All this negativity comes from living in East Lancashire tha nose! Expect the worst and tha weern't be disappointed tha nose!.. and on and on!
Sooooo ******* boring.....get out a bit more! Take a train ride....maybe all the way to Yorkshire or Cheshire. Take a deep breath and relax............
in Dyche we trust!

KRBFC wrote:That's where the foreign market comes in handy, players earn significantly less so we can give them a juicy wage increase to tempt them but still be comfortably inside our boundaries, we are a PL club who finished 7th, the supposed greatest league in the world, there are players in France, Holland, Portugal leagues etc who would jump at the chance to come to England and not every PL club is fighting for the same player so we wouldn't even have to compete financially for the same player with other PL clubs. I forgot to mention the foreign market is nowhere near as inflated in comparison with the PL market.

Agreed. The only thing about the foreign market though is even though it isn't as inflated as ours it becomes mysteriously so as soon as someone mentions PL. Foreign clubs seem to think that every PL club is awash with money (compared to many leagues that is true) and when a PL club comes knocking the price suddenly increases. However what will be will be and hopefully sometime soon I'm going to come on here and say 'I was wrong'.

The issue with the foreign market is that players are cheaper pound-for-pound, but they are also more of a risk. Both because its harder to judge how they will adapt to the Premier League, and secondly because there's more risk of them struggling to settle/fit in to live in the North West of England (or indeed, being a generally bad egg). So yes, you might save a few quid, but it might cost you more in the long run.

We've gone gradually from targeting players who have pedigree in the Championship, to targeting players with established Premier League pedigree, so all the time we're removing elements of risk from our planning (and we've been willing to pay the premium that goes with it).

If its such a risk why are two thirds of players in the Premier League from overseas ?

claretspice wrote:The issue with the foreign market is that players are cheaper pound-for-pound, but they are also more of a risk.

If we are paying for players in line with a "pound for pound" weight formulae then Jay Rod, Dawson and Clucas all need to be put on a crash diet for the next couple of weeks. Nothing but lettuce, bean sprouts and water should bring their rumoured prices down to palatable levels.

I expected Mawson and possibly Gibson to be outside of our current price range. I suspect it would take a cucumber only meal plan to get them down below £20m and £15m respectively.

randomclaret2 wrote:If its such a risk why are two thirds of players in the Premier League from overseas ?

Probably because two thirds of those clubs directors have more money then sense.

randomclaret2 wrote:If its such a risk why are two thirds of players in the Premier League from overseas ?

Exactly. And how many are total shite and don't work out? Not that many.

randomclaret2 wrote:If its such a risk why are two thirds of players in the Premier League from overseas ?

Define overseas?
Ward, Walters, Hendrick, Long and Brady - Ireland
Gudmunson - Iceland
Defour - Belgium
Wood - New Zealand
Wells - Bermuda
Barnes - Austria
O'Neill - Australia

Maybe I am being pedantic, however when is 'overseas' clearly defined as overseas?

Steddyman wrote:Exactly. And how many are total shite and don't work out? Not that many.

Is that a joke ?
I reckon it would very easy to get to half a billion pounds of overseas flops in the last 3 years.
Starter for ten

Classen
Slimani
Lindeloff
Silva (Leicester)
Musa
Imbula
Rene Sanchis
Sandro (Everton)
Wimmer
Gabbiadini

That’s more than £200m without scratching the surface and that’s just transfer fees not wages and signing on fees.
That’s also without even looking at basket case clubs like Sunderland, West Ham etc

Steddyman wrote:Exactly. And how many are total shite and don't work out? Not that many.

Premier League signings from overseas teams last summer costing less than £25m (i.e. the market we are realistically looking at):

Elias Kachunga (Hudersfield) £1.1m
Sead Hakšabanović (West Ham) £2.7m
Laurent Depoitre (Brighton) £3.5m
Mathias Jørgensen (Huddersfield) £3.5m
Mathew Ryan (Brighton) £5m
Sandro (Everton) £5.2m
Davy Pröpper (Brighton) £6m
Henry Onyekuru (Everton) £7m
Bruno Martins Indi £7m
Juan Foyth (Spurs) £8m
Florian Lejeune (Newcastle) £8.7m
Nikola Vlašić (Everton) £10m
Vicente Iborra (Leicester) £10m
Roque Mesa (Swansea) £11m
Richarlison (Watford) £11m
Steve Mounié (Huddersfield) £11.44m
José Izquierdo (Brighton) £13.5m
Oliver Burke (WBA) £15m
Mario Lemina (Southampton) £15.4m
Javier Hernández (West Ham) £16m
Serge Aurier (Spurs) £23m
Davy Klaassen (Everton) £23.6m
Pascal Groß (Brighton) undisclosed
Nathangelo Markelo (Everton) undisclosed
Zhang Yuning (West Brom) undisclosed
Markus Suttner (Brighton) undisclosed
Douglas Luiz (Man City) undisclosed
Mathias Normann (Brighton) undisclosed
Jaïro Riedewald (Crystal Palace) undisclosed
Aleš Matějů (Brighton) undisclosed
Soufyan Ahannach (Brighton) undisclosed
Abdelhamid Sabiri (Huddersfield) undisclosed
Marvin Zeegelaar (Watford) undisclosed

With the odd exception, I'd say the majority are no better than what we have.

The lad at Brighton is a propper player

I'd say Klaassen , was just in the wrong place at the wrong time at Everton, I'd have him here.
Same with Burke.

Gross is a real player and a great find last summer; same with Ryan as well. Brighton can identify a player that's for sure. Jorgensen at Huddersfield as well, £3.5m was a snip for him.

Noone said you can't get value from abroad, nor that we shouldn't. Id certainly like us to use that market more. But the failure rate is much higher from abroad - that's just a fact - and as a club we perceive that our ability to do our due diligence and "de-risk" signings is impacted the further afield a player comes from.

At the end of the day, it is all very well citing Huddersfield and Brighton - but well as they both did last season, as it stands we're the club that their fans are looking to emulate in terms of recent success. And given that only Mee of the current Burnley team pre-dates the Dyche/Garlick era, transfer policy remains a big part of that.

jlup1980 wrote:Gross is a real player and a great find last summer; same with Ryan as well. Brighton can identify a player that's for sure. Jorgensen at Huddersfield as well, £3.5m was a snip for him.

I am pretty sure we had Mat Ryan here on trial about 4 years ago and decided not to sign him.

I would say that Nick Pope and Tom Heaton are much better keepers than Ryan and only cost us a combined £1M

We can identify players too that's for sure

mkmel wrote:I am pretty sure we had Mat Ryan here on trial about 4 years ago and decided not to sign him.

I would say that Nick Pope and Tom Heaton are much better keepers than Ryan and only cost us a combined £1M

We can identify players too that's for sure

It's signing them that we have an issue with

I notice neither Clucas nor Mawson have travelled on Swansea's pre season tour.Both still recuperating after injuries apparently.

jlup1980 wrote:Brighton can identify a player that's for sure.

And so can every other club. Hardly like they are churning them out is it?

Look at the way JBG has developed, for example, or Tarkowski, or Pope.

I know we can identify a player as well. Can I not just praise another club please? I wasn't even comparing them to us, just stating a fact. They did very well last summer in the transfer market and stayed up comfortably. That's an impressive thing to do in your first PL season. Same with Huddersfield.

I was not having a go at you praising other club's player recruitment but just praising our recruitment as well

"Problems from many angles" relating to this transfer, apparently, according to Nixon on Twitter.

I'll take a wild guess that one of the problems is money

We dont want to paying money on crocks.We wasted £5m on Naaki Wells who was injured for most of thr season.I'd give Dwight Oneill a chance.Its time we got players into our first team on ability.Weve nothing to loose and a young hungry to succeed player is just what we need.

Sounds like we’re being messed around for a bang average player. “Problems from many angles” - should make a final take it or leave it offer - surely Sam Clucas isn’t worth chasing right up until deadline day...

No imminent move for anybody from what I am reading. Oh hang on I forgot Vinnie Steels from York !!

Dwight McNeill

This window is becoming a joke

Cleveleys_claret wrote:This window is becoming a joke

Dont say that you will get shot down

Any news on Ben Mee signing a new contract ?

mkmel wrote:Any news on Ben Mee signing a new contract ?

Think it's highly unlikely Ben Mee will be signing a new deal now.

Reecey1987 wrote:Dont say that you will get shot down

Remember the last time which I think was the Sordell window and everyone saying keep the faith the club has it in hand....then an article on here saying how disappointing a wi dow it was. Shaping up the same way. It beggars belief that in this day and age we can not scout players abroad properly.

Perhaps we're aiming for the biggest profit ever announced by a Premier League club ?

Dwight McNeil

randomclaret2 wrote:Perhaps we're aiming for the biggest profit ever announced by a Premier League club ?

It’s a well known fact we all pay week in week out to watch a balance sheet

Grimsdale wrote:Premier League signings from overseas teams last summer costing less than £25m (i.e. the market we are realistically looking at):

Elias Kachunga (Hudersfield) £1.1m
Sead Hakšabanović (West Ham) £2.7m
Laurent Depoitre (Brighton) £3.5m
Mathias Jørgensen (Huddersfield) £3.5m
Mathew Ryan (Brighton) £5m
Sandro (Everton) £5.2m
Davy Pröpper (Brighton) £6m
Henry Onyekuru (Everton) £7m
Bruno Martins Indi £7m
Juan Foyth (Spurs) £8m
Florian Lejeune (Newcastle) £8.7m
Nikola Vlašić (Everton) £10m
Vicente Iborra (Leicester) £10m
Roque Mesa (Swansea) £11m
Richarlison (Watford) £11m
Steve Mounié (Huddersfield) £11.44m
José Izquierdo (Brighton) £13.5m
Oliver Burke (WBA) £15m
Mario Lemina (Southampton) £15.4m
Javier Hernández (West Ham) £16m
Serge Aurier (Spurs) £23m
Davy Klaassen (Everton) £23.6m
Pascal Groß (Brighton) undisclosed
Nathangelo Markelo (Everton) undisclosed
Zhang Yuning (West Brom) undisclosed
Markus Suttner (Brighton) undisclosed
Douglas Luiz (Man City) undisclosed
Mathias Normann (Brighton) undisclosed
Jaïro Riedewald (Crystal Palace) undisclosed
Aleš Matějů (Brighton) undisclosed
Soufyan Ahannach (Brighton) undisclosed
Abdelhamid Sabiri (Huddersfield) undisclosed
Marvin Zeegelaar (Watford) undisclosed

With the odd exception, I'd say the majority are no better than what we have.

Based off that list, I’d say if Sam Clucas was from the Bundesliga he’d cost about £3m absolute maximum. And the deal would be done by now.

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Remember the last time which I think was the Sordell window and everyone saying keep the faith the club has it in hand....then an article on here saying how disappointing a wi dow it was. Shaping up the same way. It beggars belief that in this day and age we can not scout players abroad properly.

I think we will already have some kind of offers in for certain players its just a case of waiting now to see if the club can get a better price . It is fustrating but thats how it goes

Reecey1987 wrote:I think we will already have some kind of offers in for certain players its just a case of waiting now to see if the club can get a better price . It is fustrating but thats how it goes

Yes but we are rubbish at playing chicken. We always blink first.

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Yes but we are rubbish at playing chicken. We always blink first.

Were either gonna have to pay top dollar or get them for a knock down price . My guess will be the first one

Option 3 - we dont get them at all and they end up with a new improved contract at their club.

Woodleyclaret wrote:We dont want to paying money on crocks.We wasted £5m on Naaki Wells who was injured for most of thr season.I'd give Dwight Oneill a chance.Its time we got players into our first team on ability.Weve nothing to loose and a young hungry to succeed player is just what we need.

Nothing to lose?

Cleveleys_claret wrote:This window is becoming a joke

The ‘we finished 7th’ crew should be along any minute.

Dunno if they are coming, but the "stop whining you soft arses" crowd has just turned up

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno if they are coming, but the "stop whining you soft arses" crowd has just turned up

Right I pay for 4 season tickets, buy lots of memorabilia each year....go half the away games a year roughly. Sorry but I expect the club to want to progress...at the moment we are not showing the desire to do that

Reckon Lancaster you probably only went on 5 times at the most last year

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Right I pay for 4 season tickets, buy lots of memorabilia each year....go half the away games a year roughly. Sorry but I expect the club to want to progress...at the moment we are not showing the desire to do that

Nope, we've never shown any desire to progress

Relax everybody

The manager still thinks we are going to have to break our transfer record this window to get in his targets

The Chairman has said the budget for this summer will be greater than last year

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Nope, we've never shown any desire to progress

When did I say never? The truth is is that tomorrow we will have a side out that will be weaker than how we ended the season (in my opinion). Our season starts tomorrow...not in 3 weeks like other clubs

Nice try

You whinge all the time on here.

If it stops you annoying normal folk, then knock yourself out

jojomk1 wrote:The Chairman has said the budget for this summer will be greater than last year

Is that the travel or transfer budget?

These European trips aren't cheap!

Lancasterclaret wrote:Nice try

You whinge all the time on here.

If it stops you annoying normal folk, then knock yourself out

Sorry ... so how many games? Tired of people that dont even go to the games saying chill out...you dont pay anything to the club hence you expect nothing