bentham · Post by **Jeremy_Bentham** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:36 am

. finds it staggering that:

1. Burnley may offer £30,000,000 for these two players
2. West Brom might actually turn it down

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:36 am

ClaretTony wrote:I don't expect Tom to be going anywhere.

Article written for Popes departure then?

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:39 am

If we have offered £30m for the pair and West Brom have turned it down, I'm very happy we're moving on to other targets.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:43 am

Bertiebeehead wrote:Article written for Popes departure then?

I haven't - right now I'm not expecting either to leave. Tom will very likely play at Aberdeen given that Pope will be late coming back in. It's an interesting one though, how do you manage two England goalkeepers in the same squad?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:48 am

West Brom have signed Sam Johnstone from United to replace Foster

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:49 am

I’m not sure what West Brom is doing wrong here, really. If the shoe was on the other foot, we would be wanting our club to hold out for what we felt was a fair price.

From what I’ve seen in the WBA forums, the fans highly rate Dawson and think he has potential to push for an England place, if played at centre half.

I’m not saying we should be paying £40m but can see why West Brom are playing hard ball.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:50 am

ClaretTony wrote:I don't expect Tom to be going anywhere.

And if he did it certainly wouldn't be to a Championship club!

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:53 am

9thMay1987 wrote:I believe there is a deal to be done somewhere. As they have just sold their goalie perhaps Tom Heaton may fit into the equation?

Signed sam johnstone from united to replace there keeper

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:57 am

Some posters are thinking back to the bad old days when we wasted money on Sordell and Juke panic signings at the end of the window.
This was a hard lesson but we will get it sorted.T BH if we get Ben Mee signed up we dont need another cb.
If Jay doesnt come its sad but not the end of the world

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:58 am

ClaretTony wrote:I haven't - right now I'm not expecting either to leave. Tom will very likely play at Aberdeen given that Pope will be late coming back in. It's an interesting one though, how do you manage two England goalkeepers in the same squad?

Personally I think the longer we stay in the world cup will help us keep him. When he is home he will be given an extended break and then I would think it would be far too close to the end of the shortened transfer window for a deal to be done

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:10 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Some posters are thinking back to the bad old days when we wasted money on Sordell and Juke panic signings at the end of the window

Those signings were early in the window, not late.

yosserhughes · Post by **yosserhughes** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:20 am

Just hope the Club have other targets and not pinning everything on getting these two from West Brom.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:26 am

jojomk1 wrote:Seem to have touched a nerve have I ?

I bet if you're working away at anything you do and an ignorant bystander tells you you're doing it wrong, you'd be more than a touch snippy.

But I can at least cure your ignorance. As has been the case for many many years, when a new article is posted on the main website, a new thread appears linking to the article with CT's name on it. As you would know if you had been paying attention.

claret10 · Post by **claret10** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:35 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Some posters are thinking back to the bad old days when we wasted money on Sordell and Juke panic signings at the end of the window.
This was a hard lesson but we will get it sorted.T BH if we get Ben Mee signed up we dont need another cb.
If Jay doesnt come its sad but not the end of the world

Yes we do! Kevin Long was relied on for too many games last season (admittedly did a lot better than I thought he would). With the added games we are hoping to have I'd be very uncomfortable with Long being anything higher than 4th choice centre back this season.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:39 am

25m is plentiful for the pair.

All of us on here are expecting tough gamessage against Aberdeen and their top transfer target is 500k. Just because we're in the premier league we shouldn't pay way over the odds.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:40 am

ClaretTony wrote:I haven't - right now I'm not expecting either to leave. Tom will very likely play at Aberdeen given that Pope will be late coming back in. It's an interesting one though, how do you manage two England goalkeepers in the same squad?

If Heaton plays against Aberdeen - and given the exceptionally high quality of his displays and the fact that he is (I'm assuming) still club captain - I don't see how Pope gets back in the team.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:40 am

Funkydrummer wrote:Let them stew in their own juices. They are rapidly becoming as bad as Forest to deal with.

Arrogant tossers, I hope they are stuck with the pair of them for the duration of their contracts
and that the expense of doing so cripples them financially. It won't happen unfortunately, as there
is always some mug who will pay over the odds. Good luck to them I say.

Odd response because they're playing hardball because the obviously don't want to sell, should they just roll over and hand us the players for free?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:40 am

Fao ClaretTony apologises for my inaccuracy but that they were a total waste of money is still a fact.
This window like anyother is full of spin and half truths.
When it shuts this August we know whos come in.Before then its all nonsense and misinformation

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:43 am

Only if you listen to people like AGENT CLARET to be fair.

You can find out easy enough with a bit of digging

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:45 am

Can't believe people are panicking about signings being in before the Aberdeen game. We should have enough in our squad to beat them with the players that finished 7th in the Premier League last season. The main aim for us as always is to stay in the league. Therefore as long as we get a couple in before the window shuts (which I'm sure we will) I'll be happy.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:50 am

Let’s not get above our station here eh
West Brom are a bigger and wealthier club than Burnley.
They don’t need to sell their best players so hardly surprising that if the players and agents are trying to force their hand that they are going to try and get top dollar.

If we were in the same position (and we often are) i’d hope we would do exactly the same.

It’s not arrogance at all - and neither party is doing a lot wrong. We are trying to get the players for a as low a price as we can and they are trying to get as high a price as possible.

Completely irrelevant as to what fans think is a “fair” price for the players - that’s very subjective and no bearing on the deal anyway.

The thing that normally brings these kind of stand offs to a head is the players. If they refuse to play (like Tarks did btw) then it gives the club a big headache. As rich as West Brom are they also need a team that can get them promoted.

The other thing about West Brom holding out is that it brings in the chance of other clubs stumping up the asking price - and when there are moneybags desperate clubs like West Ham about who seem happy to pay over the odds for everyone they sign then that seems like a pretty reasonable strategy !

For what it’s worth I think we will get at least one of them but it may be late in the window and if nobody else comes in for them.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:52 am

I just think we're calling their bluff. WBA willing come calling when no other club is willing to pay their asking price.

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:55 am

If we manage to get through to the Group stages of the Europa league we will need 2 excellent Goalkeepers. The window shuts before the last qualifier but at least we will know if we have a chance by then.

Hence I don't expect either keeper to leave in this window, unless we lose to Aberdeen.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:57 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Fao ClaretTony apologises for my inaccuracy but that they were a total waste of money is still a fact.
This window like anyother is full of spin and half truths.
When it shuts this August we know whos come in.Before then its all nonsense and misinformation

The way people still keep banging on about Jukes and Sordell is pathetic really.
SD has explained a few times the financial position of the club in that season and his priority of investing in infrastructure. We could have done what Hull did and spent £20m on strikers and still got relegated - and look at the 2 clubs now - which strategy do you think worked. We could have signed Defoe on 90k a week for 4 years like Sunderland....mmmmm ?

Name the clubs in the league who have wasted less money on transfers in the last 5 years than Burnley.
Name me a club who has a 100% successful transfer policy.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:01 am

Hope we have moved on. A back up centre half and a back up striker for that portion of our overall budget is awful.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:03 am

West Brom are a wealthier club than us ?

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:05 am

KRBFC wrote:Odd response because they're playing hardball because the obviously don't want to sell, should they just roll over and hand us the players for free?

That would be brilliant, to be fair.

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:11 am

Two very good footballers but they are not of the quality to significantly improve on our current squad.

IMHO we need a couple of imaginative/creative players who can add that little bit of 'magic and unpredictability' to our play. Not cheap, difficult to find, yes, but they are out there and we should keep looking.