Murger wrote:Don't think I've seen him have a good game. Looks to be a grafter with zero skill. He's not an upgrade on what we have.
How many games have you seen him play?
Murger wrote:Don't think I've seen him have a good game. Looks to be a grafter with zero skill. He's not an upgrade on what we have.
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:How many games have you seen him play?
Murger wrote:Well I'm guessing Hull and Swansea appeared on telly a fair amount of times.
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Not really answering my question. You said you’ve never seen him have a good game so just wondered how many times you have watched him? Or are you just guessing he’s never had a good game?
Hedontplayforyou wrote:Here come the handbags at last
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Not really answering my question. You said you’ve never seen him have a good game so just wondered how many times you have watched him? Or are you just guessing he’s never had a good game?
Murger wrote:So you want me remember how many times I've watched Hull and Swansea on tv?
Lancasterclaret wrote:He's a good player, and we wanted him last summer.
The competition for his signature shouldn't be as fierce this time as well.
Long Time Lurker wrote:We wanted Assombalonga last summer who went to Middlesborough and lit up the Championship. We missed out and got Wood instead.
At £12m I suspect the competition for his signature will be non existant.
I would agree with the assessment that he has the potential makings of Arfield Mk2, but slightly younger and a lot more expensive. He would also be another one to swell our ever growing 28-30 year old ranks.
Ki was the best midfielder at Swansea last season and Newcastle picked him up on a free.
jedi_master wrote:Is 15 goals in 44 games (for a cost of £15m) ‘lighting up’ a division?
Murger wrote:So you want me remember how many times I've watched Hull and Swansea on tv?
jedi_master wrote:Is 15 goals in 44 games (for a cost of £15m) ‘lighting up’ a division?
MDWat wrote:Wouldn’t mind Clucas. He’s an upgrade on Arfield and can play both wide left and in the centre.
My main reservation is signing someone injured. We did that with Wells last season and that didn’t turn out well.
If Clucas, Dawson and Rodriguez are the sum of our transfer business you’d think we’ve added a lot of Premier League experience but it’s not very exciting. For £50m or so, too.
Paddy1882 wrote:If we are going to spend £12m on a player then there is no way he is going to be a “squad player” IMO especially under dyche. Personally think that means he’s our back up for Jay Rod
claretspice wrote:Not sure how you can reach that conclusion when one is broadly speaking, a centre forward - albeit one who can drop deep - and one is a midfielder.
I mean its possible, but its one hell of a leap without hard evidence.
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Really underwhelming signing if it happens. A ridiculous amount of money for a player that scored 3 goals last season.
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Really underwhelming signing if it happens. A ridiculous amount of money for a player that scored 3 goals last season.
SGr wrote:Hope Swansea reject it, but from what their fans are saying they’d be more than happy with it. Bang average player, championship level. We insist on shopping in that overpriced league but refuse to go for the BEST players in it.
Jay Rod, Dawson, Clucas are all players we’ve tried and failed to sign before - and they’re all squad players. Just move on ffs. There’s a fire sale at Villa with Grealish available - would be class signing with actual sell on potential and would improve the first team.
Steve1956 wrote:We have no chance of signing him...no chance...
SGr wrote:What because a bigger team has been linked?we’d be the perfect fit for him
Steve1956 wrote:The fee,wages....not a prayer
SGr wrote:He’s currently on 25k a week by the looks of things. As for the fee, it’s probably just north of £20m given Villa’s desperation. Worth it.
SGr wrote:Hope Swansea reject it, but from what their fans are saying they’d be more than happy with it. Bang average player, championship level. We insist on shopping in that overpriced league but refuse to go for the BEST players in it.
Jay Rod, Dawson, Clucas are all players we’ve tried and failed to sign before - and they’re all squad players. Just move on ffs. There’s a fire sale at Villa with Grealish available - would be class signing with actual sell on potential and would improve the first team.
Braindead wrote:You mean you want us to try and sign Jack Grealish who Spurs and Liverpool are battling it out to try and sign? Righto then
claretspice wrote: Apart from anything else, Grealish doesn't really fit the way that Dyche wants Burnley to play.
Secondly, if you think the fact that Grealish might be on 25k a week at Villa is any guide to the sort of wages we'd be able to get away with paying him given the other interested parties, you're daft.
The players we've signed from the Championship in recent seasons have all, without exception, been a success (the one that might be debatable is Wells, who we of course signed from a Premier League club).
MDWat wrote:My main reservation is signing someone injured. We did that with Wells last season and that didn’t turn out well.
Long Time Lurker wrote:At £12m I suspect the competition for his signature will be non existant.
Tuddybfc wrote:I swear if we were linked with an Andre Bikey return and a bid for ‘young starlet’ Glenn Whelan some people on this board would be happy. The facts are:
• Clucas is not a natural winger, nor a natural 10, he is a central midfielder, not a position I believe we need to strengthen.
• According to Hull, he was poor out wide, so what’s the point paying 12m to play someone out of position.
• He’s 28, if we insist on signing players from the championship you’d hope it’s someone with potential and sell on value.
• It’s confusing that Burnley being so financially cautious shop in the least value for money league in the world in the championship, where prices are sky high for average players, you’ve only got to look at some foreign deals to see that.
• He’s reported injured for the start of the season, so would presumably missing Europa league qualifying rounds 2 and 3, and with JBG still on holiday and Brady not fit at present, we only have Lennon (who didn’t impress towards the end of last season) to play wide, surely we need a fit option ready for those games?
• For 12M and higher wages, is he really a substantial improvement on Arfield? He would be a better central midfielder definitely, but we need a winger, which Arfield naturally was.
DCWat wrote:I’d have been happy with Clucas as a signing last season. Not sure whether he improved or not last season, but we’re not in a massively different position this year to suggest that he wouldnt be a decent signing for us.
claretspice wrote:With the greatest of respect Tuddy, most of that just demonstrates that you don't really understand how our finances currently work.
We don't especially care about sell on value, and we'd rather pay a larger transfer fee now for someone who won't have resale value but will give us reliable, guaranteed service for a few years, than pay a lesser transfer fee for someone we've less guarantees about.
Our strategy is built around maximise the chances of a player giving us 2-3 years of excellent service, whilst keeping the wage bill manageable if we go down. And we don't let short term issues like the Europa League distract us for that. We aren't interested in potential, or promise, we're interested in assured returns. Because the financial value of each year we stay off makes a 12 million capital outlay on Clucas chicken feed in the grand scheme of things.
Its not an exciting strategy, its just a successful one. At times, we've taken our commitment to it a bit far - like when we didn't sign a centre half or wide man at the end of last summer's window. But potentially paying 12m for someone like Clucas is not an example of that. Its a prime example of the sort of signing Dyche has made his reputation on.
Tuddybfc wrote:Signings like Keane, Gray, Tarkowski, Ings, Trippier (albeit some of these didn’t turn out as well as hoped) suggest we do care about sell on value.
Tall Paul wrote:All but one of those were signed when we were a Championship club.
claretspice wrote:The difference being that we signed all of those players, except Keane, when we were in the Championship, not when we were about to go into our 3rd successive season in the Premier League and about to contend on more fronts than we ever have before. If and when we go down, the model will have to change again. But for now, we're interested in players who have the track record to come in and do a job, hitting the ground running. Mike Garlick has given about 3 different interviews this summer when he's explained our strategy and the sorts of players we go for, and why. I've pretty much summarised them above.
We might need a winger, but we also need someone who can play a particular narrow role in a 4-4-2, and who can give us another option in the centre of midfield - and who, equally importantly, will fit in with the spirit and ethos of the club. We've lost 2 central midfielders since the end of last season and so its easy to see why Dyche might regard that as a priority.
we'd all love exciting, imaginative signings of creative, attacking players who get the pulse racing. But that's not the approach that got us to where we are now, and anyone who seriously thinks we should ditch the approach that got us here and do something completely different is, I think, a little bit nuts. So it'll be the sort of players who Dyche likes, who are also the sorts of players who fit with Garlick's financial policies.
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