When did the rise begin?

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:37 pm

I posted on the Macclesfield thread about the dark days of Stan's first season. However, it was probably the latter part of that season that the upward trajectory that would finally take us to Europe began, I'd say.

For me, the 'recovery' began that January in 1999. We'd finally sorted the mess out at board level, Kilby arrived and Stan had some money. That winter he brought in the likes of Steve Davis, Mickey Mellon and Graham Branch and I remember the new look side going to Bristol Rovers and winning 4-3. That, for me, was the start of the journey which has taken us to where we are now. Sure, we had the 0-5 (Gillingham) and 0-6 (City) blips after that but Stan was finally getting his team together and the additions of Cook and Cowan saw us go unbeaten for the rest of the season before winning promotion the year after.

Following that, we saw the ITV Digital debacle but we never dropped below the second tier again.

Which game for you sticks out for you, when you realised the tide was finally turning?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:50 pm

Crystal palace at home midweek under coyle dead and buried at half time losing 0..2?we won the game in the second half And went on a run after that and got promoted at wembley.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:52 pm

Up with Stan, dropping with Stan, nothing much then until the shock up with Coyle, then the downward spiral with him, Laws and Howe before finally Dyche and that's when it really fully happened.

Cajun · Post by **Cajun** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:56 pm

Well we rose from the dead on May 9, 1987. with the pledge that the club would never get into that situation again, and gradually hauled ourselves upward, and got a season in the Championship in 94-95. But there was then a danger of letting it slip again, and we went into the final game of the 97-98 season on the brink of sliding back into the bottom division again. If we had not survived that "triangle of death" as we played Plymouth while Brizzle Rovers took on Brentford, then we could have entered another long period of obscurity in the depths which could have choked the life out of the club.
The momentum from that dramatic last day in 98 - with Waddle departing then Stan finally getting a team sorted out and then the run to promotion in 2000 - propelled what has been for me a fantastic period of years in the top two divisions, culminating in the pinnacle of being "the best of the rest" last season.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:57 pm

If we're talking the "rise into Europe" then you can look no further than appointing Sir Dyche and the 1st promotion under him.

Lets not go over the Coyle years again, but imo, after dropping down we weren't in that much better shape (Financially or in infrastructure) than before and if SD hadn't got us promoted that season I believe we would have settled back as a Lower End Championship / 1st Division team.

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:01 pm

I'd have to say Owen Coyle, even though with how he left, jump-started us.

The 2009 playoff final win vs Sheffield United was significant.

crundale · Post by **crundale** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:13 pm

DustyBawls wrote:I'd have to say Owen Coyle, even though with how he left, jump-started us.

The 2009 playoff final win vs Sheffield United was significant.

Most certainly earlier than this game but I remember walking off the the QPR game, the one when Barton was hit by a bottle, after playing them off the park and realising how bloody good we were.

crundale · Post by **crundale** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:14 pm

Edit. Later!

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:31 pm

9th may 1987

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:48 pm

Two words
Barry Kilby

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:23 pm

Trajectory is the wrong word our rise have been like stairs, rather than a ladder. Build, stabilise, build again.
All the managers since Jimmy Mullen have played a part. Stan, Cotterill, Judas, Howe, Sean. Top of the pile though has to be Barry Kilby, without him I'm certain we wouldn't be where we are today. His passion, and nous about football, but especially Burnley, has got us here.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:27 pm

In terms of where we are now, it began when Dyche took over. Nobody else would’ve taken a team 4th favourites for relegation, just sold their best striker, just made an £8m loss up with 93 points spending only 4-500k in the process. Simple as.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:10 pm

Cajun wrote:Well we rose from the dead on May 9, 1987. with the pledge that the club would never get into that situation again, and gradually hauled ourselves upward, and got a season in the Championship in 94-95. But there was then a danger of letting it slip again, and we went into the final game of the 97-98 season on the brink of sliding back into the bottom division again. If we had not survived that "triangle of death" as we played Plymouth while Brizzle Rovers took on Brentford, then we could have entered another long period of obscurity in the depths which could have choked the life out of the club.
The momentum from that dramatic last day in 98 - with Waddle departing then Stan finally getting a team sorted out and then the run to promotion in 2000 - propelled what has been for me a fantastic period of years in the top two divisions, culminating in the pinnacle of being "the best of the rest" last season.

That victory over Plymouth was on reflection far more important than we realised at the time,can't remember all the details but we were bottom of the league at Christmas i think with a measly points tally,and the last 20 or so games we had play-off form that enabled us too complete the great escape just.There has been challenges since ITV Digital collapsing being a major one,as we had to downsize the squad and consolidate in the Championship for several seasons,but even during the dark days under Cotterill,we produced memorable moments the Liverpool and Aston Villa cup wins will last long in the memory.And retaining second tier status ultimately gave us the platform to build a team under Coyle to reach the promised land.Despite meekly dropping back to the Championship the hiring of Eddie Howe was pivotal in signing the likes of Ings,Trippier and Austin,whose sale allowed Sir Sean too build his own team and winning formula,again with a relegation blip,but each time returning to the Championship stronger than before and bouncing back as champions gave the players belief they could compete in the top division.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:16 pm

crundale wrote:Most certainly earlier than this game but I remember walking off the the QPR game, the one when Barton was hit by a bottle, after playing them off the park and realising how bloody good we were.

Same experience for me as well.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:17 pm

Jimmy Mullen

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:27 pm

tiger76 wrote:That victory over Plymouth was on reflection far more important than we realised at the time,can't remember all the details but we were bottom of the league at Christmas i think with a measly points tally,and the last 20 or so games we had play-off form that enabled us too complete the great escape just.There has been challenges since ITV Digital collapsing being a major one,as we had to downsize the squad and consolidate in the Championship for several seasons,but even during the dark days under Cotterill,we produced memorable moments the Liverpool and Aston Villa cup wins will last long in the memory.And retaining second tier status ultimately gave us the platform to build a team under Coyle to reach the promised land.Despite meekly dropping back to the Championship the hiring of Eddie Howe was pivotal in signing the likes of Ings,Trippier and Austin,whose sale allowed Sir Sean too build his own team and winning formula,again with a relegation blip,but each time returning to the Championship stronger than before and bouncing back as champions gave the players belief they could compete in the top division.

I was going to say all the above word for word

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:53 pm

The day that Charlie Austin left, David Jones was brought in and VINGS were told that they’d be the forward duo in the season opener against Bolton Wanderers!

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:07 pm

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:15 pm

Definitely when we appointed eddie howe. It showed we could attract sought after, up and coming forward thinking managers. One who had us playing the best football i saw in 30 years watching us.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:19 pm

If it be your will wrote:If I had to choose a single game it would be Bury v Burnley 9th Feb 1988. Sherpa Van N Quarter Final, where we won 0-1 in a hurricane. The whole town's attitude towards the club changed in that cup run, which only truly started that night. Everyone seemed to join in after that.

Everyone remembers the Northern final at Preston,but in the previous round we squeezed past Halifax on penalties after a goalless 120 mins,who knows what the future would have looked like if we hadn't won through that night,this was only a matter of months since the Orient game and the club was still in a fragile state,what 1988 showed was the potential of the club despite all the turbulence of the previous 5 or so seasons,for a game between two division 4 teams to attract 80,000 plus was remarkable.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:22 pm

Thought about this all day and I think it was a 1-0 (or could have been 2-1) defeat to PNE, after we had been dry humped by City and Gillingham. But we played really well and were well unlucky to lose. You left the ground thinking we'd turned a corner.

Stan bought in a couple of players, and we then spent the rest of the season unbeaten, then got into the championship.

It could have been 1987, York, Wembley or loads of others, but this is a period that is overlooked.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:24 pm

It was a 0-1 home defeat to PNE mate. Kurt Nogan got the only goal at the Cricket Field end with that audacious lob.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:25 pm

When I watched the latest Trivago advert.....

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:29 pm

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:35 pm

If it be your will wrote:That's exactly it, yes! That rather pointless competition (let's be honest) seemed to remind everyone that BFC was important. Dare I say it, even more than the Orient game did.

I think it gave hope of more days in the sun,and there's been plenty of them since.

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:41 pm

It’s been like walking up the back steps on a wintery icy night to The Longside. You knew you’d get there and enjoy it eventually,, but never realised how difficult and long it would take you.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:10 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thought about this all day and I think it was a 1-0 (or could have been 2-1) defeat to PNE, after we had been dry humped by City and Gillingham. But we played really well and were well unlucky to lose. You left the ground thinking we'd turned a corner.
Stan bought in a couple of players, and we then spent the rest of the season unbeaten, then got into the championship.
It could have been 1987, York, Wembley or loads of others, but this is a period that is overlooked.

100% this ... !

I can't claim to have had the feeling at the time, but with Barry Kilby taking over, Stan Ternent as Manager, and with people like Andy Payton and Steve Davis on the pitch, you got the feeling that they loved every win and felt every loss just as much as the fans did....

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:13 pm

Fretters wrote:I posted on the Macclesfield thread about the dark days of Stan's first season. However, it was probably the latter part of that season that the upward trajectory that would finally take us to Europe began, I'd say.

For me, the 'recovery' began that January in 1999. We'd finally sorted the mess out at board level, Kilby arrived and Stan had some money. That winter he brought in the likes of Steve Davis, Mickey Mellon and Graham Branch and I remember the new look side going to Bristol Rovers and winning 4-3. That, for me, was the start of the journey which has taken us to where we are now. Sure, we had the 0-5 (Gillingham) and 0-6 (City) blips after that but Stan was finally getting his team together and the additions of Cook and Cowan saw us go unbeaten for the rest of the season before winning promotion the year after.

Following that, we saw the ITV Digital debacle but we never dropped below the second tier again.

Which game for you sticks out for you, when you realised the tide was finally turning?

I remember that 4-3 away win at Bristol. Bugger me I went to loads of away games back then and we never got ought. When we won that game I was in complete shock for days.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:42 pm

SGr wrote:In terms of where we are now, it began when Dyche took over. Nobody else would’ve taken a team 4th favourites for relegation, just sold their best striker, just made an £8m loss up with 93 points spending only 4-500k in the process. Simple as.

Please don't end posts "Simple as" or "End of"" as though you know everything, even if you are right it's annoying. To me.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:47 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Please don't end posts "Simple as" or "End of"" as though you know everything, even if you are right it's annoying. To me.

Nuff Said!

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:54 pm

Certainly began with a Jimmy Mullen. Stan then made us believe but Cotterril sured is up in the Championship.

Coyle and Dyche gave us acheivements I never dreamt of.

It’s my view and the usual on here will disagree, but if you look at our town and competition in the championship we were punching above our weight to be a top half side in that league.

We should still be pinching ourselves that we ever made it to this league, never mind where we are today.

UTC

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:58 am

Winning at portman Rd.

ian · Post by **ian** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:59 am

Losing in the final minutes to Spurs in the LC semis. Getting so close to Wembley meant we just *had* to make the playoff final. That's what it felt like to me anyway.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:03 am

Owen Coyle. Without him the club would be in a completely different place.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:17 am

SonofPog wrote:If we're talking the "rise into Europe" then you can look no further than appointing Sir Dyche and the 1st promotion under him.

Lets not go over the Coyle years again, but imo, after dropping down we weren't in that much better shape (Financially or in infrastructure) than before and if SD hadn't got us promoted that season I believe we would have settled back as a Lower End Championship / 1st Division team.

Id say the same about SD. If he hadn’t got us up a 2nd time we’d be a lower end championship team. But then again if he’d have won every game we’d be Champions of Europe by now.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:59 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Jimmy Mullen

I dont think Mullen gets the credit he fully deserves from some of our support for the part he played in were we are today.

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:52 am

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jimmy Mullen got the blood in Burnley's vein again. Barry Kilby & Stan started it pumping.

martintheaker · Post by **martintheaker** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:26 am

Fretters wrote: Which game for you sticks out for you, when you realised the tide was finally turning?

4th of May 1987 on the drive back from Crewe was when we realised the tide had to turn because it felt like the whole football world was against us. So for me, it turned on the final whistle 5 days later.

Sure there’s been a few bumps in the road, but it’s still a hell of a journey.

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