Brexit Food Shortages

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:43 am

To quote Alistair Campbell, it didn't say food shortages on the side of that big red bus, did it?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:48 am

FFS are there no limits to the scaremongering?

Denied airspace
Blockaded
Starved into submission

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:51 am

Part of me is glad that its being mentioned so that the various companies can stock up on food, but it won't be enough because there will be panic buying of stuff.

The other part of me is laughing that people still think this is a good idea.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:52 am

Anyone on here who works in logistics or road haulage and would like to tell me how this is going to work, feel free.

I did it for ten years and I can't see how it can. There are going to be shortages of everything.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:57 am

Perhaps people will buy British. I know that’s a bit radical ...

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:00 am

British bananas?

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:02 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Anyone on here who works in logistics or road haulage and would like to tell me how this is going to work, feel free.

I did it for ten years and I can't see how it can. There are going to be shortages of everything.

Because there will be an agreement that's how it will work. These politicians are just self serving time wasting nobodies, I can assure you that there will be an agreement.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:04 am

"There are going to he shortages of everything ". I'll just make a note of that.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:06 am

EU bananas?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:09 am

You make a note random

I'm comfortably expecting for people like you to concentrate on a small thing that might not have happened, whilst ignoring the completely massive things that have happened.

And any logistics experts on here who can explain how this is going to work? (Genuine question btw, my professional haulage head is fascinated about how this will work)

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:09 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Anyone on here who works in logistics or road haulage and would like to tell me how this is going to work, feel free.

I did it for ten years and I can't see how it can. There are going to be shortages of everything.

I'd imagine somebody who has never worked in logistics is more likely to tell you exactly how it will work.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:09 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:. There are going to be shortages of everything.

If Bullsh1t could fly, you'd be a pilot.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:10 am

Chobulous wrote:FFS are there no limits to the scaremongering?

Denied airspace
Blockaded
Starved into submission

Ha ha! Yeah, I wonder when the aliens will arrive and punish us for leaving. Do these remainers not understand that we have had the vote and they lost? Is there no appreciation of the democratic process? Will this pointless scaremongering and bitterness EVER stop? I read another great one yesterday where it was claimed that it would take 50 (yes that's fifty) years before we will see any economic benefit from leaving. Given that even the best economists in the world have difficulty predicting an economy for the next 5 years how the hell can anyone predict 50? It's just not possible.

And to think that the remainers claimed that people voted leave because they were lied to.
Pot - kettle - black?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:10 am

TheOriginalLongsider wrote:Perhaps people will buy British. I know that’s a bit radical ...

Indeed, that's why there's been all that investment to double our production in the next twelve months.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:16 am

It's quite laughable really. These same people made all the threats before Brexit, only now they have ramped it up a little bit more.

I predicted on the other thread that this was coming.... project fear mk11 - The Overdrive!

They are going spend the next few weeks trying to make no deal sound impossible, even though many countries throughout the world trade on WTO without any problems.

They could use a little common sense at the ports and create priority lanes for essential perishable goods, like food and medicines. Employ extra staff to take the burden, just until an agreement is reached.

This scaremongering is going to keep coming thick and fast, but we didn't fall for it once, so I doubt we will again.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:17 am

Stock piling

IF

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There's no deal.

There will be.

And IF

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There isn't. It's simply sensible preparations.

Remoaners - you can cancel the communal hissy fit.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:17 am

houseboy wrote:I read another great one yesterday where it was claimed that it would take 50 (yes that's fifty) years before we will see any economic benefit from leaving. Given that even the best economists in the world have difficulty predicting an economy for the next 5 years how the hell can anyone predict 50? It's just not possible.

Dunno, but it was your poster boy Jacob Rees-Mogg that used the 50 year time frame.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:18 am

Folk will have to learn how to manage their resources properly - like people used to have to do.

The amount of food waste we produce is unbelievable, unnecessary and unsustainable.

I voted remain yet Brexit can be a force for good if it means we challenge the modern throwaway society. Also keeping the financial purchasing chain in the domestic market has a knock on benefit for everyone.

Competition is great for driving down the price of goods but there has to be a point where we look beyond the final price of goods as being the only benefit.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:19 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: There are going to be shortages of everything.

We know where to come to if we've run out of soiled nappies. Calm down you girl!

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:21 am

Where will I buy my foie gras from ?

Probably the only thing I can't by from outside the EU.

OMG, forgot about the Benedictine !! Oh well, their sales will just have to suffer.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:22 am

burnleymik wrote:
They could use a little common sense at the ports and create priority lanes for essential perishable goods, like food and medicines. Employ extra staff to take the burden, just until an agreement is reached.

But even with ‘a little common sense’ it takes longer and is more expensive to get goods through than it is now. Businesses in the U.K. are optimised for frictionless trade with the EU. You introduce even a little bit of friction and it has a big impact.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:23 am

This thread is going to be a belter.

Every single brexiteer on here form the slightly mis-informed to full on mentalists is going to tell me that the article in the guardian* about food, medicine and blood shortages is *********

*Its in the Daily Telegraph, the Brexit paper

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:26 am

If you want bananas, I'll smuggle you some from Ireland, but they'll cost you

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:27 am

I want your number CnBruntu!

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:28 am

martin_p wrote:But even with ‘a little common sense’ it takes longer and is more expensive to get goods through than it is now. Businesses in the U.K. are optimised for frictionless trade with the EU. You introduce even a little bit of friction and it has a big impact.

Granted, but it's not going to be the scenario they are trying to paint. Rations, shortages, famine. There are a number of measures they could introduce to ease the burden.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:29 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:This thread is going to be a belter.

Every single brexiteer on here form the slightly mis-informed to full on mentalists is going to tell me that the article in the guardian* about food, medicine and blood shortages is *********

*Its in the Daily Telegraph, the Brexit paper

Quick bulk buy the Guardian! It's going to run out!!

"There's going to be shortages of everything"

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:30 am

TheOriginalLongsider wrote:Perhaps people will buy British. I know that’s a bit radical ...

A bit radical? Well I suppose it is given that we import a quarter of our food from the EU.
Anyway, Brexit is going to be so easy and the aftermath is going to be great - keep saying this and it will make the food queues seems shorter.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:30 am

burnleymik wrote:Granted, but it's not going to be the scenario they are trying to paint. Rations, shortages, famine. There are a number of measures they could introduce to ease the burden.

Well I don’t think anyone has been talking about famine. So what are these measures?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:32 am

CnBtruntru wrote:If you want bananas, I'll smuggle you some from Ireland, but they'll cost you

They'd better not be straight.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:33 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Quick bulk buy the Guardian! It's going to run out!!

"There's going to be shortages of everything"

Funny, but when someone takes something you say literally you cry ‘pedant’. Clearly it won’t be literally everything, but it could be a lot.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:34 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:They'd better not be straight.

You want your bananas gay?

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:39 am

martin_p wrote:Well I don’t think anyone has been talking about famine. So what are these measures?

More ferries/cargo ships, the fast track lane, with more staff at the ports. Fly in essentials of medicine, blood etc. There are probably numerous other things they could do to ease the burden.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:44 am

martin_p wrote:Dunno, but it was your poster boy Jacob Rees-Mogg that used the 50 year time frame.

I know and I can't for the life in me fathom out why he would make such a ridiculous prediction. No one in this world can make a 50 year economic forecast. I'm willing to bet that in 50 years the EU itself will be a distant memory.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:44 am

martin_p wrote:Funny, but when someone takes something you say literally you cry ‘pedant’. Clearly it won’t be literally everything, but it could be a lot.

I'd let lancs fight his own battles Marty. You know what happens when you step in.

You claim things like " I don't remember the Leave campaign saying we're going to leave the ECHR when we leave the EU!"

Then I was obliged to inform you that the ECHR isn't part of the European Union, and that even Russia is a signatory.!!!

It never ends well for you Marty.

Current score 9.0

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:44 am

Well if we crash out without a deal, a food shortage will be inevitable.

But it's ok, because I seem to remember a lot of leave voters saying they were prepared to take a 'short term hit' to make Brexit a reality. Well, this could be your chance to take your 'short term hit' hit for the good of the country.

Let all your remain voting friends have first dibs on whatever food there is left, and you can just try and survive on the scraps.

Fair's fair, right?

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:45 am

We go to WTO, like the rest of the world, and prices will increase - I think that's an accepted outcome given the tariffs that will be imposed. Rich people will be ok, they will just have to pay more. Poorer people will adjust their spending accordingly, perhaps more tinned food and homegrown veg like turnips, swede, beetroots etc. inflation will go up but it's not the end of the world, it will just take a bit of adjustment.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:46 am

burnleymik wrote:More ferries/cargo ships, the fast track lane, with more staff at the ports. Fly in essentials of medicine, blood etc. There are probably numerous other things they could do to ease the burden.

Is there some huge stockpile of unused ferries/cargo ships? (I genuinely don’t know but would doubt it). If not we’d better start building them now. Where are these extra staff coming from and who’s going to pay for them? (the answer to that last part is us). Bringing in more goods sounds very much like ‘stockpiling’.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:49 am

Burnley Ace wrote:We go to WTO, like the rest of the world, and prices will increase - I think that's an accepted outcome given the tariffs that will be imposed. Rich people will be ok, they will just have to pay more. Poorer people will adjust their spending accordingly, perhaps more tinned food and homegrown veg like turnips, swede, beetroots etc. inflation will go up but it's not the end of the world, it will just take a bit of adjustment.

Yes, but the rest of the world has systems and prices to reflect the fact they’re on WTO. We don’t!

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:50 am

martin_p wrote:Is there some huge stockpile of unused ferries/cargo ships? (I genuinely don’t know but would doubt it). If not we’d better start building them now. Where are these extra staff coming from and who’s going to pay for them? (the answer to that last part is us). Bringing in more goods sounds very much like ‘stockpiling’.

Well there are certainly a few ports that could be utilised further and as far as I was aware ships didn't belong to countries, they belonged to private companies....

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:51 am

burnleymik wrote:There are probably numerous other things they could do to ease the burden.

Burden? I never saw that written on the side of a bus.

Anyway, it's going to be great - Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Star and The Sun told me so. Also, at least Brexit will sort out our obesity crisis. See, every cloud has a silver lining...

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:51 am

martin_p wrote:Yes, but the rest of the world has systems and prices to reflect the fact they’re on WTO. We don’t!

The only reason we don't, as yet, is because of the utter incompetence of this government to put anything in place for a no deal scenario.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:54 am

Billy Balfour wrote:Burden? I never saw that written on the side of a bus.

Anyway, it's going to be great - Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Star and The Sun told me so. Also, at least Brexit will sort out our obesity crisis. See, every cloud has a silver lining...

Yes, the burden of the extra strain on the ports, whilst changes take effect. Not rocket science that it was always going to happen, if we have to make changes.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:54 am

I used to work for a freight ferry company doing EU trade.

The amount of roll on-roll off ferries that were not already involved in contracts tended to be nil.

I seriously doubt that has changed, but like I said, I'd need a current expert to tell me more up to date info.

I don't think Burnleymik is that expert if both of us are being fair here.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:56 am

burnleymik wrote:Well there are certainly a few ports that could be utilised further and as far as I was aware ships didn't belong to countries, they belonged to private companies....

They still need building!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:00 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:You make a note random

I'm comfortably expecting for people like you to concentrate on a small thing that might not have happened, whilst ignoring the completely massive things that have happened.

And any logistics experts on here who can explain how this is going to work? (Genuine question btw, my professional haulage head is fascinated about how this will work)

It will work. There are many hundreds (thousands?) of companies in Europe that do business with British companies, many of them mainly, so if the bullying EU decided that they can't do business with Britain there could be company failures leading to mass unemployment. The EU simply can't afford for companies in Europe to not trade with us. I have said this all along amongst all the scaremongering from the remain side. An agreement will be reached, not just for the good of Britain but for the good of the EU.
Scenario: a company in Italy trades with a company or companies in Britain - they do 90% of their business with Britain - they employ 50 people - the EU says 'sorry, you have to stop trading with Britain' - the company owner says 'yes, but we will go bankrupt if we don't and all our workers will become unemployed - the EU says 'tough, you can't trade with Britain' - said company cannot find enough customers from elsewhere fast enough and goes under - 50 people are out of work. Multiply this by all the other similar companies in Italy and all the other EU nations.
THIS is why agreement will be reached, because if the EU are so arrogant as to allow that to happen why would anyone want to be a member?
Britain can survive outside the EU and the EU can get by without us being in it but it will seriously damage the EU economy if they allow the above scenario to happen.

That is why it will work.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:02 am

Houseboy, every political commentator I follow on twitter is now saying there are only two real possible solutions because of the deadlocks in the Conservatives party and the electorate. That includes uber Brexiteers all the way through to the uber remainers.

That is either "No deal" or "No Brexit".

Any deal that will get past the red lines of the UK Govt will not get past the red lines of the EU, and vice versa.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:05 am

martin_p wrote:You want your bananas gay?

I prefer them bi-sexual actually. Better for making banana splits.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:14 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:I prefer them bi-sexual actually. Better for making banana splits.

A banana that bends both ways is the very definition of a perfect post-Brexit banana!

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:18 am

burnleymik wrote:Well there are certainly a few ports that could be utilised further

I think it's likely we'll see deliveries to the Burnley Tesco and Colne Asda coming in on the canal.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:30 am

there will be a deal but it will be nowhere near as good as the one we have now.