ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by claretspice » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:04 pm

Duffer_ wrote:There have been many reasonable posts expressing concerns that we are paying too much for a squad player. We don't have infinite resources so it reduces our ability to improve the first team where we need it most, i.e. centre back and a different option up top.

Caricature, hyperbole and reductionism don't suit you Spice.

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Well, even amongst the more reasoned posts against Clucas (and they do exist I agree, and they're not really where I'm directing my complaint) I've not seen anyone make a credible case for why 4 midfielders is sufficient, given we often play with a midfield 3. You can make a decent argument it is more of a priority than centre forward, where we have 4 for a maximum of 2 positions at present, 3 of whom have decent Premier League goalscoring records.

But irrelevant of that, the point once again is that none of us have an idea of what the overall plan in terms of targets is, or what the overall budget is. That's really up to Dyche. If he thinks he needs a midfielder, he needs a midfielder. And once you've reached that point, all that's left is that he's a bit expensive for a squad player. Which given that £12 million is not especially expensive these days for a midfielder who has played 50 top flight games and done well enough at one point to be linked with an England call up, pretty much translates to he's a bit good for a squad player. Which is in stark contrast from the complaint last season.

Paddy1882 wrote: The managers job is to win football matches which is easier to do with reliable players and a solid formation E.G big Sam and obviously the gaffer has done a great job, but as a fan what’s wrong with wanting to be excited? I’d be very very surprised if signing Sam Clucas gets many pulses racing.
Nothing wrong with fans wanting to be excited and having their pulses set racing. But the problem is when folk become blinded by that and appear to want that to be a greater priority than maintaining the success we've had in recent years by signing the sorts of players who have given us that success.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Paddy1882 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:55 pm

Every time Burnley play I want them to win whether that’s winning 1-0 in a scrappy game or playing great stuff and blowing a team away. I just don’t think this signing if it happens will create much of a buzz of the type when we signed Defour for example, but I could of course be wrong and he could be a real top player for us which I hope he is.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:02 pm

Paddy1882 wrote:Every time Burnley play I want them to win whether that’s winning 1-0 in a scrappy game or playing great stuff and blowing a team away. I just don’t think this signing if it happens will create much of a buzz of the type when we signed Defour for example, but I could of course be wrong and he could be a real top player for us which I hope he is.
This signing wouldn’t create the same buzz as when we signed Defour however not every player we sign can be, or needs to be, as good as Defour.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Goobs » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:02 pm

Paddy1882 wrote:I admire and appreciate all the effort the team put in which has resulted in a fantastic landmark season. But In answer to your question Johan has at times and I like the old fashioned centre forward type so I’d say Barnes as well.
But at the time we were linked /signed them did they?

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:03 pm

When you see how England struggled in midfield against better teams, it tells you that you can never afford to be outgunned in this area. If Dyche feels we need Clucas, that is good enough for me.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Paddy1882 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:19 pm

Goobs wrote:But at the time we were linked /signed them did they?
To be honest no they didn’t but they’ve done well and work well as a team together so I’m not complaining, just like I’m not complaining about Burnley signing these type of players as they have been successful. Just Clucas for me and at the price being touted about isn’t something to get excited about but that’s my opinion and as is life people will disagree which is fine.
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Post by Grumps » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:44 am

The sun are reporting this morning that he will sign in the next 48 hrs, and we are pushing it through in time for the European game......... Yet is he not injured and won't play till Sept? If so it's just another example of really poor reporting

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Reecey1987 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:01 am

Grumps wrote:The sun are reporting this morning that he will sign in the next 48 hrs, and we are pushing it through in time for the European game......... Yet is he not injured and won't play till Sept? If so it's just another example of really poor reporting
Buying another injured player ? Thats why wells never got a look in because he was always playing catch up time

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Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:38 am

Reecey1987 wrote:Buying another injured player ? Thats why wells never got a look in because he was always playing catch up time
Wells never got a look in because he is not good enough even when fit

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:29 am

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but many of the criticisms aimed at us signing Clucas are an echo of those aimed at Westwood before we signed him. Didn't turn out too bad, did it?

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by LoveCurryPies » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:33 am

The title of this thread could be changed to 'No imminent move for anyone' :lol:
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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:58 am

boatshed bill wrote:Forgive me if I'm wrong, but many of the criticisms aimed at us signing Clucas are an echo of those aimed at Westwood before we signed him. Didn't turn out too bad, did it?

Not really i dont rate Westwood at all - no forward pass in him

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:12 am

The perfect example of what you are up against with some during a transfer window in the above post

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:16 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:The perfect example of what you are up against with some during a transfer window in the above post
Please explain

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Steddyman » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:05 am

Nixon hinting this is imminent

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Post by claretcarrot93 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:11 am

Steddyman wrote:Nixon hinting this is imminent
Will be announced soon, probably this afternoon

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:18 am

Media outlets reporting next 24 - 48 hours.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:38 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:Not really i dont rate Westwood at all - no forward pass in him
At Burnley you don' generally have that many forward options.

The only midfielder in the country is always goes forward is De Bruyne but I can't see him coming here.

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Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:50 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:At Burnley you don' generally have that many forward options.

The only midfielder in the country is always goes forward is De Bruyne but I can't see him coming here.
Why ??? other teams around us seem ok and strenthening ok this close season - i say around us as we will be no where near top 12 this season.

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:53 am

Will someone please take the noose from Boysie?

He'll do himself a mischief.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:06 pm

Boden has just tweeted that we have made no offers for players

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Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:11 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Boden has just tweeted that we have made no offers for players
I thought it was fairly common knowledge that we had made a bid for Dawson?

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Post by claretspice » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:13 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Boden has just tweeted that we have made no offers for players
What does an "offer" mean?

I'm pretty sure the reality is that the clubs are in virtually constant contact about a price, deal structure etc., and formal offers are made only as a formality once the deal has been essentially agreed, to record the intended terms and allow a contract to be drawn up, or (exceptionally) made to force the pace in negotiations as a bit of grandstanding (to the player, as much as anything).

So - the fact we;'ve not made a formal offer, does not mean we've not been making informal offers as part of those ongoing discussions - and I'd be flabbergasted if we hadn't made multiple informal offers/enquiries as to price so far today alone.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:16 pm

"Still told nothing imminent regarding incomings at Turf. Club have made very informal general enquiries about about number of players but no offers made"
Boden's tweet...

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Post by Tuddybfc » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:18 pm

Fairly pathetic from the club, everyone around us strengthening, clear areas we need to improve in, and the best we’ve mustered is a little chat

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Post by ksrclaret » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:19 pm

Boden saying one thing and yet the Burnley Express have written an article saying we’re close to signing Clucas.

Bizarre but not unexpected from that awful rag.

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Post by claretspice » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:21 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:"Still told nothing imminent regarding incomings at Turf. Club have made very informal general enquiries about about number of players but no offers made"
Boden's tweet...
Yes. So we're talking lots, but we've not actually got to the formal point yet. I don't think that in the slightest bit contradicts the suggestion we are close to a deal, because as I say, I'm pretty sure formal offers are not made on a routine basis during negotiations.

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Post by jedi_master » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:33 pm

Really weird how Chris Boden is saying we are absolutely nowhere with any signing on Twitter (going as far as to say all we have done at any point this summer is make a general enquiry for a few players), and yet the paper he works for has just put an article up saying Clucas deal has moved a step closer and is seemingly imminent.

You don't move a 'step closer' without making a formal offer, surely.

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Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:36 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Will someone please take the noose from Boysie?

He'll do himself a mischief.
Not really but was hoping we would be splashing out a decent number 10 this close season as we certainly need it and a bloody good wide player as well.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:37 pm

Burnley Express article now changed...

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:14 pm

To be fair, I think we have seen enough examples in recent years that Chris Boden doesn't know much more than the rest of us. I'm not having a go at him for that, I quite like him but for whatever reason he's not really got an inside track on what is and what isn't happening. I think it says more about the way we do our business than it does about Chris Boden.

Also a lot of references to Clucas being injured but so far as I can see there is only one article, from back in May to support that being the case.

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Post by mkmel » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:35 pm

Some on here are questioning why we are possibly signing Clucas while he is injured but wasn't Robbie Blake injured when we signed him?

And he didn't turn out too badly did he?

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Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:45 pm

Wells was also injured when we signed him. Just sayin'.

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Post by Spijed » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:50 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:To be fair, I think we have seen enough examples in recent years that Chris Boden doesn't know much more than the rest of us. I'm not having a go at him for that, I quite like him but for whatever reason he's not really got an inside track on what is and what isn't happening. I think it says more about the way we do our business than it does about Chris Boden.

Also a lot of references to Clucas being injured but so far as I can see there is only one article, from back in May to support that being the case.
Nicko always seems to be far more "In the know" than Chris Boden!

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Post by Grumps » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:03 pm

Both Boden and Marshall are too close to the club, and will only report what the club want them to, can you imagine the telegraph being given the access they had at Cork if they reported things the club didn't want. Both reporters have a very cushy life where Burnley football club are concerned.

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Post by claretblue » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:04 pm

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... am-clucas/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Juan Tanamera » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:19 pm

Spijed wrote:Nicko always seems to be far more "In the know" than Chris Boden!
Nicki probably throws more darts at the board.
He'll get a bullseye eventually.

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Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Whatever happened to the lad from Bristol City we were apparently very closely linked with a couple of months ago?

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Post by houseboy » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:35 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Not really but was hoping we would be splashing out a decent number 10 this close season as we certainly need it and a bloody good wide player as well.
We have Brady, Lennon and JBG. Another one for cover maybe but a 'bloody good one'? Inferring that none of the above are 'bloody good'. We are Burnley mate, 'good' players don't come here to sit on the bench at 100k a week like they would at the big 6. A decent player will only come here for the promise of regular game time.
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Post by SGr » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:46 pm

Nixon says he expects Clucas to be done. So I guess from that talks are progressing towards agreeing a fee.

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Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:56 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:Nicki probably throws more darts at the board.
He'll get a bullseye eventually.
The things Nixon has reported this window about us:

Interested in Clucas, first to break the news.
Interested in Mawson, first to break the news.
Interested in Dawson and Rodriguez.
Nothing in link to Joe Bryan.

Slag him all you want, he's rarely wrong when it comes to us.
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Post by KRBFC » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:01 pm

It's crazy how long transfer talks take, do both clubs write to each other on sticky notes and stick them to pigeons? I thought it would be a quick 30 minute chat, ''this is what we want'' ''this is what we'll pay'' ''we're quite far apart, how about this''.... 9 weeks of conversation, are clubs limited to 1 message sent per week? I think we need new broadband in the recruitment office.

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Post by SGr » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:It's crazy how long transfer talks take, do both clubs write to each other on sticky notes and stick them to pigeons? I thought it would be a quick 30 minute chat, ''this is what we want'' ''this is what we'll pay'' ''we're quite far apart, how about this''.... 9 weeks of conversation, are clubs limited to 1 message sent per week? I think we need new broadband in the recruitment office.
Remember that really brief period in 2016 when we signed Defour and nearly signed Hakim Ziyech? Refuse to believe that really was our club.

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Post by Juan Tanamera » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:10 pm

I'm interested to know where I was slagging him.
Nixon is I believe a freelance journalist and reports for national paper(s) mainly about transfer news.
So unlike Boden and Marshall he's covering more than one club, therefore if he has his finger on the pulse of say 20 clubs the chances of him getting one transfer correct are somewhat increased.
Can you see where I'm going with this?

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Post by TVC15 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:11 pm

Still think Ziyech would be a decent signing and within our price range given he is only playing in the Dutch league (think that's still where he is).
He looked good in World Cup.

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Post by taio » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:15 pm

TVC15 wrote:Still think Ziyech would be a decent signing and within our price range given he is only playing in the Dutch league (think that's still where he is).
He looked good in World Cup.
Can't see it. Out of our range and will end up at a bigger club.

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Post by IanMcL » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:20 pm

Clucas hotting up. He looks like he will be one of us by the weekend.

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Post by SGr » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:21 pm

TVC15 wrote:Still think Ziyech would be a decent signing and within our price range given he is only playing in the Dutch league (think that's still where he is).
He looked good in World Cup.
Agree. He’d be a transfer record signing easily, but worth it - he’d be a star in our side. Turned us down last time on account of wanting to play in Europe, so we could at least offer him that now :lol:

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Post by warksclaret » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:33 pm

Would appear this is ongoing but earlier SKY reports saying some sources saying £8m bid placed another saying no official bid yet

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Re: ARTICLE: No imminent move for Clucas

Post by Wokingclaret » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:41 pm

JEEEZZZ, 8 mill now, if we are going for him, please don't **** about Burnley

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