game report in Daily mail

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:25 pm

some quality pics in there.

The challenge on Pope looks very poor
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... liser.html

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:36 pm

So the Mail is reporting the pen was given for handball!

claret10 · Post by **claret10** » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:37 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:some quality pics in there.

The challenge on Pope looks very poor
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... liser.html

The injury was caused by contact with Tarkowski wasn't it?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:38 pm

not sure, looks to me as though the guy is studding Tarkowski's head into Pope

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:16 am

martin_p wrote:So the Mail is reporting the pen was given for handball!

The caption says handball, but the report says it was for climbing on Devlin.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:31 am

Thats a terrible report, who's author resembles a skill level of a trainee reporter

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:32 am

We go a full season (and more) without one of those penalty thingies and Aberdeen get a soft one after about 20 mins of their first competitive game of the season, hope some of that luck rubs off on us over the next 10 months or so!

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:42 am

That report is dredful, fails to mention;
Every picture of us inside their area we are being fouled.
The picture of Tarks handballing it, doesnt show tarks handballing it, i still havent seen one yet.
High foot is a high foot, studs in head like that is a yellow card.
We bossed it, absolute turd from the scallygraph

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:43 am

Pope caused his own downfall. Messed up.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:36 am

Not sure what folk are wound up about. Apart from the handball error it is a fair assessment of the match.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:07 am

I did explain last week its a pub side we are playing with a flagrant disregard for football rules as we know them
Hindsight always 20 20 but maybe Nick shouldn't have started

Transpennine · Post by **Transpennine** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:34 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:I did explain last week its a pub side we are playing with a flagrant disregard for football rules as we know them
Hindsight always 20 20 but maybe Nick shouldn't have started

what universe would you be in; to consider not starting with pope last night?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:49 am

Transpennine wrote:what universe would you be in; to consider not starting with pope last night?

Perhaps a universe where someone 2 days back from holiday may not be ready for a really important work assignment. Should have started on the bench

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:56 am

So you'd have started a keeper whose last competitive game was what? 468 days ago? (or whenever it was) for Preston in the championship?

Stan Tastic · Post by **Stan Tastic** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:59 am

That is the most inaccurate report of a football game I've ever seen.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:04 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:So you'd have started a keeper whose last competitive game was what? 468 days ago? (or whenever it was) for Preston in the championship?

Absolutely. If he’s ready for the bench he’s ready to play. Obviously hindsight but I would have used Pope next week. It’s not like the bloke has no experience given he’s played in the champions league before.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:06 am

But he's never played for us.

And it showed most obviously when Mee expected him to come for a ball and he didn't and Aberdeen had their only real chance from.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:08 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Absolutely. If he’s ready for the bench he’s ready to play. Obviously hindsight but I would have used Pope next week. It’s not like the bloke has no experience given he’s played in the champions league before.

You are suggesting Pope should have been on the bench and to quote you "If he’s ready for the bench he’s ready to play"??

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:09 am

That was Mee’s mistake.

Get your point but it’s about opinions and I don’t think Pope was ready. If it was an outfield player would he have started?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:12 am

Goobs wrote:You are suggesting Pope should have been on the bench and to quote you "If he’s ready for the bench he’s ready to play"??

It’s my opinion. Pope needed to get back into the training for at least a week. There’s even an argument for having the 4th choice on the bench but I would have took the risk of Pope on the bench. As I say an opinion but Pope didn’t look his normal self from the first minute and now we may lose him for months

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:14 am

Yeah it was, but Mee expected the keeper to come because that is what he is used to.

And no, of course an outfield player wouldn't have played but being the keeper whose been to the world cup, he's not exactly short of fitness (no shock that JBG looked our best player with his WC experience)

edison · Post by **edison** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:17 am

Pic caption: Vokes volleys the ball after it falls kindly for him in the Aberdeen penalty area on 80 minutes

Falls kindly. Seriously. They are going above and beyond to make it sound like we were lucky, or didn;t deserve a draw

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:20 am

I think JBG had more than 2 days training so I’m not sure what comparison that is given I have said Pope should play next week after less time back than JBG.

The reality is our 3rd choice keeper has European experience and I would have played him. Good job I’m not the Manager but we should be thankful we have that sort of quality as 3rd choice. We have come a long way.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:23 am

Tall Paul wrote:The caption says handball, but the report says it was for climbing on Devlin.

Nobody has any idea what the penalty was for. This is why referrees should be writing reports on games, which are available to the clubs for reasons of transparency (I think making them available to the public is a step too far). There is no way the ref can rationally argue that penalty decision, and should be reprimanded. If I’d have made an error like that at work, I’d expect to be in front of the boss

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:13 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:But he's never played for us.

And it showed most obviously when Mee expected him to come for a ball and he didn't and Aberdeen had their only real chance from.

Didn't he play at curzon Ashton ....?

CJW · Post by **CJW** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:27 am

Hibsclaret wrote: The reality is our 3rd choice keeper has European experience and I would have played him.

I'm sorry, I just don't get this and I've seen it written frequently.
What on Earth has his "European experience" got to do with a trip to Aberdeen and what would it bring to the team?

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:27 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Thats a terrible report, who's author resembles a skill level of a trainee reporter

I hope that's meant to be humorous.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:34 am

CJW wrote:I'm sorry, I just don't get this and I've seen it written frequently.
What on Earth has his "European experience" got to do with a trip to Aberdeen and what would it bring to the team?

Nothing.....apart for that very good save he made.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:36 am

CJW wrote:I'm sorry, I just don't get this and I've seen it written frequently.
What on Earth has his "European experience" got to do with a trip to Aberdeen and what would it bring to the team?

Great I get that you have a different opinion. A message board is about opinions and I don’t get why you don’t get that European experience is relevant to a European game ( our first one in 50 years). Perhaps if you have seen it written frequently a number of people do get this....

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:05 pm

I was surprised to see Nick Pope in the squad, never mind in the starting XI. I was expecting Anders Lindegaard to start - given Tom Heaton's injury. I was looking forward to our 3rd choice keeping showing what he can do.

As for Ben Mee leaving it for the keeper - I've never seen him do that without a shout. No CB should be giving chances like that.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:17 pm

Vintage Claret wrote:We go a full season (and more) without one of those penalty thingies and Aberdeen get a soft one after about 20 mins of their first competitive game of the season, hope some of that luck rubs off on us over the next 10 months or so!

There is three certainties in life death,taxes and Burnley not getting penalties.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:06 pm

"At this stage, Burnley midfielder Jeff Hendrick looked his team's most progressive player, but he was sacrificed for Vokes and it was a move that paid off."

Hendrick was our most progressive player? Really?!

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:27 pm

jlup1980 wrote:"At this stage, Burnley midfielder Jeff Hendrick looked his team's most progressive player, but he was sacrificed for Vokes and it was a move that paid off."

Hendrick was our most progressive player? Really?!

Ultimate proof that the daily mail send reporters with blindfolds

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:26 pm

Hendrick got Burnley MOM from the 4 reports in Scottish newspapers I read in WH Smith here in Aberdeen

LongSider75 · Post by **LongSider75** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:52 pm

They didn't give a **** about football, they just wanted to kick the **** out of us. Very similar team to Lincoln in my opinion. Cosgrove was an absolute disgrace. We stick to playing football next week. and we will be going to Istanbul. UTC

CJW · Post by **CJW** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:54 am

Hibsclaret wrote: Perhaps if you have seen it written frequently a number of people do get this....

I think you may be missing what I'm trying (badly) to say.
Surely, to these pro-footballers, a trip to play Aberdeen is barely different to, say, a mid-week trip to Plymouth or Exeter and that "European experience" has been become something of an overused phrased in this context?
Now, maybe (definitely), a trip Turkey requires this much vaunted "European experience" but Aberdeen???

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:06 am

CJW wrote:I think you may be missing what I'm trying (badly) to say.
Surely, to these pro-footballers, a trip to play Aberdeen is barely different to, say, a mid-week trip to Plymouth or Exeter and that "European experience" has been become something of an overused phrased in this context?
Now, maybe (definitely), a trip Turkey requires this much vaunted "European experience" but Aberdeen???

I was pointing out that Lindegaard was experienced enough to start the game and I thought he should have started...he played for Man U in likely some of their midweek ventures to the likes of Exeter in the League cup. I think the point got lost by focusing on the word European in the point I made

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:39 am

IanMcL wrote:Pope caused his own downfall. Messed up.

What? By being fouled whilst trying to catch a deflection? The forward (in my opinion) isn't challenging for the ball, he's jumping into Pope.
Foul should have been given at that point.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:22 am

boatshed bill wrote:What? By being fouled whilst trying to catch a deflection? The forward (in my opinion) isn't challenging for the ball, he's jumping into Pope.
Foul should have been given at that point.

Pope parried the ball, in the first place. It bounced a little further away than he could handle. Attacker coming in. Pipe bounds forward to punch the ball away. Tarkowski had got there to keep the attacker away from the ball. Pope's arm is over the top of Tarkowski's shoulder, as the punch is made. Bingo.

Not sure you can get a FK for colliding with your own defender.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:58 pm

LongSider75 wrote:They didn't give a **** about football, they just wanted to kick the **** out of us. Very similar team to Lincoln in my opinion. Cosgrove was an absolute disgrace. We stick to playing football next week. and we will be going to Istanbul. UTC

Agreed. Lincoln and their fat lad ruffled our feathers and got away with some shocking challenges. Can't afford to let the same thing happen again.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:20 pm

IanMcL wrote:Pope parried the ball, in the first place. It bounced a little further away than he could handle. Attacker coming in. Pipe bounds forward to punch the ball away. Tarkowski had got there to keep the attacker away from the ball. Pope's arm is over the top of Tarkowski's shoulder, as the punch is made. Bingo.

Not sure you can get a FK for colliding with your own defender.

Ian, if you can't see that Cosgrave jumps into Pope and fouls him by doing so, can I suggest you stick to watching Aussie Rules, where that sort of challenge is acceptable?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:31 pm

It is now, also, a media consensus that it was the collision with Tarkowski, which caused the injury.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:53 pm

IanMcL wrote:It is now, also, a media consensus that it was the collision with Tarkowski, which caused the injury.

I don't doubt that, Ian, but the whistle would already have been blown for the initial foul.
If you have Clarets Player check out the incident again, and tell me honestly if you think Cosgrave jumps in to Pope or not.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:59 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Perhaps a universe where someone 2 days back from holiday may not be ready for a really important work assignment. Should have started on the bench

Do you think that Pope not being ready for this work assignment in any way led to him being injured?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:28 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Do you think that Pope not being ready for this work assignment in any way led to him being injured?

Perhaps. He didn’t look as assured as normal to me from the off tbh.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:38 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Do you think that Pope not being ready for this work assignment in any way led to him being injured?

Would the challenge on him have been any different?
If Ashley Barnes had done that the media would have had a field day.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:37 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I don't doubt that, Ian, but the whistle would already have been blown for the initial foul.
If you have Clarets Player check out the incident again, and tell me honestly if you think Cosgrave jumps in to Pope or not.

It's gone now and I am not intent on watching again. The key point for me is that the injury was Pipe/Tarkowski and the initial error was Pope's. That presented a opportunity for the striker to have a go. Pope got in first to punch his error away and paid the consequences.

No blame on the Aberdeen player.