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Richarlison

Postby KRBFC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:11 pm

Signing for Everton, a fee could potentially reach £50M (seems like flat fee £40M with £10M instalments). Marco Silva had him on fire, big fee but huge potential under Silva, when Silva downed tools it seemed the entire squad did for the rest of the season but i'm not sure how Watford have managed to get that fee for him. When this goes through it will be just us and Spurs yet to bring a player in, a battle for the slowest recruitment policy in the PL, who wins?

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Re: Richarlison

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:15 pm

Awful player. Whos done **** all and his price has gone up to that. Good luck everton.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby evensteadiereddie » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:17 pm

Yup, if that's how the market is, I'm happy for us to take our chances with the group we have.
Luckily for us, Dyche knows exactly what he's doing.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby KRBFC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:18 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Awful player. Whos done **** all and his price has gone up to that. Good luck everton.

By your standards he's world class after you said Welbeck was excellent ;)
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Re: Richarlison

Postby randomclaret2 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:18 pm

Imagine having £100 million to spend and coming back with Sigurdsson and Richarlison
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Re: Richarlison

Postby TVC15 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:24 pm

KRBFC wrote:When this goes through it will be just us and Spurs yet to bring a player in, a battle for the slowest recruitment policy in the PL, who wins?


Alternative name for the battle could be club with slowest record for not spun-king the most gagillions up the wall

Everton quickly turning into the new West Ham. Maybe Harry Redknapp is providing their transfer strategy consultancy.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby KRBFC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:28 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Imagine having £100 million to spend and coming back with Sigurdsson and Richarlison

Yeah pretty shocking business at that price, you can understand why Swansea wanted 50 for Sigurdsson given his important to their income but why Everton paid it is anyones guess.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby KRBFC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:32 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Yup, if that's how the market is, I'm happy for us to take our chances with the group we have.
Luckily for us, Dyche knows exactly what he's doing.

Luckily Dyche disagrees with you though, he wants players in and understands how important we get players in is to our survival. Taking our chances with the group we have without additions would be the biggest gamble ever and incredibly stupid, we're so short in numbers.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Spijed » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:we're so short in numbers.


hmmm.... You'll catch a few with that one! ;)

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Re: Richarlison

Postby boatshed bill » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:38 pm

KRBFC wrote:Luckily Dyche disagrees with you though, he wants players in and understands how important we get players in is to our survival. Taking our chances with the group we have without additions would be the biggest gamble ever and incredibly stupid, we're so short in numbers.


KR, apologies if I'm wrong but haven't you been fairly critical of some of our squad "fillers", namely Bardsley, Walters, Wells?
The thing is that with the ridiculous money being thrown around we could spend the thick end of £30 million on 3 squad members who would hardly be any better.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:By your standards he's world class after you said Welbeck was excellent ;)

Course he is.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby cutsy123 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:44 pm

KRBFC wrote:By your standards he's world class after you said Welbeck was excellent ;)


Welbeck is awful

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Re: Richarlison

Postby ksrclaret » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:44 pm

Looked really good for Watford until October last year, after which he was bobbins.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby evensteadiereddie » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:47 pm

KRBFC wrote:Luckily Dyche disagrees with you though, he wants players in and understands how important we get players in is to our survival. Taking our chances with the group we have without additions would be the biggest gamble ever and incredibly stupid, we're so short in numbers.



I think you misunderstand : I, unlike you and several others, understand and support Dyche's/the club's policy towards our transfer business.
The steady, patient approach - "slow" in some people's eyes - has worked every season he's been here and no doubt will again.
The biggest and most stupid gamble would be to waste 40, 50 or more million on players simply to appease fans like you.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby KRBFC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:48 pm

boatshed bill wrote:KR, apologies if I'm wrong but haven't you been fairly critical of some of our squad "fillers", namely Bardsley, Walters, Wells?
The thing is that with the ridiculous money being thrown around we could spend the thick end of £30 million on 3 squad members who would hardly be any better.

Yeah but it's about type of squad fillers, any old fecker wont do. I want players capable of filling in, I've seen nothing to suggest any of those 3 are capable at PL level right now. 3 years ago at Stoke, they were capable. Arfield, Long, Marney, Taylor and Vokes are capable squad fillers. We just need a few, that's if we don't want to try and improve and hope we have enough in the 11 starters we have.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby Woodleyclaret » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:50 pm

We dont have gamblers on our board of directors.This guy is no Coutinho and looked disinterested when we beat Watford away last year.But the owners of Everton are rich and thick with deep pockets

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Re: Richarlison

Postby boatshed bill » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah but it's about type of squad fillers, any old fecker wont do. I want players capable of filling in, I've seen nothing to suggest any of those 3 are capable at PL level right now. 3 years ago at Stoke, they were capable. Arfield, Long, Marney, Taylor and Vokes are capable squad fillers. We just need a few, that's if we don't want to try and improve and hope we have enough in the 11 starters we have.


I know where you are coming from, just think it's going to be difficult to bring in the sort of player you are talking about within our transfer and wage budgets.
I'd still prefer us to gamble on a couple of young Championship standard players who we can develop.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby TVC15 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:23 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah but it's about type of squad fillers, any old fecker wont do. I want players capable of filling in, I've seen nothing to suggest any of those 3 are capable at PL level right now. 3 years ago at Stoke, they were capable. Arfield, Long, Marney, Taylor and Vokes are capable squad fillers. We just need a few, that's if we don't want to try and improve and hope we have enough in the 11 starters we have.


Seriously you need to give it a rest.
We know your feelings on Walters and Bardsley. The facts are though that both players have significantly more premier league experience than all the 5 “capable” squad fillers you mention put together. So whilst you are entitled to your opinion about both players very few people who do this football thing for a living agree with you.

Repeating your views a million times does not make them correct.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby ecc » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:58 pm

Spent more time on his backside than on his feet at TM last season. He has posters of Neymar on his bedroom wall.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby KRBFC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:09 pm

TVC15 wrote:Seriously you need to give it a rest.
We know your feelings on Walters and Bardsley. The facts are though that both players have significantly more premier league experience than all the 5 “capable” squad fillers you mention put together. So whilst you are entitled to your opinion about both players very few people who do this football thing for a living agree with you.

Repeating your views a million times does not make them correct.

Walters has played about 30 minutes for us, I have seen nothing to suggest he's good enough as a squad player for us, i'm amazed you have in his 30 minutes last year.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Paddy1882 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:11 pm

TVC15 wrote:Seriously you need to give it a rest.
We know your feelings on Walters and Bardsley. The facts are though that both players have significantly more premier league experience than all the 5 “capable” squad fillers you mention put together. So whilst you are entitled to your opinion about both players very few people who do this football thing for a living agree with you.

Repeating your views a million times does not make them correct.


Just because they have more premier league experience doesn’t mean they are good enough or better than the others, and our manager who does do this football thing for a living seems to agree with him at least about Walters.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby TVC15 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:Walters has played about 30 minutes for us, I have seen nothing to suggest he's good enough as a squad player for us, i'm amazed you have in his 30 minutes last year.


He was out all year injured ffs.
I’m going off his 7 years playing in a team that finished above us for 20 years.
I suppose you knew he was going to get injured and not play all season when we signed him.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby TVC15 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:20 pm

Paddy1882 wrote:Just because they have more premier league experience doesn’t mean they are good enough or better than the others, and our manager who does do this football thing for a living seems to agree with him at least about Walters.


That makes no sense.
He obviously thought Walters was good enough when he signed him. He then got a serious injury and was out all season.

Whether he is good enough now after being out for a year I am not sure....and Dyche is not sure either I guess. Maybe Dyche should have known he would get his first serious injury in 7 years.

Or maybe he should have just phoned the hindsight twins before we signed him - you and KRBFC

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Re: Richarlison

Postby claret wizard » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:27 pm

Reading this thread is really difficult cos I blocked the belmtard posting most on it ages ago.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Paddy1882 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:28 pm

TVC15 wrote:That makes no sense.
He obviously thought Walters was good enough when he signed him. He then got a serious injury and was out all season.

Whether he is good enough now after being out for a year I am not sure....and Dyche is not sure either I guess. Maybe Dyche should have known he would get his first serious injury in 7 years.

Or maybe he should have just phoned the hindsight twins before we signed him - you and KRBFC


Dyche doesn’t know yet in a interview while away with Ireland for a Friendly last month Walters stated he spoke to the manager and was told he could look for another club so Dyche clearly does know....

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Re: Richarlison

Postby TheFamilyCat » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Am I the only one to think KR started this thread as another excuse to suck Marco Silva's cock?
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Re: Richarlison

Postby Quickenthetempo » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:52 pm

Back on track.

He was interesting the big clubs after the start he had, as would any Brazilian.
40m maybe high but if it gets to 50m he will of done his job.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Socrates » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah but it's about type of squad fillers, any old fecker wont do.


Mate ....... you were suggesting we sign John Terry yesterday.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby Socrates » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:56 pm

On Richarlison ...... crazy money for somebody who has had less than 10 decent Premier League games.

He may prove to be worth it, but it’s a hell of a gamble.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby tiger76 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I know where you are coming from, just think it's going to be difficult to bring in the sort of player you are talking about within our transfer and wage budgets.
I'd still prefer us to gamble on a couple of young Championship standard players who we can develop.


This is the route i would prefer us to pursue,young upcoming Championship performers,ala Tarks,Taylor but even they are going for about 10 million now,and no manager has the luxury of bedding in rookies if results are suffering,so it is understandable why Sean is looking for Premiership experience.

Richarlison is overpriced at that money,the player i thought would follow Silva to Everton is Troy Deeney.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby KRBFC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:01 pm

TVC15 wrote:He was out all year injured ffs.
I’m going off his 7 years playing in a team that finished above us for 20 years.
I suppose you knew he was going to get injured and not play all season when we signed him.

Lets sign up John O'Shea then

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Re: Richarlison

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:11 pm

Socrates wrote:Mate ....... you were suggesting we sign John Terry yesterday.

:lol:

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Socrates » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:18 pm

KRBFC wrote:Lets sign up John O'Shea then


Makes as much sense as your John Terry shout yesterday.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Dyched » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:53 pm

Bolasie, Gylfi and Richarlison for about £130m??! (Cant be arsed looking it up)

Or

Brady, Jbg, Cork and Defour for about £30m

Yet people still have a do how we do things.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby bobinho » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:13 pm

Shocker of a decision. Who on earth ratified this? I’d be furious if we’d paid even half this?

Well done Watford for getting some of the gray money back, but if these are the sums required for this standard, I seriously hope our board have remained as smart as they have been for the last 20 years.... this is BAD if anywhere near true...
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Re: Richarlison

Postby TVC15 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:33 pm

Paddy1882 wrote:Dyche doesn’t know yet in a interview while away with Ireland for a Friendly last month Walters stated he spoke to the manager and was told he could look for another club so Dyche clearly does know....


Not really the point though is it ?
He played him tonight but even if he is surplus to requirements he did not think that 12 months ago when he signed him.

It’s only the hindsight gang who think he is a bad signing now

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Re: Richarlison

Postby TVC15 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:38 pm

KRBFC wrote:Lets sign up John O'Shea then


Hilarious coming from the person suggesting we sign John Terry.
Walters was always likely to be a squad signing. If Dyche would have signed O’Shea as a back up centre back 12 months ago for a couple of million on a salary similar to Walters I don’t think many Burnley fans would be complaining

You would of course complained - but pretty sure you still haven’t named these many championship centre backs you mentioned the other day that you think are good enough.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby KRBFC » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:28 am

TVC15 wrote:Hilarious coming from the person suggesting we sign John Terry.
Walters was always likely to be a squad signing. If Dyche would have signed O’Shea as a back up centre back 12 months ago for a couple of million on a salary similar to Walters I don’t think many Burnley fans would be complaining

You would of course complained - but pretty sure you still haven’t named these many championship centre backs you mentioned the other day that you think are good enough.

Good enough to be 3rd/4th choice central defender? I mentioned 4 in the same post you quoted on the other thread..... Liam Moore, Jack O'Connell, James Chester and Terry. Aden Flint, Ben Gibson and Chris Mepham are another 3. Pontuss Jansson is another, there is plenty of decent central defenders in the Championship who are better than Kevin Long (who I don't actually mind at all).

I wouldn't be against James Collins either, free transfer, squad player, shown he still has legs last year with West Ham and while central defence is a priority, it's a priority for a cover signing because we have 2 excellent ones already. I'd rather we brought in Terry/Collins on a free transfer and saved the £20M for Dawson and spent it on areas we could improve the first 11 in. Save that £20M and put it towards a number 10 or a wide player.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby SGr » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:34 am

That really is the state of the domestic market.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Paddy1882 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:33 am

TVC15 wrote:Not really the point though is it ?
He played him tonight but even if he is surplus to requirements he did not think that 12 months ago when he signed him.

It’s only the hindsight gang who think he is a bad signing now


If you sign someone for £3million and that person doesn’t play hardly, that makes it a poor signing, obviously Dyche can’t predict the future so he wasn’t to know he’d get injured but the facts are that he did and now he’s said he can leave. He took a chance like with Juke and Sordell it’s not worked out but that happens sometimes. Not “hindsight” just the facts.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby TVC15 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:05 am

Paddy1882 wrote:If you sign someone for £3million and that person doesn’t play hardly, that makes it a poor signing, obviously Dyche can’t predict the future so he wasn’t to know he’d get injured but the facts are that he did and now he’s said he can leave. He took a chance like with Juke and Sordell it’s not worked out but that happens sometimes. Not “hindsight” just the facts.


You clearly don’t understand the definition of hindsight

To criticise Dyche for the signing of Walters using a rationale that he hardly played because he was injured is hindsight. If you would have criticised the signing when it happened on the basis he would as going to get injured that would have been different !!

You describe it as “poor”. Most sensible people would use unfortunate or unlucky.

It’s no coincidence that a certain poster who has spent a lot of time on this board criticising Dyche and the clubs transfer strategy also chooses to use similar words as you.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby jlup1980 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:38 am

Watford must be laughing all the way to the bank. Everton are gambling on Silva being able to reignite his form from early last season. He was totally ineffective from October onwards. The lad showed he had talent for about 8 weeks; how can that equate to £50m?!

As much as I want us to sign a few players I can fully understand why we haven't if this is the sort of value for money you get at the moment!

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Conroy92 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:47 am

To be honest, I'd rather us move Walters on now and get someone like Sako in on a free. I thought Walters was an OK signing when he came in, it hasn't worked out that way. We should be looking to bring youth in though really, last year you could make the argument we needed experienced heads in but now, most of our squad has prem experience.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby piston broke » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:48 am

Whatever talent Richarlison showed early last season was never anywhere close to a £50m player. Everton spunking money for a manager with two relegations on his CV. I hope he gets his hat trick.
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Re: Richarlison

Postby Hipper » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:55 am

piston broke wrote:Whatever talent Richarlison showed early last season was never anywhere close to a £50m player. Everton spunking money for a manager with two relegations on his CV. I hope he gets his hat trick.



I think it was. He tore Chelsea apart at Stamford Bridge but unfortunately he also lost it in his head with his diving. He also never managed to keep it going the whole season. If Silva thinks he can do that he may prove a top signing.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby HieronymousBoschHobs » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:15 am

Big gamble this from Everton, there will be huge pressure on the player himself too... I see it ending badly somehow.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Tall Paul » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:18 am

piston broke wrote:Whatever talent Richarlison showed early last season was never anywhere close to a £50m player. Everton spunking money for a manager with two relegations on his CV. I hope he gets his hat trick.


Who was Silva relegated with apart from Hull?

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Paddy1882 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:22 am

TVC15 wrote:You clearly don’t understand the definition of hindsight

To criticise Dyche for the signing of Walters using a rationale that he hardly played because he was injured is hindsight. If you would have criticised the signing when it happened on the basis he would as going to get injured that would have been different !!

You describe it as “poor”. Most sensible people would use unfortunate or unlucky.

It’s no coincidence that a certain poster who has spent a lot of time on this board criticising Dyche and the clubs transfer strategy also chooses to use similar words as you.


You won’t find anything that I have written anywhere where I have criticised Dyche so don’t know where that’s come from. You also won’t find written anywhere that iv said I think Walters is a bad player, but if you sign someone who doesn’t play then you can dress it up however you like... it’s a poor signing!! Using similar words to another poster? What do you want me to do speak a different language?? If you’ve spent your time working out that I might know this bloke (which I don’t) so iv decided to come on here and infiltrate your message board (which I haven’t) then it’s your time your free to do that but it’s a little strange. Recon Morses job is safe for now.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby piston broke » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:23 am

Tall Paul wrote:Who was Silva relegated with apart from Hull?

You’re right. My bad.

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Re: Richarlison

Postby Quickenthetempo » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:26 am

I can't think of many 20 yr olds that shine for a full premier league season. 5 goals isn't bad from the wing in his first season.

Why does everyone want all others to fail?


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