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Harry Kane.

Post by Japebe43 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:32 am

Nowhere near shearer class.. Thoughts?

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:20 am

Shearer at what age ?

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Japebe43 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:24 am

Any age!
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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:10 am

Not sure Saxo tbh, Shearer was a good player but so is Kane but Shearer was more powerful - they both have different attributes

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Japebe43 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:12 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Not sure Saxo tbh, Shearer was a good player but so is Kane but Shearer was more powerful - they both have different attributes
Yea Kane reacts slower than a rhino to chances and turns slower than an oil tanker.. He also has the body strength of a ballerina for a big guy..

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:24 am

Japebe43 wrote:Yea Kane reacts slower than a rhino to chances and turns slower than an oil tanker.. He also has the body strength of a ballerina for a big guy..
at least he isn't a thug like Shearer was

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by gtclaret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:24 am

He must have been told by Southgate to fall over any time a player comes near him, in order to win free kicks. He can't be like this all the time.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:37 am

They are different types in many ways. Kane IS a good player and will only get better with experiences like this WC. On another note I thought he was rather poor on Wednesday night and did next to nothing, especially after he missed the chance to put us 2 up. I felt that was one reason we struggled as the game wore on.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:33 am

He`s a fantastic player but MUST have been carrying an injury from the 2nd half onwards of the Colombia game. He has been the dictionary definition of `cumbersome` ever since. Incredible that the man I think should have been pulled off at half-time against Croatia is going to win the Golden Boot. The system didn`t help him either as it did nothing for him in open play.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by piston broke » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:38 am

Needs to move on to a winning club. Another Spurs bottler.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by houseboy » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:45 am

Interesting to see some of the comments on here because I thought I was alone in thinking he is a tad over-rated. He didn't impress me over-much at the WC and if he wins the Golden Boot it will be on 50% penalties. To be honest after we scored against Croatia we never really looked like scoring again and certainly not after half time. After we went behind I felt certain we were out. I don't know what happened at the HT team talk but it didn't work. Kane is a good player but despite 6 goals he wasn't at his best at all.

Just read this back and the phrase 'He didn't impress me over-much at the WC ' looks a bit dodgy, I haven't seen him in the toilets.....honest.
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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:58 am

I felt that Kane having a poor match overall and Trippier seemingly struggling physically after half time made the result on Wednesday increasingly inevitable. I was always hoping, but ultimately not surprised.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by karatekid » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:15 am

There should have been more squad rotation. Rashford and vardy should have got more game time along with Rose. Young lads in their first tournament did very well but just burnt out at the end.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by chekhov » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:19 am

gtclaret wrote:He must have been told by Southgate to fall over any time a player comes near him, in order to win free kicks. He can't be like this all the time.
I really hate this "attribute" in a player. If he stayed on his feet he'd be able to demonstrate his strength, physique and persistence. PLUS he'd have a lot more integrity. I think if you are always looking for the foul rather than trying to get past your man, you're going to be a lesser player than you might otherwsie. That's my theory.
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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Spijed » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:22 am

chekhov wrote:I really hate this "attribute" in a player. If he stayed on his feet he'd be able to demonstrate his strength, physique and persistence. PLUS he'd have a lot more integrity. I think if you are always looking for the foul rather than trying to get past your man, you're going to be a lesser player than you might otherwsie. That's my theory.
I suppose there is also the argument that you are more likely to score from a penalty than if you are around the edge of the box. Perhaps that's why Sterling and Vardy always look to go down at the slightest contact.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:23 am

Kane is more like a lineker in that if he doesnt score he offers not much else. And his goals to chances ratio isnt as good as most top strikers (see his double miss Weds as evidence).

That said it wouod be foolish of anyone to bring off your top scorer who is your biggest goal threat. If Southgate brought him off amd we missed a penalty or lost on penalties he would have been slaughtered. You have to leave kane on even when he is having a bad game just im case. Tunisia was the prime example.

He will score more goals than Shearer. But I think Shearer offered more to the team.

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Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:24 am

karatekid wrote:There should have been more squad rotation. Rashford and vardy should have got more game time along with Rose. Young lads in their first tournament did very well but just burnt out at the end.
I sort of agree, but actually felt hat when Vardy was on the pitch in any match he looked out of this depth and was extremely ineffective. (imo) Rashford should definitely have had more time.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:25 am

chekhov wrote:I really hate this "attribute" in a player. If he stayed on his feet he'd be able to demonstrate his strength, physique and persistence. PLUS he'd have a lot more integrity. I think if you are always looking for the foul rather than trying to get past your man, you're going to be a lesser player than you might otherwsie. That's my theory.
Do you have the same theory about Ashley Barnes?

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Post by NottsClaret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:26 am

He's a really poor 30 goal a season striker, who looked like an adult playing against kids at the Turf.
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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by houseboy » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:37 am

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:37 am

NottsClaret wrote:He's a really poor 30 goal a season striker, who looked like an adult playing against kids at the Turf.
And he will probably do it again this season,some people do talk shite. :lol:
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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:41 am

NottsClaret wrote:He's a really poor 30 goal a season striker, who looked like an adult playing against kids at the Turf.
I totally agree and he really is a great player, but I did feel he had a poor game Wednesday, which MIGHT be as much about the service that night as about him.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by chekhov » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:51 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Do you have the same theory about Ashley Barnes?
Yes! And I think he demeans himself as a player by going down so easily.
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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by piston broke » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:29 am

chekhov wrote:Yes! And I think he demeans himself as a player by going down so easily.
Modern football, sadly, Chekhov. As long as the majority of goals come from deadballs it will continue. They are also glaring at the ref to get the card out. Shocking.

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Post by DustyBawls » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:55 am

NottsClaret wrote:He's a really poor 30 goal a season striker, who looked like an adult playing against kids at the Turf.
This. Some people really talk rubbish on here.

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Post by gtclaret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:19 pm

The point about Harry Jane, is that falling over was his Only outfield contribution, Ashley has more than that. As I said he cannot be like this all the time. He looked awful in the World Cup

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Post by Guich » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:25 pm

But he's never played for Blackburn and isn't as dull as dishwater.

So I think he's better than Shearer :)

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Post by DustyBawls » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:30 pm

gtclaret wrote:The point about Harry Jane, is that falling over was his Only outfield contribution, Ashley has more than that. As I said he cannot be like this all the time. He looked awful in the World Cup
You can't have seen him much for Spurs then. His game is pretty much looking out of it but popping up with goals when he looks invisible from the game. Plus, the service provided to him during this World Cup wasn't the best, apart from set pieces.

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Longsidelenny » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:38 pm

Good goal scorer but very slow I have seen milk turn quicker not a patch on shearer

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by Longside4evr » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:43 pm

I remember the praise our manager gave him after the game with Spurs at TM
His movement and awareness is fantastic
But seems to be a bit of a flop in August carnt score early season
But we nearly had him on loan his career as a top player is only about 3 seasons old
Wouldn't mined having him leading the line for us that's for sure

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:56 pm

gtclaret wrote:The point about Harry Jane, is that falling over was his Only outfield contribution, Ashley has more than that. As I said he cannot be like this all the time. He looked awful in the World Cup
Come on really?

Ashley Barnes offers more than Harry Kane? 30 goals a season 3 years running, Englands top scorer at a world cup since day 1986 and will probably be our record scorer ever.

He is a phenomenal player. He does drift out of games no question. But many top strikers do. Most games he will pop up with a vital goal.

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Post by ecc » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:19 pm

In all honesty he's the highest goalscorer in WC thus far based on three penalties and no goals from open play in the three knockout phase. It's a bit misleading IMHO.

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Post by Dyched » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:25 pm

ecc wrote:In all honesty he's the highest goalscorer in WC thus far based on three penalties and no goals from open play in the three knockout phase. It's a bit misleading IMHO.
Maybe so but it’s not like he missed a load of chances. Plus penalties still count as goals. Clearly wasn’t 100% fit throughout. The worrying thing is that he picks up a few niggling injuries. He carries his clubs expectations as well as Englands. He’ll be ****** by 28.

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Post by gtclaret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:36 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Come on really?

Ashley Barnes offers more than Harry Kane? 30 goals a season 3 years running, Englands top scorer at a world cup since day 1986 and will probably be our record scorer ever.

He is a phenomenal player. He does drift out of games no question. But many top strikers do. Most games he will pop up with a vital goal.
I was talking about hi performance in the World Cup. I said he can't be like this all the time. He would never score 30 goals a year playing like that. Also at Spurs he plays with players of much higher quality, as does Stirling.

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Post by Spijed » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:41 pm

gtclaret wrote:Also at Spurs he plays with players of much higher quality, as does Stirling.
Aside from Pickford and Maguire all the other players play for teams at least as good as Spurs.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:01 pm

gtclaret wrote:I was talking about hi performance in the World Cup. I said he can't be like this all the time. He would never score 30 goals a year playing like that. Also at Spurs he plays with players of much higher quality, as does Stirling.
He has scored 6 goals in 6 games. So that suggests he would score 30 a year playing like that.

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Post by ashtonlongsider » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:29 pm

I certainly wouldn't have had him as Captain. That distinction should have gone to Henderson.

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Post by tiger76 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:29 pm

He'll be going home with the golden boot,but when it really counted,quarter final onwards he offered little,most people rightly or wrongly will remember his miss against croatia,which ultimately proved pivotal.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:41 pm

Some things never change.

We get to a world cup semi for first time in 28 years and only 3rd time ever.

Progress further than the south american champions, european champions and further than anyone (france aside and now croatia) who has reached a final since 1966.

Have the golden boot winner.

And some moan.

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Post by piston broke » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:41 pm

gtclaret wrote:The point about Harry Jane, is that falling over was his Only outfield contribution, Ashley has more than that. As I said he cannot be like this all the time. He looked awful in the World Cup
Short term memory pal. He was excellent the first two and half matches he played even if his goals were pens, fluke and tap in with 1 wonderful header but he did go off and we’ll never know why.

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Post by boyyanno » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:58 pm

Kane is a quality player, not sure we will see another English striker like Shearer though. I remember Shearer scoring in a friendly for England, I think Sheringham assisted it and he had nearly a third of the pitch to run into but instead chose to slam it in the top corner from miles out. Just the audacity and confidence that he could slam one in from 30 yards amazed me.

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Post by gtclaret » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:25 pm

piston broke wrote:Short term memory pal. He was excellent the first two and half matches he played even if his goals were pens, fluke and tap in with 1 wonderful header but he did go off and we’ll never know why.
That answered the point about his goal rally, if we played against Tunisia and Panama all the time, I am sure he would score goals. The quality of the Premji League is propt up by overseas talent whose first touch and technical quality is superior.. This is the case with the England players who look a lot better playing along side these players. With regard to Kane World Cup performance, I don't know if he was just following instructions, injured or just rank bad. I do not see his spurs performance, he must be better than that, just for the record, he was not excellent the first two games, it was just better than the following games

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:25 pm

premier league, good player with decent service from the likes of tripps, at international level, he looked sluggish, knackered half the time, and nowhere near the world class tag some have pinned on him.He offered nothing against croatia.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:26 pm

boyyanno wrote:Kane is a quality player, not sure we will see another English striker like Shearer though. I remember Shearer scoring in a friendly for England, I think Sheringham assisted it and he had nearly a third of the pitch to run into but instead chose to slam it in the top corner from miles out. Just the audacity and confidence that he could slam one in from 30 yards amazed me.
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Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:55 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Some things never change.

We get to a world cup semi for first time in 28 years and only 3rd time ever.

Progress further than the south american champions, european champions and further than anyone (france aside and now croatia) who has reached a final since 1966.

Have the golden boot winner.

And some moan.
It’s obvious some just enjoy being controversial, it makes them feel important for a few hours.

He’s about 24, he has years of improving yet before it’s fair to compare the two

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Re: Harry Kane.

Post by ecc » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:01 pm

In all honesty he's the highest goalscorer in WC thus far based on three penalties and no goals from open play in the three knockout phase. It's a bit misleading IMHO.

Sorry but if another player took the penalties for England Kane would have scored three goals.

Graham Alexander scored 107 League goals but he wasn't in his respective teams to score goals.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:16 pm

ecc wrote:
Sorry but if another player took the penalties for England Kane would have scored three goals.

Graham Alexander scored 107 League goals but he wasn't in his respective teams to score goals.
And England may have been 3 goals worse off.

Even Messi and Ronaldo failed from the spot this world cup

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Post by DustyBawls » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:26 pm

ecc wrote:In all honesty he's the highest goalscorer in WC thus far based on three penalties and no goals from open play in the three knockout phase. It's a bit misleading IMHO.

Sorry but if another player took the penalties for England Kane would have scored three goals.

Graham Alexander scored 107 League goals but he wasn't in his respective teams to score goals.
It isn't misleading. He stepped and scored 3 penalties. Like what many forwards do throughout their careers.

You could easily flip the coin and say had he had more service, he'd have had 10 goals. You would say, "But he didn't". I can say, "But he still scored the penalties offered to him".

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Post by Japebe43 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:55 pm

I'm of a firm belief Kane's goalscoring will slow down. He ain't that good. I knew that before the world cup too.

I will acknowledge he's still currently England's best option upfront though.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:19 am

Japebe43 wrote:I'm of a firm belief Kane's goalscoring will slow down. He ain't that good. I knew that before the world cup too.

I will acknowledge he's still currently England's best option upfront though.
I will betbyou any amount of monry he will score 1 in 2 minimum for the next 3 years.

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