Dyche: We may have to break the bank

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:50 pm

claretspice wrote:Im not debating those figures, but theyre small enough beer in the context of the Premier League revenues, particularly given weve had a lot more of those cash injections than Hudds have.
No doubt, but unlike us, Hoyles personal wealth can act as quite a buffer for when taking expensive punts at the Roulette Table of Football transfers. Like Gibson’s has for Boro.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by MRG » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:50 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:That’s a risky road to go down. For Clubs like us, Huddersfield, Brighton, Middlebrough eat al, I don’t think theirs many Foreign Investors beating our door down. And if they are they carry the large risk of being utter duck eggs, like the Venkys. Be careful what you wish for.

Either way, I think we may have reached a watershed moment for the Club here. If they are about to change the business model, then we could well be on a journey that could end up very bad for us. Though, admittedly, it could be fun while it lasts.
People keep telling us that it’s risky and a model that we should avoid whilst referencing Pompey and Rovers yet in the next breath we humbly walk away from any player that gets any interest from a premier league team or even half of the championship. We can’t have it both ways.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:51 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Didn't we make less... £30million?
presumably before the £140Mish income for finishing 7th?

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Steddyman » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:52 pm

I seriously doubt anyone on here knows if Brighton or Huddersfields owners have bankrolled the club in the Premier League. Just because they are worth more does not mean they have more disposable income, it just means they have more assets. I would be very surprised if we do not have at least £40 million to spend this window and that is what Sean is hinting at.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:52 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Presume you're referring to wages, which also are not a problem.

With a Wage bill in excess of £70m to Jun'18 we are still to report a net profit of nearly £60m.
Royboy I always read your posts regards the accounts of the club. Obviously you have a decent knowledge of how the accounts work and such. Even taking the odd risk surely it would not put the club in danger despite what the happy clappers say? Obviously the signings still have a resale value if the worst happens. In your opinion how much do you think we should have to spend this season on new incomings inclusive of wages....but just the years wages not planning for 3 years as parachute payments and such would cover this.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by ksrclaret » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:52 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:That’s a risky road to go down. For Clubs like us, Huddersfield, Brighton, Middlebrough eat al, I don’t think theirs many Foreign Investors beating our door down. And if they are they carry the large risk of being utter duck eggs, like the Venkys. Be careful what you wish for.

Either way, I think we may have reached a watershed moment for the Club here. If they are about to change the business model, then we could well be on a journey that could end up very bad for us. Though, admittedly, it could be fun while it lasts.
Don't panic, we won't be breaking any bank this summer, not even the piggy bank.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:52 pm

They are quite obviously not spending the Club’s money.
The newly promoted clubs haven’t received a single penny of premier league money yet.
All of Fulham’s business this summer is being bank rolled.

If you want to compare burnley to any club compare them to Newcastle. They spend what they earn on selling players and through the gate. Hence why they are bargain hunting aswell.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:52 pm

Is anyone advocating breaking the bank or just spending the money Dyche has earnt us?

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by ClaretAndJew » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:53 pm

KRBFC wrote:But if you bring in more cash than you spend the billionaire owners act as a safety blanket, that's all. They're spending the clubs money not their own.
Aye, I'm not purporting to know the ins and outs of transfers but I would imagine knowing you've got X guaranteed money you're more inclined to spend more freely.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:54 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:So you don't think the net worth of the clubs has anything to do with transfers?
No....they are both at present living within their means.....cardiff signing championship players like Reid and Cunningham while Udders shop abroad getting value for money

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:55 pm

Over £80 million profit in the 2 seasons 16/7 and 17/8

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:56 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Aye, I'm not purporting to know the ins and outs of transfers but I would imagine knowing you've got X guaranteed money you're more inclined to spend more freely.
People on here always say ''Bournemouth are bankrolled by a billionaire owner'' which is untrue because they actually announced profit 2 years in a row according to another poster on a different thread.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:56 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:No doubt, but unlike us, Hoyles personal wealth can act as quite a buffer for when taking expensive punts at the Roulette Table of Football transfers. Like Gibson’s has for Boro.
What expensive punts have they taken?

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Post by MRG » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:57 pm

Let’s not forget that previous windows have also been embarrassing. Finishing well took the pressure of the recruitment team

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by taio » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:57 pm

KRBFC wrote:People on here always say ''Bournemouth are bankrolled by a billionaire owner'' which is untrue because they actually announced profit 2 years in a row according to another poster on a different thread.
Yes that is correct. But C&J's point is absolutely right.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:58 pm

Huddersfield net spend on fees £35M this summer, what was their income for surviving in the PL?

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by taio » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:Huddersfield net spend on fees £35M this summer, what was their income for surviving in the PL?
We can afford to spend £35m

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Spijed » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:01 pm

MRG wrote:Let’s not forget that previous windows have also been embarrassing. Finishing well took the pressure of the recruitment team
Embarrassing for who?

We've had five players that have gone on to become England internationals that have been signed by said recruitment team!
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by SGr » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:01 pm

Garlick said that last window and we ended up making a profit :lol:

No in all seriousness, this article shows just how frustrated Dyche is getting behind the scenes. Clearly taking shots at the way the club is operating transfer-wise (although from what I gather the Mawson thing is nobody’s fault really).

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:02 pm

taio wrote:We can afford to spend £35m
We finished above Huddersfield and are 1 year ahead of them in terms of PL income, Hoyle doesn't appear to be willing to dump his cash in because he doesn't need to. I believe our wage bill was higher than Huddersfield's last season. Does that mean the owners are bankrolling us? No it doesn't, PL income is huge and bankrolling alot of clubs.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:02 pm

taio wrote:Yes that is correct. But C&J's point is absolutely right.
Also Bournemouth have little or no infrastructure so if they went down they would carry on going as the owner would drop them like a lead balloon. We have built over the last 5 years meaning any risk we take is kind of balanced out by our chances of bouncing back because of the infrastructure we have.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by SGr » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:03 pm

boatshed bill wrote:These inflated transfer fees and wages are all but beyond us. Nobody's fault at Burnley
Incorrect. It is partly our fault for not establishing proper overseas recruitment.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by MRG » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:04 pm

Spijed wrote:Embarrassing for who?

We've had five players that have gone on to become England internationals that have been signed by said recruitment team!
Embarrassing for us, chasing players around that have no intension of joining us whilst having no plan B

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:04 pm

Some kids find it hard to wait until Xmas morning for their presents.

There would be a massive amount of egg on faces if we bought 3 players at £20million each

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by taio » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:We finished above Huddersfield and are 1 year ahead of them in terms of PL income, Hoyle doesn't appear to be willing to dump his cash in because he doesn't need to. I believe our wage bill was higher than Huddersfield's last season. Does that mean the owners are bankrolling us? No it doesn't, PL income is huge and bankrolling alot of clubs.
No. And we need to spend some serious money before the window closes.

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Post by Steddyman » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:05 pm

This article encourages me because these sort of noises are normally leaked by the club just prior to us announcing major spending on incomings.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Spijed » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:We finished above Huddersfield and are 1 year ahead of them in terms of PL income, Hoyle doesn't appear to be willing to dump his cash in because he doesn't need to. I believe our wage bill was higher than Huddersfield's last season. Does that mean the owners are bankrolling us? No it doesn't, PL income is huge and bankrolling alot of clubs.
Really?

If that's the case why are WBA in trouble financially?

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:06 pm

MRG wrote:Embarrassing for us, chasing players around that have no intension of joining us whilst having no plan B
Intention.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Dyched » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:07 pm

KRBFC wrote:We finished above Huddersfield and are 1 year ahead of them in terms of PL income, Hoyle doesn't appear to be willing to dump his cash in because he doesn't need to. I believe our wage bill was higher than Huddersfield's last season. Does that mean the owners are bankrolling us? No it doesn't, PL income is huge and bankrolling alot of clubs.
All these clubs with mega rich owners dont have to dip into their pockets at the minute due to the PL money. But once the inevitable relegation comes they will HAVE to. Or they’ll be in the ****.

We don’t have that luxury.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by MRG » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:08 pm

Dyched wrote:All these clubs with mega rich owners dont have to dip into their pockets at the minute due to the PL money. But once the inevitable relegation comes they will HAVE to. Or they’ll be in the ****.

We don’t have that luxury.
They can’t all be relegated

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:People on here always say ''Bournemouth are bankrolled by a billionaire owner'' which is untrue because they actually announced profit 2 years in a row according to another poster on a different thread.
That was aggi, and his information is correct. In fact such are the levels of PL Broadcast Income that every single club in the PL reported Net Profits in their last set of accounts.

We received slightly over £119m from TV revenue within a Total Income approaching £140m.

The 'tomorrows' to which BOT refers are taken care of by relegation clauses within new contracts.

Not prepared to put a figure on potential spend this window, but funds are available for each of Dyche's top targets including Wages. Worth remembering also that all our dealings are structured payments over three years or more.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:09 pm

MRG wrote:They can’t all be relegated
But every one of them can be relegated.

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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:09 pm

SGr wrote:Incorrect. It is partly our fault for not establishing proper overseas recruitment.
Do we actually know that we haven't been looking abroad?

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Post by MRG » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:10 pm

And who will replace them all?

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Post by Dyched » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:11 pm

MRG wrote:They can’t all be relegated
Obviously not no.

But they can afford to take more of a risk on signings.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by MDWat » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:12 pm

Still think we need to be patient.
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Post by MRG » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:14 pm

Dyched wrote:Obviously not no.

But they can afford to take more of a risk on signings.
It’s a void argument. Having a foreign big bucks investor will ‘inevitably’ lead to relegation but it’s not the end of the world because they can afford to take the risk. The alternative is clubs like Burnley playing it safe but are unable to compete in the transfer market. This strategy could also lead to relegation however we wouldn’t have the luxury of the investment.

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Post by winsomeyen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:17 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Do we actually know that we haven't been looking abroad?
There is none as blind as those who dont want to see.

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Post by SGr » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:18 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Do we actually know that we haven't been looking abroad?
Well if we are, you could’ve fooled me. We did it two years ago, brought back Defour and nearly Ziyech. A brief blip before we had about 8 bids for Dale Stephens turned down... :?
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by ClaretAndJew » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:20 pm

Cardiff eyeing Deeney for £15 million.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Claret eze » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:21 pm

We have money in the bank.nobody is saying spend money we don't have,we have plenty of it.

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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:22 pm

SGr wrote:Well if we are, you could’ve fooled me. We did it two years ago, brought back Defour and nearly Ziyech. A brief blip before we had about 8 bids for Dale Stephens turned down... :?
But we might be?

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:23 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:The 'tomorrows' to which BOT refers are taken care of by relegation clauses within new contracts.
Maybe these clauses are one of the reasons we're struggling to complete signings.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by agreenwood » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:26 pm

Break the bank or smash the club’s previous record profit.

One of those things is likely to happen this season.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Slurpy » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:27 pm

All foreign players are offered to us by agents we don't appear to have any actual foreign scouting structure in place.

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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:29 pm

Slurpy wrote:All foreign players are offered to us by agents we don't appear to have any actual foreign scouting structure in place.
Well maybe we don't fancy what we are being offered?

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Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:29 pm

MRG wrote:It’s a void argument. Having a foreign big bucks investor will ‘inevitably’ lead to relegation but it’s not the end of the world because they can afford to take the risk. The alternative is clubs like Burnley playing it safe but are unable to compete in the transfer market. This strategy could also lead to relegation however we wouldn’t have the luxury of the investment.
Burnley’s ‘Playing it Safe’ model has seen us win two automatic promotions to the Prem(one immediately after being relegated), has seen us finish in our highest position since 1974, and finish in Europe for the first time in half a century. It’s also seen us invest in a brand new training facility. I’d only cast that approach away with extreme reluctance.

Also, reagarding Huddersfield and Brighton, neither have the looming prospect of expensive ground renovation on the horizon. Our ground is badly in need of at least two new stands. Without inheriting a purpose built stadium(Hudds) of having one built by a rich fan(BHA), we have to raise the money for that investment.
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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by MRG » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:31 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Burnley’s ‘Playing it Safe’ model has seen us win two automatic promotions to the Prem(one immediately after being relegated), has seen us finish in our highest position since 1974, and finish in Europe for the first time in half a century. It’s also seen us invest in a brand new training facility. I’d only cast that approach away with extreme reluctance.

Also, reagarding Huddersfield and Brighton, neither have the looming prospect of expensive ground renovation on the horizon. Our ground is badly in need of at least two new stands. Without inheriting a purpose built stadium(Hudds) of having one built by a rich fan(BHA), we have to raise the money for that investment.
I just fear that if we don’t adapt we will be left behind and the transfer window appear to demonstrate this!

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:33 pm

MRG wrote:I just fear that if we don’t adapt we will be left behind and the transfer window appear to demonstrate this!
We certainly have to adapt. I just hope we adapt with circumspection, and not wild abandon.

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Re: Dyche: We may have to break the bank

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:33 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Maybe these clauses are one of the reasons we're struggling to complete signings.
Unlikely to be a problem specific to Burnley, Paul, as pretty much all clubs outside the top six now stipulate relegation clauses within contracts. Hence when West Brom were relegated JayRod's salary reduced significantly to a point that he became affordable to us.

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