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Missed opportunity?

Post by Japebe43 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:34 pm

NO..

This is one of the least talented and youthful england sides possibly ever, and they've done wonderfully well.

PROUD.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:37 pm

I don’t think they are mutually exclusive.
We put ourselves in control and blew it
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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by Japebe43 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:40 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I don’t think they are mutually exclusive.
We put ourselves in control and blew it
Chin up mate. A young side is bound to have some inconsistency.. Even with a 90 minute performance(or 120)

Experience won the day.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:42 pm

Least talented I agree, weakest group of players on paper we've had in a while but least youthful? not sure how you work that out.
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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by lrac » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:43 pm

And the experts on TV .you have to laugh sometimes.well done England .best I have seen for years

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by Japebe43 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:44 pm

KRBFC wrote:Least talented I agree, weakest group of players on paper we've had in a while but least youthful? not sure how you work that out.
MOST youthful..

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by starting_11 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:45 pm

Tunisia. Panama. Belgium. Colombia. Croatia.

Would you put ANY them on a list of the Worlds best 5 teams?

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:45 pm

Japebe43 wrote:MOST youthful..
Ah my bad, read it wrong.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by TVC15 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:Least talented I agree, weakest group of players on paper we've had in a while but least youthful? not sure how you work that out.
He didn’t say least youthful
If you are going to comment on someone’s post at least read it first

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:46 pm

starting_11 wrote:Tunisia. Panama. Belgium. Colombia. Croatia.

Would you put ANY them on a list of the Worlds best 5 teams?
Yeah, Belgium and Croatia.
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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:46 pm

TVC15 wrote:He didn’t say least youthful
If you are going to comment on someone’s post at least read it first
Stop digging for the sake of it, he already corrected me and I said ''my bad, I read it wrong''.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by Japebe43 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:47 pm

starting_11 wrote:Tunisia. Panama. Belgium. Colombia. Croatia.

Would you put ANY them on a list of the Worlds best 5 teams?
Sweden?

I can see all them proclaiming 'its coming home' are now gonna come out slagging them off.. Likely the same ones pre tournament not giving them a hope.
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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by TVC15 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:47 pm

Well done

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by starting_11 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:47 pm

Top 5?

Not before the world cup you wouldn't

Edit: I'll give you Belgium, but only based on names, not by reputation (as a team)

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by starting_11 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:49 pm

Japebe43 wrote:Sweden?
Apologies. Add sweden to the list

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:54 pm

starting_11 wrote:Top 5?

Not before the world cup you wouldn't

Edit: I'll give you Belgium, but only based on names, not by reputation (as a team)
I actually would consider Croatia a top 5 team based on names alone, I don't think you will find a better midfield in the world. Kovacic, Rakitic, Modric and Perisic are all superb and would walk into every World Cup squad.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:01 pm

starting_11 wrote:Tunisia. Panama. Belgium. Colombia. Croatia.

Would you put ANY them on a list of the Worlds best 5 teams?
Belgium are about to finish at least 4th. Croatia at least second. And sweden knocked out 2 of the last 3 winners Germany and Italy. And one of the recent finalists Holland. So yeah.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by RocketLawnChair » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:04 pm

starting_11 wrote:Tunisia. Panama. Belgium. Colombia. Croatia.

Would you put ANY them on a list of the Worlds best 5 teams?
Argies- Nigeria Iceland Croatia France

Gerry’s - South Korea Mexico Sweden

Brazil - Swiss Serbs Costa Rica Mexico Belgium

Spain- Portugal Morocco Iran Russia

Italy and Holland had the month off.

Struggling to see your point unless you are a dillusinal prick who expected us to smash everyone!!

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by starting_11 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:21 pm

NO, just expected us to "margially" beat those we played

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by starting_11 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:22 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Belgium are about to finish at least 4th. Croatia at least second. And sweden knocked out 2 of the last 3 winners Germany and Italy. And one of the recent finalists Holland. So yeah.
So what? We're about to finish (at least) 4th...

This has been a **** poor show for world football, it really has

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by starting_11 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:I actually would consider Croatia a top 5 team based on names alone, I don't think you will find a better midfield in the world. Kovacic, Rakitic, Modric and Perisic are all superb and would walk into every World Cup squad.
Bet u wasn't saying that a week ago

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:34 pm

starting_11 wrote:Bet u wasn't saying that a week ago

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Thinking about it, who would you consider the top 5? I wouldn't put England in there at all, Croatia potentially. France and Belgium have to be 2 of them, Germany? Brazil? Spain? I think the standard of International football is low right now, Spain, Holland, Italy, Argentina, Portugal, Germany and Brazil have been much better in the past. Croatia and Belgium have their strongest squads in a long time while the rest decline in quality.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by starting_11 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:37 pm

I'd have put us in the top 5.

Didn't take account the "Sean dyche" effect of caving into "slightly less than parochial teams" that he seems to be a pro of instilling in the players.

Must "of bin" what Southgate has gotten out of his time at Turf observing Sean

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:41 pm

France are as good as any team of any generation.

Kante and Pogba vs Rakitic and Modric. Has there been a final with a midfield battle of that quality before? Not in my memory.

MBappe could be as good as the original Ronaldo.

Lloris is an excellent goalkeeper.

Umtiti and Varane are top drawer.

We are witnessing something special with france's team. Lets just appreciate it.

Germany - said at start always going to fail. Nowhere near enough pace, passion or pride.

Spain - sacked manager on eve of tournament. Again never going to do anything.

Brazil - should have done better. Much better.

Belgium - outstanding eleven who failed to an even better team.

Argentina. No midfield and no defence.

Croatia - as always showed what individual genius coupled with pride, passion amd belief can achieve. Ironically of all the teams this is the one we should aim to emulate.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:50 pm

Why did we drop so deep, particularly in the first half when under no particular pressure to do so? Was it a management decision? It seemed to me that we thought it a good idea to draw them on to us and hit them with long balls...didn't work.
1-7 on shots wasn't it? You get what you deserve.
Still I think that over all we've exceded expectations.
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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:54 pm

It was an opportunity to get a final under our belts. I think either France and Belgium would have torn us apart.

What is clear to me, is that refusing to let the opposition get into your heads during a game is vital to this squads development. That squad was always most solid tearassing at the opposition, with a solid back foundation and more than a threat from set piece.

I think at time far too much emphasis has been given to containment when making the opposition panic was the way to go.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by mdd2 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:16 am

I think we were good at set pieces but think only got 3 goals from outfield play and one was a fluke deflection. In the final analysis we did better than most of us thought but failing to do better in open play cost us a final game against the the French

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by GordonvaleClaret » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:54 am

As the saying goes "There's shight at the end of the chunnel, but we won't be playing them".

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:58 am

Sideways and slow forward momemtum that encourages the opposition is only ever going to end one way

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:07 am

Sideways and slow forward momemtum that encourages the opposition to attack is only ever going to end one way

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by RocketLawnChair » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:00 am

You can say that again.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by RocketLawnChair » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:12 am

starting_11 wrote:NO, just expected us to "margially" beat those we played
In the main we did. Remember the World Cup lasts the best part of two years including qualifying and is competed for by over a hundred countries . At 7pm last night all but two of those countries would have swapped places with us.

F you think Sean Dyche and Gareth Southgate are under achievers in their field you must be an extremely rich successful powerful person in your profession.

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Re: Missed opportunity?

Post by Tribesmen » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:17 am

starting_11 wrote:Tunisia. Panama. Belgium. Colombia. Croatia.

Would you put ANY them on a list of the Worlds best 5 teams?
Belgium are a class side , but then again they beat England :lol:

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