Andre Schurrle to Fulham

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:41 pm

Undergoing medical tomorrow apparently.

What is happening to this league. First Wolves and now Fulham.

We've worked hard for everything and this lot are just cheating!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:44 pm

Not cheating, different approach.

If we had a megabucks owner, we wouldn’t be moaning at big signings coming in.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:46 pm

I think Fulham have a really good manager out of the two and will get his players to gel....

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:46 pm

Sean Dyche isn't their manager though.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:47 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Undergoing medical tomorrow apparently.

What is happening to this league. First Wolves and now Fulham.

We've worked hard for everything and this lot are just cheating!

Funny you say that, Schurrle and Moutinho will cost less than we'll pay for Dawson.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:48 pm

KRBFC wrote:Funny you say that, Schurrle and Moutinho will cost less than we'll pay for Dawson.

Yes, and they'll be paid in tap washers.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:49 pm

Big wages and Dortmund fans happy to see the back of him. I’ve made no secret of the fact we’ve had missed opportunities this window - but for me this isn’t one of them.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:50 pm

Blburnrvrs wrote:I think a percentage of your fans are absolutely desperate for 'name' signings like moutinho and shurrle.

you omitted ronaldihno

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:51 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote: We've worked hard for everything and this lot are just cheating!

Revenue will be north of £120m for both clubs this season. And us.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:53 pm

Blburnrvrs wrote:I think a percentage of your fans are absolutely desperate for 'name' signings like moutinho and shurrle.

You're dead right, I'm desperate for us to sign a big name, players like Joe Rothwell and Jacob Davenport would show some real ambition.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:53 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Undergoing medical tomorrow apparently.

What is happening to this league. First Wolves and now Fulham.

We've worked hard for everything and this lot are just cheating!

There taking a gamble and hope it pays off . If not the chairman will just clear there debt and start again

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:53 pm

This transfer window has been great for the league so far.
Some exciting signings.

Let's just hope we land someone better than we have been linked with so far.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:55 pm

Don't get me wrong. This isn't the player I want us to buy. I like the way we do business.

It just makes a mockery of our careful considered approach when others get an investor in to do all the heavy lifting.

I should be used to it by now!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:56 pm

Blburnrvrs wrote:Wages?

£3-5M fee for Moutinho on a 2 year deal, for arguments sake lets say he's on £100k p/w that's £10.4M over 2 years, give or take £14M for 2 years of Moutinho.

Dawson likely to cost £18-20M, £75k p/w which has been reported, I'm sure he'll get a 3 year deal given the fee and his age, £3.9M a year in wages, so £11.7M over 3 years. You're looking at about £30M outlay on Dawson for 3 years.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:58 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:There taking a gamble and hope it pays off . If not the chairman will just clear there debt and start again

£3-5M fee for Moutinho on a 2 year deal, for arguments sake lets say he's on £100k p/w that's £10.4M over 2 years, give or take £14M for 2 years of Moutinho.

Dawson likely to cost £18-20M, £75k p/w which has been reported, I'm sure he'll get a 3 year deal given the fee and his age, £3.9M a year in wages, so £11.7M over 3 years. You're looking at about £30M outlay on Dawson for 3 years.

Where's the gamble and which deal sounds better? Is Dawson worth 2x the outlay of a player like Moutinho?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:59 pm

Schurrle was excellent on the Turf for Chelsea, I haven't seen him since he left but he looked a real player.

Probably suit Fulham's style of play more though.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:01 pm

Blburnrvrs wrote:So you'd pay one player 100k a week and leave the rest on a 40k ceiling.. That would make for a happy dressing room..

40k ceiling? fake news, it's not about paying players per week, you could essentially put the player worth 100k a week on the same wages as everyone else and structure the deal with a larger signing on fee to make up the remaining weekly wage.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:04 pm

KRBFC wrote:£3-5M fee for Moutinho on a 2 year deal, for arguments sake lets say he's on £100k p/w that's £10.4M over 2 years, give or take £14M for 2 years of Moutinho.

Dawson likely to cost £18-20M, £75k p/w which has been reported, I'm sure he'll get a 3 year deal given the fee and his age, £3.9M a year in wages, so £11.7M over 3 years. You're looking at about £30M outlay on Dawson for 3 years.

Dont break it down. People dont like it when its apparent we can get more for less from abroad.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:05 pm

Cheating. **** me ive seen it all

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:08 pm

As for pay disparity. It happens in every industry.

I cant believe people still think having players on more money than others is a problem. Its only a problem if you have the wrong character in the first place.

If an existing player is on 40k. And we bring in a top player on 70 then that can only be a good thing. Said top player will more likely help us achieve more and therefore maximise the other players exposure and potential future earnings too.

If my employer employed someone in my team on higher wages but they had more pedigree and would also help me be more succesful wtf would I care what they earn?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:11 pm

We won't pay Dawson £75k a week, he's not worth that quite simply.
He's only on about £40k a week as it stands now, so quite why you've pulled £75k a week out of your arse as a figure only you know.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:14 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:We won't pay Dawson £75k a week, he's not worth that quite simply.
He's only on about £40k a week as it stands now, so quite why you've pulled £75k a week out of your arse as a figure only you know.

It was in the weekend paper a couple of weeks back said that dawson demanding 75k a week so we have gone cold on the link . Thats why we are after mawson now according to the press

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:15 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:As for pay disparity. It happens in every industry.

I cant believe people still think having players on more money than others is a problem. Its only a problem if you have the wrong character in the first place.

If an existing player is on 40k. And we bring in a top player on 70 then that can only be a good thing. Said top player will more likely help us achieve more and therefore maximise the other players exposure and potential future earnings too.

If my employer employed someone in my team on higher wages but they had more pedigree and would also help me be more succesful wtf would I care what they earn?

Can't imagine why some players have contract clauses guaranteeing they're the highest paid players at their club...

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:16 pm

Blburnrvrs wrote:So you'd pay one player 100k a week and leave the rest on a 40k ceiling.. That would make for a happy dressing room..

So do other clubs all pay all players the maximum salaries? If other clubs and managers can deal with that problem, why can’t ours?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:16 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:It was in the weekend paper a couple of weeks back said that dawson demanding 75k a week so we have gone cold on the link . Thats why we are after mawson now according to the press

He can demand that all he likes, but we won't pay it, he isn't good enough to earn that money with us, or many other clubs.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:16 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:We won't pay Dawson £75k a week, he's not worth that quite simply.
He's only on about £40k a week as it stands now, so quite why you've pulled £75k a week out of your arse as a figure only you know.

The 75k a week figure was rumoured to be his demands Sidney.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:16 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Cheating. **** me ive seen it all

Yes it's cheating to spend the enormous amount of money income received for being in the PL.....

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:16 pm

Blburnrvrs wrote:Guess we should have made Bradley Dack honour the 6k a week contract he signed at league one level rather than doubling his pay upon promotion.

Not really. Because you reward success / promotion.

If he was a big part of that. and it was in his contract it wouod go up on promotion why wouldnt you honour it? And even if it wasnt but he was a major player for you why wouldnt you reward him?

Its not even complex economics.

If you dont pay the going rate eventually you wont end up with the required talent.

We need to be careful. And frugal. But the point is we can get better players abroad for much less. Even if their salary is higher.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:17 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:As for pay disparity. It happens in every industry.

I cant believe people still think having players on more money than others is a problem. Its only a problem if you have the wrong character in the first place.

If an existing player is on 40k. And we bring in a top player on 70 then that can only be a good thing. Said top player will more likely help us achieve more and therefore maximise the other players exposure and potential future earnings too.

If my employer employed someone in my team on higher wages but they had more pedigree and would also help me be more succesful wtf would I care what they earn?

If I had worked for my employer for 3 years and along with the rest of my team had achieved more than my previous colleagues had done for 50 years, and someone with a good reputation in the industry joined the company at more than double my salary, I would not be happy.

I would request a significant pay rise at the next opportunity. I expect the rest of my colleagues would do the same.

CardyTheClaret · Post by **CardyTheClaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:18 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:As for pay disparity. It happens in every industry.

I cant believe people still think having players on more money than others is a problem. Its only a problem if you have the wrong character in the first place.

If an existing player is on 40k. And we bring in a top player on 70 then that can only be a good thing. Said top player will more likely help us achieve more and therefore maximise the other players exposure and potential future earnings too.

If my employer employed someone in my team on higher wages but they had more pedigree and would also help me be more succesful wtf would I care what they earn?

Every industry isn’t the football industry though, is it? How you can compare your shitty job to that of a multi millionaire footballer is naive beyond belief.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:19 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:We won't pay Dawson £75k a week, he's not worth that quite simply.
He's only on about £40k a week as it stands now, so quite why you've pulled £75k a week out of your arse as a figure only you know.

It was a figure quoted in the press, for arguments sake, how about this...... if we sign Dawson for £16M+ and pay him £0 a week, he'll still cost more than Moutinho.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:19 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote:Every industry isn’t the football industry though, is it? How you can compare your shitty job to that of a multi millionaire footballer is naive beyond belief.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:20 pm

Dunno what Moutinho will be on wages wise or signing on bonuses etc.

I'm assuming you know?

It was about £60k a week at Monaco.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:21 pm

Rileybobs wrote:If I had worked for my employer for 3 years and along with the rest of my team had achieved more than my previous colleagues had done for 50 years, and someone with a good reputation in the industry joined the company at more than double my salary, I would not be happy.

I would request a significant pay rise at the next opportunity. I expect the rest of my colleagues would do the same.

So if (arguments sake) Fabregas became available this summer on a free but we had to pay him 100k a week we should turn the opportunity down in case Hendrick, Cork and Westwood want the same?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:21 pm

It’s also worth bearing in mind that our less ‘exciting’ signings have so far almost proven more successful than the marquee signings of other clubs that we compete with, in almost every case. Sometimes there’s more value in looking for players with experience of the English league and who are settled in the area, or at least the country.

That’s not to say we shouldn’t look abroad as it’s something I’d very much like to see us improve on. But throwing £100k + per week at European ‘superstars’ is not the route we should be going down at this stage.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:22 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote:Every industry isn’t the football industry though, is it? How you can compare your shitty job to that of a multi millionaire footballer is naive beyond belief.

Miaow......

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It’s also worth bearing in mind that our less ‘exciting’ signings have so far almost proven more successful than the marquee signings of other clubs that we compete with, in almost every case. Sometimes there’s more value in looking for players with experience of the English league and who are settled in the area, or at least the country.

That’s not to say we shouldn’t look abroad as it’s something I’d very much like to see us improve on. But throwing £100k + per week at European ‘superstars’ is not the route we should be going down at this stage.

To a large extent I agree fwiw.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:23 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Dunno what Moutinho will be on wages wise or signing on bonuses etc.

I'm assuming you know?

You're being petty here, arguing the ins and outs and ignoring the point entirely, forget I mentioned Dawson/Moutinho and apply the same logic used to any other 2 footballers.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:23 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:So if (arguments sake) Fabregas became available this summer on a free but we had to pay him 100k a week we should turn the opportunity down in case Hendrick, Cork and Westwood want the same?

Yeah because Fabregas is only good for a number of games and then he fades out for the rest of the season.

At least we know Cork and Westwood will turn up more often.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:23 pm

Blburnrvrs wrote:Absolutely spot on. Now you can stop critising Rovers for what they paid. It was essential.

I for one never have.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:23 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
That’s not to say we shouldn’t look abroad as it’s something I’d very much like to see us improve on. But throwing £100k + per week at European ‘superstars’ is not the route we should be going down at this stage.

Even if it's considerably cheaper than signing British based players?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:24 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Yeah because Fabregas is only good for a number of games and then he fades out for the rest of the season.

At least we know Cork and Westwood will turn up more often.

Please tell me this was a joke?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:24 pm

KRBFC wrote:You're being petty here, arguing the ins and outs and ignoring the point entirely, forget I mentioned Dawson/Moutinho and apply the same logic used to any other 2 footballers.

Moutinho was on £60k a week ish at Monaco, so he's gonna want a pay rise to sign for Wolves.

Not being petty, just asking if you knew.

I see what you're saying, but Wolves are able to throw money at it and not worry about what happens if the signing doesn't work out.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:26 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Please tell me this was a joke?

You probably only need two hands to count the number of stand out games he has in a season, often only one hand is needed.

He's a good player, but not consistent really.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:26 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Moutinho was on £60k a week ish at Monaco, so he's gonna want a pay rise to sign for Wolves.

Not being petty, just asking if you knew.

I see what you're saying, but Wolves are able to throw money at it and not worry about what happens if the signing doesn't work out.

Yeah so if he was on £60k p/w at Monaco and wanted a pay rise to sign for Wolves, I used £100k p/w as an estimation, it may even be less than £100k p/w and Moutinho is actually cheaper than I initially wrote which would enhance my point more.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:27 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You probably only need two hands to count the number of stand out games he has in a season, often only one hand is needed.

He's a good player, but not consistent really.

One of the best PL midfielders ever for me, wonderful player, more talent in his left finger than Westwood and Hendrick combined. One of the only consistent players I've seen play against us at the Turf.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:27 pm

KRBFC wrote:One of the best PL midfielders ever for me, wonderful player, more talent in his left finger than Westwood and Hendrick combined.

Yes he is a wonderful player, I just question his consistency not his ability.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:29 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:So if (arguments sake) Fabregas became available this summer on a free but we had to pay him 100k a week we should turn the opportunity down in case Hendrick, Cork and Westwood want the same?

Not necessarily, but it should be taken into consideration. It’s all very well saying that over the duration of the contract the players will have cost the same amount but it doesn’t work like that. Have you not considered cash flow? Transfer fees are structured in a way that accounts for this.

If we signed Fabregas on a free on a three year contract at £100k per week and we got relegated he would cost us £5m per year - a huge proportion of our parachute payment.

Then do we sign just one Fabregas? Is it worth completely smashing our wage structure for one player? Why not sign a couple more ‘superstars’? It’s a slippery slope and I don’t think that it’s really warranted considering how successful we have been doing things the way that we do them. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:31 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You probably only need two hands to count the number of stand out games he has in a season, often only one hand is needed.

He's a good player, but not consistent really.

Wow. This is what we are dealing with on this thread / forum.

He is probably one if not the best centre midfielder to have ever played in the premier league.

He is on another planet to any player thats ever played for us in living memory.

I was using him for arguments sake as to why it would be worth paying a big salary to a top talent. Not thinking someone would genuinely think Cork and Westwood are better and more consistent.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:34 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Wow. This is what we are dealing with on this thread / forum.

He is probably one if not the best centre midfielder to have ever played in the premier league.

He is on another planet to any player thats ever played for us in living memory.

I was using him for arguments sake as to why it would be worth paying a big salary to a top talent. Not thinking someone would genuinely think Cork and Westwood are better and more consistent.

Where did I say they were better?

As for saying wow, considering some of the ******** you come out with regularly that's laughable.