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Sam clucas

Postby D8BFC » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:09 pm

Nixon reporting we are in for him at 12m

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:11 pm

He's a good player. The problem is, there are some clubs who will just spend money that they don't have, so we'll have competition.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby KRBFC » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:12 pm

D8BFC wrote:Nixon reporting we are in for him at 12m

Where did he say this? Screenshots?

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby CFS » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:12 pm

Yes please

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Japebe43 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:13 pm

More realistic.. But do you need another midfielder?

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby D8BFC » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:13 pm

It’s in the sun

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:14 pm

Japebe43 wrote:More realistic.. But do you need another midfielder?


You always need a player if they're better than the weakest in that position.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Wokingclaret » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:16 pm

A blast from a previous window

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Japebe43 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:16 pm

DustyBawls wrote:You always need a player if they're better than the weakest in that position.


Poor Jeff Hendrick! :(

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby colne-claret » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:29 pm

Offers good flexibility across the midfield. Can play in various positions. An upgraded Arfield I would say.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Slurpy » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:29 pm

Makes sense. Can play two positions. The Ginger Arfield.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:30 pm

Maybe pessimistic but would he even get a game for burnley?
Can’t think of any position he would start for Burnley

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby bodge » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:32 pm

This one makes sense, we're short of left sided players and should he be selected would add balance to the midfield area, big unit to boot.

Hope there's something in this one.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby jedi_master » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:37 pm

Not certain he’s better than any of our first choice central midfielders, can play on the left as a more conservative and narrow ‘wide’ left, but again, wouldn’t get in ahead of Brady.

Offers good competition though, and would be a replacement for Arfield in that dual role/cover position. Not something that sets my pulses Racing but it makes obvious sense and Dyche clearly rates him after trying for him last summer too.

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Re: Sam clucas

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Wokingclaret » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:40 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44184959

Will miss the start of the season

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:49 pm

A nice time to go in and buy him then - less competition.

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Re: Sam clucas

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby SGr » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:19 am

I’m not particularly happy about that but what I will try and force a positive: if we can spend £12m on a backup player we can spend £20m on someone that would actually improve the first team.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Japebe43 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:20 am

SGr wrote:I’m not particularly happy about that but what I will try and force a positive: if we can spend £12m on a backup player we can spend £20m on someone that would actually improve the first team.


What makes you believe he would be a back up?

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby SGr » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:28 am

Japebe43 wrote:What makes you believe he would be a back up?


Who’s he replacing then? And in what system?

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Tuddybfc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:31 am

Speaking to a Hull fan, he’s apparently poor out wide and is naturally a CM, which I would say is our strongest area of the pitch. Not to mention that he’s injured for the start of the championship season (so would be unavailable for the Europa league QRs 2 and 3 minimum, where we may also be missing JBG and Brady wide), and out wide will be no drastic improvement on Arfield despite the 12m fee and increased wages from those of Arfield.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Japebe43 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:33 am

SGr wrote:Who’s he replacing then? And in what system?


Not a clue.. I'm a rovers fan.. You'll have to have that discussion with one of your own..

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby SGr » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:35 am

Japebe43 wrote:Not a clue.. I'm a rovers fan.. You'll have to have that discussion with one of your own..


Would that be the discussion you basically initiated at half past midnight on the Burnley forum :lol:

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Japebe43 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:37 am

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Japebe43 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:40 am

SGr wrote:Would that be the discussion you basically initiated at half past midnight on the Burnley forum :lol:


I'm interested in the discussion, but I can't offer any great insight unfortunately.

What I will say is I doubt a club renowned for being careful financially would spend 12m on a sub.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:41 am

Tuddybfc wrote:Speaking to a Hull fan, he’s apparently poor out wide and is naturally a CM, which I would say is our strongest area of the pitch.


It doesn't matter where our strongest area of the pitch is.

If we improve what we have, we improve what we have. I've got a good idea that Burnley can't route what direction we improve our team in. We can't suddenly decide not to bother improving position X because we haven't yet improved position Y. It doesn't work like that with us. We improve what we can improve.

Plus, Hendrick hardly lit up the Premier league 'in the hole' did he. And Defour clearly has an ongoing injury concern. We aren't that good to think, "I know - let's not bother upgrading this position and instead wait until we can upgrade that one".
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Re: Sam clucas

Postby SGr » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:41 am

Japebe43 wrote:I'm interested in the discussion, but I can't offer any great insight unfortunately.


That is fair enough. My opinions are it’s a bad idea - £12m for someone who wouldn’t displace Cork, Defour, either of our wingers, and isn’t a number 10. Regardless of where we finished last season, I’m still highly critical of our recruitment strategy - he turns 28 soon (so zero sell on potential).

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Tuddybfc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:48 am

DustyBawls wrote:It doesn't matter where our strongest area of the pitch is.

If we improve what we have, we improve what we have. I've got a good idea that Burnley can't route what direction we improve our team in. We can't suddenly decide not to bother improving position X because we haven't yet improved position Y. It doesn't work like that with us. We improve what we can improve.

Plus, Hendrick hardly lit up the Premier league 'in the hole' did he. And Defour clearly has an ongoing injury concern. We aren't that good to think, "I know - let's not bother upgrading this position and instead wait until we can upgrade that one".


Clucas is a defensive midfielder so will not be solving our in the hole issue. I think considering we seem to struggle to get deals over the line we should be concentrating on strengthening the areas we most need to, rather than having 3 central midfielders sat on the bench but being 1 or 2 injuries off Taylor at centre back or Hendrick on the wing for instance.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:59 am

Tuddybfc wrote:I think considering we seem to struggle to get deals over the line we should be concentrating on strengthening the areas we most need to, rather than having 3 central midfielders sat on the bench but being 1 or 2 injuries off Taylor at centre back or Hendrick on the wing for instance.


But this is where I don't think you're understanding how the football world works.

We CAN go for multiple players at the same time. It sounds to me like you think if we go for player A, we can't go for player B, because everybody is too busy to deal with both. It doesn't work like that.

There is no 'let's concetrate on player X' - I don't know where some fans get that idea from.

We could sign 3 players at the same time if we really wanted to. We put bids in and go for multiple players at the same time. A club only prioritize due to funds - because they can't afford to buy player X and Y at the same time. I'm pretty confident that is not the case with us.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby mdd2 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:05 am

We need to be tying down not only Mee but Hendricks and Vokes all of whom are OOC in a summer of 2019 or sell them on now aswellasgetting replacements in forArfield Marney and the lad from Spurs
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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:10 am

mdd2 wrote:We need to be tying down not only Mee but Hendricks and Vokes all of whom are OOC in a summer of 2019 or sell them on now aswellasgetting replacements in forArfield Marney and the lad from Spurs


Like many of us, I have an idea of how Dyche operates. And I don't think he likes to push any player into a new contract. In a way, it's almost saying, "If you aren't committed, then I won't be begging you to sign a new contract". Which I think is absolutely spot on. If they don't really want to stay, let them move on.

Southgate has shown what a team spirit can do. You want every player singing from the same sheet. If they aren't - let them move on to pastures new.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Tuddybfc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:28 am

DustyBawls wrote:But this is where I don't think you're understanding how the football world works.

We CAN go for multiple players at the same time. It sounds to me like you think if we go for player A, we can't go for player B, because everybody is too busy to deal with both. It doesn't work like that.

There is no 'let's concetrate on player X' - I don't know where some fans get that idea from.

We could sign 3 players at the same time if we really wanted to. We put bids in and go for multiple players at the same time. A club only prioritize due to funds - because they can't afford to buy player X and Y at the same time. I'm pretty confident that is not the case with us.


Fans get this idea because it really seems that how it is at Burnley. It’s baffling also for a club that is so financially cautious (and rightly so) that we persist on shopping in the championship, which is the worst value for money league in the world
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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:37 am

Tuddybfc wrote:Fans get this idea because it really seems that how it is at Burnley. It’s baffling also for a club that is so financially cautious (and rightly so) that we persist on shopping in the championship, which is the worst value for money league in the world


I think you have to consider the competition in the market. Teams like Man City get pretty much whoever they want. If a top 6 side are interested - forget it. We aint getting that player.

But you then have clubs who can't manage their club correctly and so have to gamble and buy players they can't even afford - such as West Ham. They let their debt stack up, where they pay it off at a later date. So while we have no debt, it's not necessarily an advantage in the transfer market because other clubs know it doesn't really matter.

I think we're doing pretty much spot on. We aren't spending stupid money and we know, if we don't sign player A, that player B will be available around the corner... and - let's be fair, we aren't actually desperate for any player. We came 7th without the likes of Defour and Brady who will return for either the new season or not long after. So it's not like we're desperate to sign a player. So that means we don't have to be held to ransom over a player. We have the Europa and if we're still in it come January? We can make some signings then.

I think we will sign 1 maybe 2 players, but it's not mandatory.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby mdd2 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:45 am

Given the present squad size we will need at least 3 in and maybe more if we ship any out and if none come in we will be playing in 4 competitions with a dangerously small squad even if we are only in Europe for a few games

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:47 am

mdd2 wrote:Given the present squad size we will need at least 3 in and maybe more if we ship any out and if none come in we will be playing in 4 competitions with a dangerously small squad even if we are only in Europe for a few games


Where would you improve, if you were the boss?

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby mdd2 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:51 am

One thing you wouldn't want is me as the boss but I do think we need some pace in midfield and up front as well as a cb

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:56 am

mdd2 wrote:One thing you wouldn't want is me as the boss but I do think we need some pace in midfield and up front as well as a cb


The thing is, pace costs. Big time. Pace in a central defender is rare so I wouldn't hold out much hope for that.

But with Brady and Defour back (probs a few games into the season), are we desperate for anybody? I don't think we are, so it goes back to transfers. We don't need to rush any transfer. We aren't desperate for a player.

When was the last time you could really say that as a Burnley fan?

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Vegas Claret » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:04 am

DustyBawls wrote:The thing is, pace costs. Big time. Pace in a central defender is rare so I wouldn't hold out much hope for that.

But with Brady and Defour back (probs a few games into the season), are we desperate for anybody? I don't think we are, so it goes back to transfers. We don't need to rush any transfer. We aren't desperate for a player.

When was the last time you could really say that as a Burnley fan?


Out of interest, how much would you expect a team that finished 7th in the biggest league in the world to pay for pace ?

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby DustyBawls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:15 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Out of interest, how much would you expect a team that finished 7th in the biggest league in the world to pay for pace ?


You might want to read the thread again.

I'm replying to somebody by saying pace costs. As in - it's not realistic. NOT, that it's something we can easily bring in.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:28 am

I’ve got phone calls scheduled with my mates who happen to be Hull and Swansea season ticket holders after they’ve eaten their Sunday roasts today.

That should give us all a clue to how good he is, what his best position is and what formation Dyche will play to accomadate him.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:48 am

No surprise with this one given we tried very hard to get him here last summer before he opted for Swansea.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Dodobdobodobo » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:10 am

Would be a better option than Aaron. Thought he was poor at the end of the season.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Grumps » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:12 am

The article says we're pushing it through for the European games, yet reports say he's injured and wouldn't feature anyway?

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby wilks_bfc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:23 am

2 relegations in 2 seasons?

Hope he doesn’t get a “hat trick” :shock:

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Long Time Lurker » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:38 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:I’ve got phone calls scheduled with my mates who happen to be Hull and Swansea season ticket holders after they’ve eaten their Sunday roasts today.

That should give us all a clue to how good he is, what his best position is and what formation Dyche will play to accomadate him.


My speculative guess is your Hull mate will say that he isn't much of a winger and he is far better in central midfield.

Your Swansea mate will say he isn't very good in central midfield, he plays better on the wing.

And both of them will agree that he isn't really cut out to be a defensive midfielder or an attacking midfielder.

I would say that he is a jack of all trades and a master of none. He is a competent central midfielder and an average winger. Pushed further I would say that he is a mid level or upper level Championship player who has successfully masqueraded as a lower level EPL player for two seasons in under performing teams.

How has he done that?

It's because he has moved so frequently. He joins a new team and nobody is quite sure what his best position is so they spend a year or so shifting him around between DM, CM, LM and LW. At the end of the experiment they realise that the variances in his performances at CM and LW have more to do with the contributions being made by the players around him and the framework. So he looks better or worse in one position at one club and better or worse in another position at another club. They nail down their strongest players in each position and slot him into the position that is left.

And then they sell him so another club can repeat the experiment all over again.

His best quality seems to be his flexibility, but he would probably be a bench player here. I can't see what he would offer us in regard to central midfield with Defour, Cork, Westwood and Hendrick all being better options. In respect to the left wing I think we could do better for the money.

Swansea paid £16.5m for him which is way over what he is worth. We had a much better idea with our initial bid of £5m last year and £10m would have been too much.

I would prefer someone that could deputise for Jeff in the no 10 role and do a job in central midfield if we are pushed, along with a specialist left winger. If we are looking for flexibility down the left side of the pitch Joe Bryan looked okay, especially when you take into account the current injury status of Clucas and the fact that he probably won't be up to playing speed before September.

I wasn't that fussed when we missed out on him last year and I wouldn't be that fussed if we missed out on him again. He would be a competent make up the numbers player and not much more. With his well publicised aversion to negative social media comments about his ability and performances I also have some doubts about his mental fortitude. He seems a little delicate in that regard.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Lancasterclaret » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:42 am

He's a good player, and we wanted him last summer.

The competition for his signature shouldn't be as fierce this time as well.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby CaptJohn » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:55 am

My opinion is that he would be a very good acquisition to our squad. He's that classic utility player who can do a job almost anywhere. (For those of us who are old enough think along the lines of Arthur Bellamy and what a good player he was. God rest his soul) I'd be very happy to have him.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby RocketLawnChair » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:57 am

DustyBawls wrote:The thing is, pace costs. Big time. Pace in a central defender is rare so I wouldn't hold out much hope for that.

But with Brady and Defour back (probs a few games into the season), are we desperate for anybody? I don't think we are, so it goes back to transfers. We don't need to rush any transfer. We aren't desperate for a player.

When was the last time you could really say that as a Burnley fan?


I’m as prudent as they come. But you keep mentioning Brady and Defour will be back that’s fair enough, our squad is nowhere near big enough to cope with injuries and possible suspensions between August 9th and the beginning of January.

You can’t guarantee any signing will work but likewise you can’t guarantee everyone will stay injury free. We are short on numbers and I reckon Sean Dyche would agree with that sentiment.

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Re: Sam clucas

Postby Murger » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:00 am

Don't think I've seen him have a good game. Looks to be a grafter with zero skill. He's not an upgrade on what we have.


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