Dyche interview on sky

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:53 am

Ronaldo was the main one I think, as for the others in believe Chelsea and United offered a higher salary, with Mahrez we've been lucky because of the injury he picked up, but you can understand him going to City although my sources tell me that we offered him £1.25 M a week.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:57 am

Should this still be an issue? I thought that after finishing 7th and with the Europa League campaign it might make it easier to sign players. We're coming into our 3rd consecutive PL season - it shouldn't be this difficult to bring players in. So yes, it has to be that Dyche has a very
small list of specific targets in mind. We'll have to be patient and judge Dyche and his team when the window closes.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:14 am

Stockbrokerbelt wrote:Do we all think it’s only Burnley, Dyche & our recruitment team who are struggling to sign players? Take one look at slapped arse face moaning that Manure are struggling to get the players he wants or Man City failing to land the lad from Napoli, football fees are false at the moment & can’t stay at this level as only a few wealthy owners will carry on putting money into greedy agents & players pockets. We only need to see the finances of clubs who are run as a loss making entertity for the mega rich, ask Malaga fans if they would want the Saudi royals in charge again.

I would say that Burnley are indeed one of the few teams struggling to sign players, yes. Of all the PL teams, only Spurs and Burnley are yet to make a signing this summer.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:31 am

IndigoLake wrote:I would say that Burnley are indeed one of the few teams struggling to sign players, yes. Of all the PL teams, only Spurs and Burnley are yet to make a signing this summer.

However, Leicester fans are complaining that they haven't replaced Mahrez and are worried that Maguire going will leave a big hole in their defence.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:40 am

The expression is "fix the roof whilst the sunshine", Spijed.

Leicester have lost their best player this summer, and may lose one of their best defenders. Their problem is replacing them - but they've still brought players in (including Jonny Evans, who was presumably signed with Maguire's departure in mind).

We've had a summer where (unusually) as it stands we've not lost anyone (other than depth in the midfield area, and of course we've still not actually covered the gap in the squad Keane left, but for now we'll leave that aside), and we didn't actually need to do much strengthening. Given contract situations, that may not be the case next summer.

So if we've got to make up for the shortcomings of this summer's business then as well as cover the departures, we will be leaving ourselves one hell of a task. If we can't bring in 3-4 players in a quiet summer, only one or two of whom we're expecting to go straight into the first XI, what chance do you give us of bringing in 3-4 players to immediately replace first team fixtures?

That's the medium term concern from a bad summer this summer. The short term concern is that an injury at centre back on 10 August and we'll have no credible back up on the bench. Ditto an injury on the wing and, if we're going to play 3 in midfield, an injury in the centre of midfield. That's 3 areas of the team where we are risking starting one injury away from a crisis. Not sure that can ever be considered good enough.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:54 am

Tall Paul wrote:FFP doesn't apply to the Premier League.

Well profit & sustainability rules under that guise, the point still stands, can't afford to be signing Messi ect, in the event of them wanting to reside in sunny lancs climes.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:58 am

claretspice wrote:The short term concern is that an injury at centre back on 10 August and we'll have no credible back up on the bench. Ditto an injury on the wing and, if we're going to play 3 in midfield, an injury in the centre of midfield. That's 3 areas of the team where we are risking starting one injury away from a crisis. Not sure that can ever be considered good enough.

It's quite embarrassing that we've not addressed these three areas. Losing Nkoudou and Arfield leaves us much weaker out wide. Defour hasn't proved his fitness and we've not even got Dean Marney we can throw on the bench. There's no point reiterating our centre half shortcomings as everyone knows about them. I'm really pleased that Dunne, O'Neill and McNeil are doing well in pre season but we can't seriously be considering making them all first teamers?! Things are looking bad at the moment and we have a week and a half to rectify this. I only hope we can!!

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:59 am

We don't seem to be able to sign our own vice captain that no one else seems to want. If we don't do that and/or get another cb in this window then many will conclude that our board has lost the plot. As well we need to create and score more goals. We need 4 new players now. Pretty much everyone knows what need to be done.

If we don't do it, the best thing we can do us get out of the EL asap, in order to focus on a tough PL season.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:46 am

patience, sportsfans, patience.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:49 am

Its january 2015 all over again.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:54 am

quoonbeatz wrote:patience, sportsfans, patience.

Quite right Quoon, but there's been lots of patience preached this summer- but the manager's recent comments do not suggest it is all just a matter of time. And there's not much of it left.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:57 am

Boden tweeted yesterday that we are still after Jay-Rod.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:59 am

He sounds pretty frustrated, like we all are.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:00 am

claretspice wrote:Quite right Quoon, but there's been lots of patience preached this summer- but the manager's recent comments do not suggest it is all just a matter of time. And there's not much of it left.

not saying it is just a matter of time spice but there's really no point in getting too bothered about something that hasn't happened yet.

our transfer window dealings generally always go right to the wire as circumstances dictate.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:02 am

quoonbeatz wrote:not saying it is just a matter of time spice but there's really no point in getting too bothered about something that hasn't happened yet.

our transfer window dealings generally always go right to the wire as circumstances dictate.

Not sure circumstances do dictate that all[u our business goes to the wire. Some always will, not all should or must. Thats really the point here.

By not bringing in a player or two by now we're going to have to spin many more plates as the window closes. That is a distraction from the key transactions, apart from anything else.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:04 am

7th in the PL, best english manager with great track record in developing to england squad, european football and still can't even get our own vice captain to commit never mind new talent in. Manager making concerning comments even if in code. Who is for happy clapper starting 11?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:07 am

Spinning plates in the uk whilst possibly in turkey ain't easy.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:12 am

claretspice wrote:Not sure circumstances do dictate that all[u our business goes to the wire. Some always will, not all should or must. Thats really the point here.

By not bringing in a player or two by now we're going to have to spin many more plates as the window closes. That is a distraction from the key transactions, apart from anything else.

literally every window for the past however many years has been the same for most clubs. the majority of moves happen in and around the last week.

with us its the key transactions that usually are the ones that happen near to the window closing - hendrick, wood, brady, westwood, lennon - all signed around deadline day. (wood was the week before and defour was 2 weeks before).

like everyone else, i'd rather we had our targets in the building ahead of pre-season but it hardly ever works like that at any club. important thing is we get them in by the deadline and if we don't, then is the time to kick off about it. frustrating but its not panic stations just yet.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:16 am

quoonbeatz wrote:literally every window for the past however many years has been the same for most clubs. the majority of moves happen in and around the last week.

with us its the key transactions that usually are the ones that happen near to the window closing - hendrick, wood, brady, westwood, lennon - all signed around deadline day. (wood was the week before and defour was 2 weeks before).

Correct. Normally the key ones - or some of them, given that as we found last season, going to the wire carries a risk business doesnt get done.

This year, all our business. Including bringing in cover in midfield and out wide and possibly in goal. With us out of the country the last 36 hours of the window.

Time yet, but we aren't half cutting it fine now.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:19 am

Raz wrote:Not sure this holds true for us...Chris Wood as an example...so 15 million for four years for Wood, works out over 70k per week, he is on 35k pre bonuses, so if true... then his year end bosses would have to be substantial. Also if we are out in the market in this range we should be able to capture some players if we were really paying over 70k all up per week....don't think we are...he was on 8.5k at Leeds...

Probably not all the time it doesn’t. When buying from down the FL. You’re right in that Wood wouldnt be on that. But when clubs try to buy players (Burnley) from other PL teams its a problem. The players will already be on good wages at their current club.

If a player in the PL is getting payed pretty decent wages eg £35,000 a week and a club comes after him. That player will want a wage increase. A £20m player would want roughly that. Look at Michael Keane. He wasnt on a huge amount here, went to Everton for about £30m and he’d be getting about that over the course of the contract.

To sign Mawson at £18m on £80,000 a week would be ridiculous. To sit on the bench whilst our best CH is running down his contract. Imagine Ben Mees position in contract talks. He’d be daft to sign for anything less than £100k a week

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:28 am

summitclaret wrote:Spinning plates in the uk whilst possibly in turkey ain't easy.

If only there was some sort of device that allowed instant worldwide communication. Then it'd be a doddle.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:33 am

Tall Paul wrote:If only there was some sort of device that allowed instant worldwide communication. Then it'd be a doddle.

Not sure theres one available that enables you to meet your top target face to face, spend a couple of hours with him, cook him an omelette and otherwise convince him to sign. And there wont be time to repeat that 4 tines next week with each of the players we'd ideally like to bring in.

What probably ends up happening here is we abandon attempts to bring in cover where its not 100% essential and end up focusing on a couple of core targets.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:34 am

claretspice wrote:Not sure theres one available that enables you to meet your top target face to face, spend a couple of hours with him, cook him an omelette and otherwise convince him to sign. And there wont be time to repeat that 4 tines next week with each of the players we'd ideally like to bring in.

What probably ends up happening here is we abandon attempts to bring in cover where its not 100% essential and end up focusing on a couple of core targets.

Absolutely spot on.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:42 am

claretspice wrote:Not sure theres one available that enables you to meet your top target face to face, spend a couple of hours with him, cook him an omelette and otherwise convince him to sign. And there wont be time to repeat that 4 tines next week with each of the players we'd ideally like to bring in.

What probably ends up happening here is we abandon attempts to bring in cover where its not 100% essential and end up focusing on a couple of core targets.

Do you really think that SD's missus (or was it SD himself?) cooks omlettes for all our potential signings? Maybe they've run out of eggs and that's why we haven't signed anyone yet.

Things move quickly on transfer deadline day and if it gets to that stage we'll either have already met the top targets and done all that or it'd be too late to do it anyway.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:43 am

Post 26 is typical happy clapper. I raised a reasonable point. Our manager and chairman being abroad if we have not got what our manager says he needs and can do nothing about it until 2019 would be crazy.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:44 am

Tall Paul wrote:Do you really think that SD's missus (or was it SD himself?) cooks omlettes for all our potential signings? Maybe they've run out of eggs and that's why we haven't signed anyone yet.

Things move quickly on transfer deadline day and if it gets to that stage we'll either have already met the top targets and done all that or it'd be too late to do it anyway.

The omelette bit was clearly tongue in cheek.

But the points relevant. We are about to spend millions of pounds on players (hopefully). I would at least want our manager and or chairman to meet him to conclude the deal. Both of which should also be in istanbul if we are there.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:46 am

levraiclaret wrote:Because for a club of our standing and location, deals occur at the last minute.

This excuse always makes me laugh and is usually spun out by the clapper brigade. At the same time they like to remind us we are a stable club who finished 7th and qualified for Europe and are not relegation favourites this year.

Is it the location then that is our issue? Blackburn must be far more beautiful that Burnley then because they never had any issues attracting players. Hudderfield don't seem to be having issues, again it must be because they are so much more attractive than Burnley.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:47 am

Tall Paul wrote:Do you really think that SD's missus (or was it SD himself?) cooks omlettes for all our potential signings? Maybe they've run out of eggs and that's why we haven't signed anyone yet.

Things move quickly on transfer deadline day and if it gets to that stage we'll either have already met the top targets and done all that or it'd be too late to do it anyway.

It was a direct, humourous reference to how Dyche famously wooed Joey Barton, which i think most people got. But the wider point is these deals take time and the personal touch can be crucial where you arent waving the biggest chequebook. Leaving all things to the last minute dilutes your ability to do that properly.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:47 am

dyche hasn't met all our signings face to face before, why does he need to start now?

and what if he's already met some of our targets?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:50 am

quoonbeatz wrote:dyche hasn't met all our signings face to face before, why does he need to start now?

and what if he's already met some of our targets?

Great. What if he needs to do so again?

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:51 am

claretspice wrote:Great. What if he needs to do so again?

augmented reality headsets.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:59 am

claretspice wrote:It was a direct, humourous reference to how Dyche famously wooed Joey Barton, which i think most people got. But the wider point is these deals take time and the personal touch can be crucial where you arent waving the biggest chequebook. Leaving all things to the last minute dilutes your ability to do that properly.

I got the reference.

So if it gets to transfer deadline day and we haven't done all that it won't make a difference if SD and the squad are in Turkey.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:03 am

claretspice wrote:It was a direct, humourous reference to how Dyche famously wooed Joey Barton, which i think most people got. But the wider point is these deals take time and the personal touch can be crucial where you arent waving the biggest chequebook. Leaving all things to the last minute dilutes your ability to do that properly.

How much face to face contact would Dyche have had with Defour prior to him signing?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:09 am

God. People are getting desperate now to defend tbe club. Is the best you can do?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:10 am

Tall Paul wrote:FFP doesn't apply to the Premier League.

There's a form of FFP in the premier league. Wages can only increase by a certain amount each year regardless of how much TV money increases by.

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:11 am

Look at the positives, we are heading for a record breaking profit for a premier league team and following this interview all agents will be now aware we are desperate and therefore we wont have to send out the urgently seeking players e-mail just before the deadline.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:15 am

summitclaret wrote:God. People are getting desperate now to defend tbe club. Is the best you can do?

I wasn't necessarily defending the club, I was arguing against your stupid comment that it'd be difficult to conclude deals when SD and the squad are in Turkey.

If it's face to face contact that is required I'm sure they'll be able to use Skype or similar.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:25 am

Spijed wrote:How much face to face contact would Dyche have had with Defour prior to him signing?

Not sure, but would you move ro a foreign country to work for someone youd never met if you had another option that you were more familiar with?

Im a bit staggered anyone is debating the idea that spreading ourselves thinly in the last week or so of the market is sub-optimal, to be honest.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:34 am

claretspice wrote:Im a bit staggered anyone is debating the idea that spreading ourselves thinly in the last week or so of the market is sub-optimal, to be honest.

I'm not sure anyone is. I wasn't, just pointing out that, with today's technology, the physical location of the people involved in doing a deal isn't a factor.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:38 pm

Jesus Christ! There’s some right knockers on this thread. Yes it’s been a frustrating window so far but it’s far from over. SD wants certain players. These players appear to be very difficult to buy at the moment. Some players chose to go somewhere else. Get over it! Some of you appear to be almost in tears for Christ sake!!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:51 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I'm not sure anyone is. I wasn't, just pointing out that, with today's technology, the physical location of the people involved in doing a deal isn't a factor.

But it is a factor. The idea that Skype, a telephone or any similar technology is a substitute for meeting someone face to face in all circumstances doesn't get off first base. We'll certainly be able to close the transactional bits of a deal whilst the first team are in Turkey; no doubt Dyche will be able to speak to someone to close down a few hanging points on a deal. But it will be very, very difficult for him to sell the club to someone who is wavering via that means. Indeed, the fact we've got a significant game which will take him out of the country (realistically) from early Wednesday means that he's not got a right lot of time left to do what he did with Barton 3 years ago, should he need to do it.

But all of this is a side issue. Its a symptom of a wider problem. The more deals you are trying to do at any one time, within a very constrained window, the more difficult it is to do any of them successfully. If the Chief Exec is negotiating the transfer fee for Rodiriguez on the one hand, he can't be debating the finer points of Rodriguez' bonus payments with his agent at the same time. If the manager needs to meet Sam Clucas to convince him to come to us, rather than the club which comes in for him this week, he can't also be meeting Rodriguez.

And so on. There's a lot of juggling being done, and the more that needs doing, the more chance there is of dropping the ball. Had we got a couple of things banked by now, we'd stand a lot more chance of finishing the window with all the balls still in the air.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:55 pm

claretspice wrote:But it is a factor. The idea that Skype, a telephone or any similar technology is a substitute for meeting someone face to face in all circumstances doesn't get off first base. We'll certainly be able to close the transactional bits of a deal whilst the first team are in Turkey; no doubt Dyche will be able to speak to someone to close down a few hanging points on a deal. But it will be very, very difficult for him to sell the club to someone who is wavering via that means. Indeed, the fact we've got a significant game which will take him out of the country (realistically) from early Wednesday means that he's not got a right lot of time left to do what he did with Barton 3 years ago, should he need to do it.

But all of this is a side issue. Its a symptom of a wider problem. The more deals you are trying to do at any one time, within a very constrained window, the more difficult it is to do any of them successfully. If the Chief Exec is negotiating the transfer fee for Rodiriguez on the one hand, he can't be debating the finer points of Rodriguez' bonus payments with his agent at the same time. If the manager needs to meet Sam Clucas to convince him to come to us, rather than the club which comes in for him this week, he can't also be meeting Rodriguez.

And so on. There's a lot of juggling being done, and the more that needs doing, the more chance there is of dropping the ball. Had we got a couple of things banked by now, we'd stand a lot more chance of finishing the window with all the balls still in the air.

If you believe Nixon it sounds like Dyche had met Mawson, who'd agreed to join us, but then changed his mind. Very little you can do in those circumstances.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:58 pm

i wouldn't place too much emphasis on what happened with barton. the whole thing took about 8 weeks and he had a lot of options as a free agent.

the player's we're after have known of our interest for a long time now.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:02 pm

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BURNLEY. Dyche comments about players coming and then foot aimed at Mawson. They thought that was happening. Blow.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:04 pm

It is a mild concern that all the powers that be could be in Turkey for days just before the deadline. A mild concern.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:24 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:i wouldn't place too much emphasis on what happened with barton. the whole thing took about 8 weeks and he had a lot of options as a free agent.

the player's we're after have known of our interest for a long time now.

Exactly. It's not as if we'll need to be doing deals from initial contact with the players/agents/clubs to the player signing on the dotted line in the last couple of days of the window while in Turkey. Most of the groundwork will have already been done.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:31 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:i wouldn't place too much emphasis on what happened with barton. the whole thing took about 8 weeks and he had a lot of options as a free agent.

the player's we're after have known of our interest for a long time now.

No-one is placing too much emphasis on it. But its an example of what can swing a deal. As I say, this is one example symptom of a wider problem - these things drink time, and the more deals a small team are trying to get over the line in one go, the less capacity they have to get any of them done. Meeting players to clinch a deal is only one part of the equation and its an example.

Of course, many of these deals have been cooking for a while. But that doesn't mean to say the final steps don't require (or might not) some intensive support. And of course, it would be easier if we'd managed to wrap one or two up earlier. That's just plain common sense.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:40 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:It is a mild concern that all the powers that be could be in Turkey for days just before the deadline. A mild concern.

Surely we have enough people capable of handling this kind of thing. If not, someone who can will have to take one for the team and stay at home!

In fact, if Dyche was THE deciding factor in transfers, it would be beneficial for him to stay at home as the signings for a season are arguably much more important than one game in Turkey!

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:49 pm

I have said this in previous windows, my concern is that Dyche seems to only target a small group of players on his wishlist and when inevitably we get gazumped by another club we then seem to scramble about to get bodies over the line late on in the window.

We should have a minimum of five players in mind for each position we target, but we don't, we spend five weeks getting fcked over by the likes of WBA and Swansea for Dawson and Mawson then end up rummaging around for players.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:33 pm

Burnley

Sticking with Sky for a minute, they've spoken to Clarets boss Sean Dyche.

Burnley are the only top flight club to have not yet made a signing and Dyche did not sound in any rush to change that unless he gets the players he wants.

"We're open minded with the number we're looking to bring in," he said. "But when everyone is fit you look around and think 'actually this is a good group'.

"We have challenges which does stretch it but we won't just bring in players for the sake of it.

"We need players who will actually improve us."

The key phrase there being when everyone is fit,which the're not and may not be for some weeks,doesn't sound like we will panic buy from those quotes.

And yes we are not the only top flight yet to complete a signing,neither have Spurs.