ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:57 am

No longer interested in signing him according to SSN

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:57 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:No longer interested according go Sky.
So from imminent to no longer interested?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:59 am

What you will get now is the ones moaning we were signing him moaning that we haven't signed him.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Reecey1987 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:41 pm

Lansbury is available villa need to get him off there wage bill

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by SGr » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:44 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Lansbury is available villa need to get him off there wage bill
Please don’t do this.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by SGr » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:47 pm

Nixon says interest isn’t completely gone, just the situation is very complicated and a few parties are “playing games”.

Can just us spending the next 3 weeks trying to unravel it. Then failing, and doing it all again in January. Jesus.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:02 pm

KRBFC wrote:The things Nixon has reported this window about us:

Interested in Clucas, first to break the news.
Interested in Mawson, first to break the news.
Interested in Dawson and Rodriguez.
Nothing in link to Joe Bryan.

Slag him all you want, he's rarely wrong when it comes to us.
He is always on the ball just people on here (click) dont like him because he was supposedly Coyles mate
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:04 pm

You are not wrong there Boysie

We've only just reached consensus that without Coyle, we wouldn't have been promoted that season and that took long enough!
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Blackrod » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:13 pm

No doubt they want 12 and we have offered 8 with adds on which they are not interested in.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Wokingclaret » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:29 pm

Blackrod wrote:No doubt they want 12 and we have offered 8 with adds on which they are not interested in.
We all knew that days ago

At this rate we will be sending out a tweet in August
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:43 pm

houseboy wrote:We have Brady, Lennon and JBG. Another one for cover maybe but a 'bloody good one'? Inferring that none of the above are 'bloody good'. We are Burnley mate, 'good' players don't come here to sit on the bench at 100k a week like they would at the big 6. A decent player will only come here for the promise of regular game time.

Its called improving season after season - city ****** the league but will still strengthen- we go on about defour and brady as world beaters but are quite bang average for a mid table premier league team.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by DustyBawls » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:52 pm

If clubs are being a pain in the backside, then have 3-4 other players to go for.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by SGr » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:20 pm

Burnley transfer window bingo must be close to completion now. Few more sh*t bids rejected, deadline day crisis and a Dyche interview bemoaning the “difficult market” and we’re there.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:25 pm

Weird clubs like huddersfield / brighton / fulham having no problem in the market.

Same old story year after year - jesus our pockets must be bloody bursting with cash - where does it bloody go
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:30 pm

SGr wrote:Burnley transfer window bingo must be close to completion now. Few more sh*t bids rejected, deadline day crisis and a Dyche interview bemoaning the “difficult market” and we’re there.
Dyche has already gave an interview, he's clearly frustrated with the ones responsible for recruitment, so that's one more crossed off the list.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:32 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Weird clubs like huddersfield / brighton / fulham having no problem in the market.

Same old story year after year - jesus our pockets must be bloody bursting with cash - where does it bloody go
Yeah Fulham snagged Seri and will probably sign Mitrovic who i'd have here, proper battering ram with excellent hold up play, I rate him.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Claretuk » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:35 pm

We are better off back in the championship with this corner shop mentality regarding transfers as its getting very embarrassing now with silly offers being made n the time it takes the recruitment department to pull their fingers out n get these deals done. We either compete n pay the inflated fees that every prem club pays or take the money n drop back into the championship with wads of cash to secure the club for the next 10 years! N what the hell is our euro scout doing as so far he has delivered naff all. Utc..
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:35 pm

to be fair Fulham and Wolves have unlimited pots of cash. We are constantly (Defour aside) let down by a laughable European scouting system.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:37 pm

Claretuk wrote:We are better off back in the championship with this corner shop mentality regarding transfers as its getting very embarrassing now with silly offers being made n the time it takes the recruitment department to pull their fingers out n get these deals done. We either compete n pay the inflated fees that every prem club pays or take the money n drop back into the championship with wads of cash to secure the club for the next 10 years! Utc..
Just remember where we finished last season then read your post back. Then tell me if you honestly think that post isn’t stupid.
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:41 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Just remember where we finished last season then read your post back. Then tell me if you honestly think that post isn’t stupid.
agree 100% Riley, I think a lot of the frustration comes from "just imagine how well Dyche could do if the club could actually go out (within reason) and buy the players he is asking for"

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:45 pm

It is almost a shame the window shuts 3 weeks early this season, we will be deprived of threads like this full of **** funny nonsense.

I am amazed some can see their screens through their tears. It is like last season with it going well has left some with built up frustration at being unable to whinge and now someone has turned on the water works. Keep up the good work.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:46 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:agree 100% Riley, I think a lot of the frustration comes from "just imagine how well Dyche could do if the club could actually go out (within reason) and buy the players he is asking for"
It doesn't seem unreasonable though, the players he wants. The prices are mind blowing but we chose to shop in that market. We have this income because of Dyche, it's all Dyche's hardwork, we made a net profit in the windows last year, we have money to spend. I've no doubt we'll get a few in though and probably end up folding to West Brom's demands in the final week of the window.

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Post by jrgbfc » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:49 pm

Best move down to the next target. Going off the last few weeks it is likely to be Henri Lansbury!

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Post by Spijed » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:50 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:We are constantly (Defour aside) let down by a laughable European scouting system.
Have you seen how many of our players play for Ireland? ;)
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by KeighleyClaret » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:52 pm

Lets be clear, nobody posting here has a clue what is actually happening. The process seems to be to make up what you think might be going on based on rumour and often ill informed speculation, then slag the club of for doing what you have decided they must be doing or failing to do.

3 weeks to Transfer Deadline yet.

Just saying.
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Paranoid » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:54 pm

Most if not all of us on this message board (there may be exceptions, but few if any) know the square root of naff all about our great club's transfer dealings or Dyche's true feelings around our policy. We can all surmise, speculate and even guess, however at present it all appears to be no more than 'paper talk, twitter twaddle and fake news', I am sure we will see incomings to supplement a team that finished 7th in the premier league last season.
Roll on the new season.
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:58 pm

KeighleyClaret wrote:Lets be clear, nobody posting here has a clue what is actually happening. The process seems to be to make up what you think might be going on based on rumour and often ill informed speculation, then slag the club of for doing what you have decided they must be doing or failing to do.

3 weeks to Transfer Deadline yet.

Just saying.
yeah, but last time I checked it's a football message board where we discuss things. Should we have one like Rovers where one person posts every few days and nobody replies ?

Only problem on here is people self combusting when someone doesn't agree with them :lol:
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:58 pm

KeighleyClaret wrote:Lets be clear, nobody posting here has a clue what is actually happening. The process seems to be to make up what you think might be going on based on rumour and often ill informed speculation, then slag the club of for doing what you have decided they must be doing or failing to do.

3 weeks to Transfer Deadline yet.

Just saying.
It's not ill informed speculation and nobody is really hammering any individual person, Dyche clearly wants Dawson, Jay Rod and Clucas, we've been in this exact position before with slow burners that don't materialise because we're apart on valuation, my point isn't digging at the club it's just i'd love to see Dyche given his top transfer targets. We'll obviously get players in but after 9 weeks of the window being open, is this turning into another Stephens/Dawson/Lansbury situation all over again? Time will tell.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Goobs » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:58 pm

SGr wrote:Burnley transfer window bingo must be close to completion now. Few more sh*t bids rejected, deadline day crisis and a Dyche interview bemoaning the “difficult market” and we’re there.
You forgot "market leaders" :lol:

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Post by kaptin1 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:30 pm

Don’t worry, if Ben Mee agrees a new deal it will be like a new signing...
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by aggi » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:30 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You are not wrong there Boysie

We've only just reached consensus that without Coyle, we wouldn't have been promoted that season and that took long enough!
Coyle, pah. It was all down to Cotterill was that promotion.

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Post by houseboy » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:44 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Its called improving season after season - city ****** the league but will still strengthen- we go on about defour and brady as world beaters but are quite bang average for a mid table premier league team.
I take your point mate but as I said we have a problem attracting good quality PL players, not just because of money (as Dyche has said we could BUY excellent players) but because we are Burnley. Two things stop us getting the top players - wages and the fact that we are possibly the last club in the PL that a player would come to given the choice because we are what we are. That's not to put us down but a fact. We are semi established now but here is a scenario:

Wolves are newly promoted and their recent record in the PL is not great but a player gets the chance to sign for them or us. Wolves have more money, far more support, are a city club and are just all round bigger. Chances are the player would also be offered more money. We finished 7th last year and can offer a player European football to boot. We can also afford to buy him as money is not really a problem in that sense.
Who would the player sign for?

I've used Wolves as an example as they are PL new boys but it could be almost any team in the PL.

There is nothing more I would like than to be wrong but we have very little chance of signing top class PL players because of who we are, no matter how well we did last season.

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Post by mdd2 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:47 pm

So it had nothing to do with signing Eagles, Patterson and Thomson? I agree VDS was little help

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Post by joey13 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:48 pm

The uk Brexit team are better negotiators than our recruitment team :o

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by aggi » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:50 pm

mdd2 wrote:So it had nothing to do with signing Eagles, Patterson and Thomson? I agree VDS was little help
It was all down to the bridge painting, everyone knows that.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:50 pm

houseboy wrote:I take your point mate but as I said we have a problem attracting good quality PL players, not just because of money (as Dyche has said we could BUY excellent players) but because we are Burnley. Two things stop us getting the top players - wages and the fact that we are possibly the last club in the PL that a player would come to given the choice because we are what we are. That's not to put us down but a fact. We are semi established now but here is a scenario:

Wolves are newly promoted and their recent record in the PL is not great but a player gets the chance to sign for them or us. Wolves have more money, far more support, are a city club and are just all round bigger. Chances are the player would also be offered more money. We finished 7th last year and can offer a player European football to boot. We can also afford to buy him as money is not really a problem in that sense.
Who would the player sign for?

I've used Wolves as an example as they are PL new boys but it could be almost any team in the PL.

There is nothing more I would like than to be wrong but we have very little chance of signing top class PL players because of who we are, no matter how well we did last season.
That's where the foreign market comes in handy, players earn significantly less so we can give them a juicy wage increase to tempt them but still be comfortably inside our boundaries, we are a PL club who finished 7th, the supposed greatest league in the world, there are players in France, Holland, Portugal leagues etc who would jump at the chance to come to England and not every PL club is fighting for the same player so we wouldn't even have to compete financially for the same player with other PL clubs. I forgot to mention the foreign market is nowhere near as inflated in comparison with the PL market.

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Post by Guich » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:58 pm

kaptin1 wrote:Don’t worry, if Ben Mee agrees a new deal it will be like a new signing...
If Ben is still here; I'd take that rather than three signings and him gone

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Post by keith1879 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:04 pm

KRBFC wrote:It's not ill informed speculation and nobody is really hammering any individual person, Dyche clearly wants Dawson, Jay Rod and Clucas, we've been in this exact position before with slow burners that don't materialise because we're apart on valuation, my point isn't digging at the club it's just i'd love to see Dyche given his top transfer targets. We'll obviously get players in but after 9 weeks of the window being open, is this turning into another Stephens/Dawson/Lansbury situation all over again? Time will tell.
Does Dyche clearly want Dawson, Jay Rod and Clucas?"

The media say he does ....the media think he does .....we'll never really know whatever happens.

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Post by DCWat » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:That's where the foreign market comes in handy, players earn significantly less so we can give them a juicy wage increase to tempt them but still be comfortably inside our boundaries, we are a PL club who finished 7th, the supposed greatest league in the world, there are players in France, Holland, Portugal leagues etc who would jump at the chance to come to England and not every PL club is fighting for the same player so we wouldn't even have to compete financially for the same player with other PL clubs. I forgot to mention the foreign market is nowhere near as inflated in comparison with the PL market.
It seems that the issue is more about being able to easily assess the character of the foreign players, to ensure that whoever is brought in doesn’t negatively affect the squad.

I agree that it’s a market that we should be doing much more in and whilst I do agree that there’s a huge importance in having the right characters, it’s also about managing those that may be a little more difficult, but bring other strengths.

It’s bloody hard to criticise Dyche, his man management and what he has delivered, but if I was a chairman recruiting from a bigger club, this might be one of the things that would put me off.

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:09 pm

keith1879 wrote:Does Dyche clearly want Dawson, Jay Rod and Clucas?"

The media say he does ....the media think he does .....we'll never really know whatever happens.
Yeah I have no inside source and I can confirm those are Dyche's targets.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by claret59 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:15 pm

I don't know where this idea that foreign players come cheap and are much better than what we can get from the UK. Liverpool are on the verge of signing a player from Italy to the tune of 60 million pounds. You only have to look at the speculation of which players are going where in relation to the top PL teams and the top teams in Europe to see that the transfer fees involved are 'on a par' with here in the UK.
There is more risk with foreign players too in the sense that they may not relish playing most of their football in an English climate of cold and wet.
Burnley are on the map now but are hardly a name that inspires compared to most clubs in the PL.
Incidentally a couple of other PL clubs have yet to sign anyone. One of them is Spurs.

Perhaps these decisions are best left to those who are employed by the Club . The constant carping by some posters is becoming boring.
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Post by Tall Paul » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:18 pm

DCWat wrote:It’s bloody hard to criticise Dyche, his man management and what he has delivered, but if I was a chairman recruiting from a bigger club, this might be one of the things that would put me off.
Good.
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Post by Pearcey » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:25 pm

Still in for him according to Nixon.

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Post by DCWat » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:26 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Good.
Fair point TP. I should have added that :)
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by jojomk1 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:38 pm

kaptin1 wrote:Don’t worry, if Ben Mee agrees a new deal it will be like a new signing...
Along with those other new signings Defour and Brady

Happy clappers unite

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:53 pm

claret59 wrote:I don't know where this idea that foreign players come cheap and are much better than what we can get from the UK. Liverpool are on the verge of signing a player from Italy to the tune of 60 million pounds. You only have to look at the speculation of which players are going where in relation to the top PL teams and the top teams in Europe to see that the transfer fees involved are 'on a par' with here in the UK.
There is more risk with foreign players too in the sense that they may not relish playing most of their football in an English climate of cold and wet.
Burnley are on the map now but are hardly a name that inspires compared to most clubs in the PL.
Incidentally a couple of other PL clubs have yet to sign anyone. One of them is Spurs.

Perhaps these decisions are best left to those who are employed by the Club . The constant carping by some posters is becoming boring.
So you bring up one example in hundreds of transfers and you chose the most expensive goalkeeper ever to make your point when we're not even shopping in the same market. It would be just as stupid for me to bring up Mahrez and Kante because you could make comparisons of young British based players who've been sold too cheap and developed well.

Why are you comparing us to other PL clubs? Why does it matter if we're a household name, we aren't directly competing with other PL clubs for every player we target. We play in the PL and pay well, more than enough to tempt players from France, Holland, Belgium, Portugal. You're either seriously underestimating how much we pay in comparison to the majority of foreign clubs or unaware a big motivation for the majority of players is money.

It's no secret the British based market is premium driven with clubs looking to squeeze every penny out of each other from the TV income. Gylfi Sigurdsson is a good example, he went from Swansea to Everton for £50M, is he a £50M player? not in a million years, he was sold at a premium because he was a major factor in Swansea staying in the league which would secure them more TV money. Looking back, it wasn't a great bit of business for Swansea (unless the player downed tools) because they took the £50M and were ultimately relegated.

Look at the TV income in England compared with everywhere else, it means English clubs can hold stern and drive a hard bargain because the PL clubs aren't desperate for cash, another reason why there's obviously a premium.

This is a Burnley football forum, for Burnley fans to discuss Burnley football news, if you don't like discussion and debate I'd highly suggest you don't bother because you won't agree with everything you read from every single poster on every single subject.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:16 am

joey13 wrote:The uk Brexit team are better negotiators than our recruitment team :o
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:18 am

Often, things are sorted but won't happen until the replacement is also lined up. Like a house chain...one link fails and there is no chain.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by mdd2 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:42 am

Swans have a £4milluon bid in for a City midfielder aged 21yr

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by HieronymousBoschHobs » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:11 am

So, money aside, I reckon outside the top six the only English clubs which may possibly be more attractive to players than us, particularly if they are coming from overseas, are probably those based in London (Palace, Fulham, West Ham, Brighton at a push). If you're on megabucks it's one of the best cities in the world to live. Outside that, you have clubs like Everton which can pay close to top dollar and have a bit of heritage, and then the 'slumbering giants' like Newcastle or Leeds, but I'm not sure whether past glories count for much nowadays.

The big midlands clubs - Wolves, West Brom, Stoke - are, if anything, less attractive than us; at least you can live in Manchester if you sign for Burnley - again, not a bad place for a wealthy young man to be.

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