Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
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Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
In The Sunday Times, on-line edition today - but I can't find it my early print edition (expect it may be in later editions and/or on Monday).
Sean Dyche: One day I will be sacked
Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
by Ian Whittell
As he surveys his domain, at Burnley’s £13m Gawthorpe training ground, Sean Dyche is facing up to an early start to his club’s competitive season, in Thursday’s Europa League trip to Aberdeen, and the harsh realities of life at one of the great overachievers in Premier League history.
Dyche, the highest-placed English manager in the top flight last season, is aware his efforts in leading Burnley to seventh may prove a glass ceiling for a club whose resources are dwarfed by the six rivals who finished above them.
For precedents, take Stoke City, Southampton and West Bromwich Albion, clubs with whom Burnley could more reasonably be compared. Two years ago, Stoke finished ninth in the Premier League; in 2017, West Brom were 10th. This year, both exited the top flight while Southampton just escaped relegation, after finishing sixth and eighth in the seasons prior.
Factor in the tricky second qualifying round tie with Aberdeen, the potential disruption of an extended Europa League run and the fact Dyche has yet to break his duck in the summer transfer window, which has less than three weeks left to run, and Burnley fans might be excused for looking at the new campaign, and Europe in particular, with trepidation. Predictably, Dyche is not.
“You finish the season on a high then the doom and gloom starts about the number of extra games,” he said. “For a club of this size this is a massive jump. “Not many people at the beginning of last season gave us a chance of finishing seventh. Clubs like this almost have to go back to the start point each season to remodel it again.
“Because there’s not a given in the Premier League, we saw that last season with West Brom and Stoke. I don’t think anybody a year ago thought they would struggle like they did. Last season was great, this one starts all over again knowing there’s a big challenge ahead.
“We should be a bit wiser, a bit stronger, we should have learnt. The Premier League is the driving force, but for a club like this, the Europa League has to be recognised as a badge of honour.”
Dyche has returned Burnley to European football for the first time in 52 years and led them to their highest league finish since a sixth place in 1974.
The football landscape has shifted seismically in the intervening 44 years, meaning that even matching last season’s efforts seems a tall order. “It might well be seventh is the highest Burnley can ever finish,” he said. “Seventh isn’t the highest ‘possible,’ it might be the highest ‘probable.’ The possibilities are endless, we saw that when Leicester blew the roof off.
“Probably it is difficult to go beyond seventh in this division when you are us. And a number of other clubs could say the same. But you never know. When I came here none of this was envisaged.
“Staying in the Premier League is a start point because that’s the minimum objective you want to get to. Beyond that, who knows?”
Dyche knows he needs to strengthen his squad. Squad player Scott Arfield left for Rangers at the end of last season and, with no new signings, Burnley have a net loss to show in summer movements to date.
“We have to get some players in because we are definitely short at the moment,” said Dyche. “The one thing we’ve tried to work on here is not just bringing players in for the sake of it. Patience is a mindset in this part of the world, it’s like, ‘look after the pounds’.”
Looking after the Burnley coffers is something Dyche has done impressively in assembling his squad, and overseeing off-field developments such as the new training complex.
But the 47-year-old is all too aware of the realities of his profession. “My day will come, I know it will come, not because I’m good, bad or indifferent; just because that’s the nature of football. They used to say, ‘He’s unsackable.’ That went years ago didn’t it?”
Sean Dyche: One day I will be sacked
Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
by Ian Whittell
As he surveys his domain, at Burnley’s £13m Gawthorpe training ground, Sean Dyche is facing up to an early start to his club’s competitive season, in Thursday’s Europa League trip to Aberdeen, and the harsh realities of life at one of the great overachievers in Premier League history.
Dyche, the highest-placed English manager in the top flight last season, is aware his efforts in leading Burnley to seventh may prove a glass ceiling for a club whose resources are dwarfed by the six rivals who finished above them.
For precedents, take Stoke City, Southampton and West Bromwich Albion, clubs with whom Burnley could more reasonably be compared. Two years ago, Stoke finished ninth in the Premier League; in 2017, West Brom were 10th. This year, both exited the top flight while Southampton just escaped relegation, after finishing sixth and eighth in the seasons prior.
Factor in the tricky second qualifying round tie with Aberdeen, the potential disruption of an extended Europa League run and the fact Dyche has yet to break his duck in the summer transfer window, which has less than three weeks left to run, and Burnley fans might be excused for looking at the new campaign, and Europe in particular, with trepidation. Predictably, Dyche is not.
“You finish the season on a high then the doom and gloom starts about the number of extra games,” he said. “For a club of this size this is a massive jump. “Not many people at the beginning of last season gave us a chance of finishing seventh. Clubs like this almost have to go back to the start point each season to remodel it again.
“Because there’s not a given in the Premier League, we saw that last season with West Brom and Stoke. I don’t think anybody a year ago thought they would struggle like they did. Last season was great, this one starts all over again knowing there’s a big challenge ahead.
“We should be a bit wiser, a bit stronger, we should have learnt. The Premier League is the driving force, but for a club like this, the Europa League has to be recognised as a badge of honour.”
Dyche has returned Burnley to European football for the first time in 52 years and led them to their highest league finish since a sixth place in 1974.
The football landscape has shifted seismically in the intervening 44 years, meaning that even matching last season’s efforts seems a tall order. “It might well be seventh is the highest Burnley can ever finish,” he said. “Seventh isn’t the highest ‘possible,’ it might be the highest ‘probable.’ The possibilities are endless, we saw that when Leicester blew the roof off.
“Probably it is difficult to go beyond seventh in this division when you are us. And a number of other clubs could say the same. But you never know. When I came here none of this was envisaged.
“Staying in the Premier League is a start point because that’s the minimum objective you want to get to. Beyond that, who knows?”
Dyche knows he needs to strengthen his squad. Squad player Scott Arfield left for Rangers at the end of last season and, with no new signings, Burnley have a net loss to show in summer movements to date.
“We have to get some players in because we are definitely short at the moment,” said Dyche. “The one thing we’ve tried to work on here is not just bringing players in for the sake of it. Patience is a mindset in this part of the world, it’s like, ‘look after the pounds’.”
Looking after the Burnley coffers is something Dyche has done impressively in assembling his squad, and overseeing off-field developments such as the new training complex.
But the 47-year-old is all too aware of the realities of his profession. “My day will come, I know it will come, not because I’m good, bad or indifferent; just because that’s the nature of football. They used to say, ‘He’s unsackable.’ That went years ago didn’t it?”
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
Dunno
He's probably as unsackable as its possible to be, certainly with the current owners.
He's probably as unsackable as its possible to be, certainly with the current owners.
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Doesn’t bare thinking about - the day dyche goes
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Got to love the bloke, no bullshit.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
I can't see such a change in our clubs ways that he would ever get sacked. Whilst there are some on here who question how far he can take us, the overwhelming majority realise the genius he is. A very intelligent, well motivated and nationally very well respected gem.
The day he leaves will be a very sad, dark day.
The day he leaves will be a very sad, dark day.
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We do have a good track record of picking managers though as 3 out of our last 4 have all got teams promoted to the Prem.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
There will be a day when Sean moves on, but he definitely won't be sacked. The only way it could happen is if we sell our soul to some foreign investor. Another good reason for keeping Burnley in Burnley hands.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
3 out of last 4 managers have promotions to prem?Spijed wrote:We do have a good track record of picking managers though as 3 out of our last 4 have all got teams promoted to the Prem.
Coyle, Dyche & ????
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
I'd object to being compared to Saints, Stoke and WBA.
We're one of the few clubs who don't make large losses every season.
We're one of the few clubs who don't make large losses every season.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
Howe, i think he meanswilks_bfc wrote:3 out of last 4 managers have promotions to prem?
Coyle, Dyche & ????
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
Have to agree with Lancaster in that Dyche's position is probably more secure than any other manager in the League at this moment in time. However, in terms of influence off the pitch at the Club, I doubt it's anywhere near the level that many people on here envisage. That is the reason why that last Friday's deadline for signings in time for the Aberdeen tie has come and gone.Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno
He's probably as unsackable as its possible to be, certainly with the current owners.
He is merely an employee of the Club and as such carries out the wishes of his employers just as in any other business. Said on here last week that good as Dyche has been for Burnley in the last five and a half years, the Club have been equally good to him rewarding his success with a lucrative contract. If it therefore means that we have to forego progress in the Europa League in order to play full strength sides in PL games and try to ensure further dollops of £120 million plus from Broadcast Income, then so be it. Dyche will have to accept that just like the rest of us.
I believe that in all these interviews he's done this weekend he's attempting to transmit exactly that same thought process to the outside world.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
Howe didn't take us up though.
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I thought he was talking about with usSteve1956 wrote:Howe, i think he means
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
I never realised, but should have, that he is the highest paid English manager. As he isnt likely to get a top 6 job, he would have to take a pay cut to leave.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
Why would he have to take a pay cut to leave?
That means he's devaluing himself.
That means he's devaluing himself.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
He took Bournemouth up so three of our last four managers have got teams into the Premier league I think he meant thatwilks_bfc wrote:I thought he was talking about with us
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
Where have you read that?Colburn_Claret wrote:I never realised, but should have, that he is the highest paid English manager. As he isnt likely to get a top 6 job, he would have to take a pay cut to leave.
I’d have thought Hodgson got a hell of a deal for keeping CP up.
Similar with Hughes, Welsh I know, at Saints.
Then there is only Howe, Colin ****** & Hughton.
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It was very remiss of Spijed buggering off and not explaining himselfwilks_bfc wrote:I thought he was talking about with us
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
I read Spijed's post and knew that he wasn't claiming that 3 out of Burnley's last 4 managers got Burnley promoted. The phrase "got teams promoted...." was what told me what he meant.Steve1956 wrote:It was very remiss of Spijed buggering off and not explaining himself
Plus, Clarets have only been promoted to Premier League 3 times and Sean Dyche was the manager who delivered on 2 of those occasions.
No worries,
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
I could have taken Bournemouth up with their budget.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
Cue banners at games reading "Unsackable Dyche"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtoCw2iOTSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtoCw2iOTSc
Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
the team they got promoted with cost next to nothing, largely the same team they got out of League One with. We spent more on Andre Gray that the entire Bournemouth team cost to assemble.claretabroad wrote:I could have taken Bournemouth up with their budget.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
If Bournemouth drop they could be in financial trouble high wages,15 million down the drain on Jordan Ibe. Let's see how long they stick with Eddie if that happens.Losses of nearly 40 million the last time they were a Championship club doesn't bode well,and their wage bill will be much higher now of course parachute payments would help,but i'd suspect a lot of cost-cutting,this is why Burnley have too be prudent with any possible outgoings,as relegation with a large debt and players on silly money could cripple the club for years.
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Re: Burnley ready for European odyssey but manager is a brutal realist
But they made it .....and more fairly than qpr who were in competition with us for promotion making a complete mess of it trying to buy promotion over Burnleys prudence.I think bournemouths spending to maintain a place in the top flight as paid off.inc the signing of j.defoe.tiger76 wrote:If Bournemouth drop they could be in financial trouble high wages,15 million down the drain on Jordan Ibe. Let's see how long they stick with Eddie if that happens.Losses of nearly 40 million the last time they were a Championship club doesn't bode well,and their wage bill will be much higher now of course parachute payments would help,but i'd suspect a lot of cost-cutting,this is why Burnley have too be prudent with any possible outgoings,as relegation with a large debt and players on silly money could cripple the club for years.