Rescued from a war zone.

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:01 am

It now appears that Salman Abedi,Manchester terrorist murderer,was plucked from a beach in Libyia 3 yrs ago by the R A F. He was taken to Malta for a couple of weeks in the sun then returned to the UK.

There can hardly have been a bigger act of betrayal in recent history.

Rescued from a potentially life threatening situation he repays Britain by his cowardly act of terrorism.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:11 am

Almost as if he was a massive ****

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:35 am

I’ll be interested to know exactly what MI6 knew about this man, and his father’s, activities in the lead-up to the Bombing in Manchester.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:56 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Almost as if he was a massive ****

Exactly right. But i think the point of this thread is to show what can happen when we decide to help people. Sometimes some of them don't end up deserving our help.
We see it all the time. It's why "news"papers point out the extreme dole dossers. We're meant to think these people are the norm and react accordingly by cutting welfare. It's the same with refugees and asylum seekers. When one of them does something horrible we're all meant to fear that they're all like that and react accordingly by cutting the number we accept.

This is why i found it hilarious when those who have spend decades telling the rest of us to be afraid of foreigners and Muslims came out with the term "project fear" to counter Osbourne when he said there'd be an emergency budget. They've been projecting fear a lot longer, and with far worse consequences.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:01 am

Far worse consequences than blowing children to pieces ?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:03 am

Most people knew we would be welcoming terrorists. Thankfully the majority are not. Merckel's open arms policy didn't help.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:05 am

Thanks for the lift.

Right, now where's the bomb making equipment?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:17 am

Listened to a fascinating interview with a security expert a few weeks back on LBC presented by George Galloway.

His guest explained the back ground to the Arena Islamic terrorist atrocity.

There is a large Libyan community in Manchester that left Libya as Gadaffi was on their case. They were offered asylum. However, they were seen by security as dangerous and many were placed on watch lists and had travel restrictions put on them.

In the run up to the Libyan invasion by the West, it started under Brown but continued under Cameron, restrictions were withdrawn and many then went back to Libya in full knowledge of the government, to fight on the side of the "Good Jihadis"

The guest said all this was common knowledge, but considering the consequences seen in the devastation and human tragedy that unfolded at the Arena. He was surprised it hasn't received proportionarlty more coverage in the mainstream media.

Chillingly, when asked if it was likely that we could see another Islamic terrorist atrocity, like the Manchester Arena bombing. He said "highly likely".....

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:26 am

Terrorism expert on talkradio just confirmed that security services estimate around 20,000 similar to the Arena Islamic terrorist atrocity perpetrator, in this country.

He was very concerned about allowing the so called White Helmets into this country.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:34 am

Libya and the Manchester connection

There is a link between the woeful Manchester attack and the dubious methods the UK used to help Libyans topple Gaddafi.

Alastair Sloan

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 44095.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

British Intelligence Received Warnings that Manchester Bomber Was Plotting Attacks ....By Laura Tiernan

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47158.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Manchester’s Known Wolf: Watched by MI5 with Ties to NATO-Backed Terror in Libya – What Does It All Mean?

Shawn Helton

"Another day, another conspiratorial crime. In this case, the public was witness to yet another known wolf terror attack allegedly carried out by an ‘ISIS-inspired’ individual who, as with numerous other cases, was under the gaze of MI5. The man named in the Manchester attack, Salman Abedi, has also been tied to a terror group supported by NATO in Libya during the operation to oust Muammar Gaddafi in 2011."

https://www.globalresearch.ca/mancheste ... an/5592444" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:40 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Terrorism expert on talkradio just confirmed that security services estimate around 20,000 similar to the Arena Islamic terrorist atrocity perpetrator, in this country.

He was very concerned about allowing the so called White Helmets into this country.

See what I mean? This is how we're being conditioned into accepting ever more draconian laws in the interests of "security".

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:11 am

The White Helmets are a part of Al-Qaeda, don’t let them resettle in Europe – Syrian MP interview

Enoch....Voice of Europe

"In the last week roughly 400 White Helmets were evacuated from Syria by Israel, where they will then be resettled in Western countries. I had the opportunity to talk to Mr Fares Shehabi, the Member of Parliament for Aleppo, and discuss this development, as well as the Syrian situation in general....

E....The White Helmets are known to most Western audiences as a group created to undertake search and rescue missions for those affected by bombing, evacuate civilians from danger areas and provide emergency medical assistance. Is this an accurate description of them, and if not, how would you describe them?

Fares...“The White Helmets are a fake make up for known terror groups mainly al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the Nusra Front. Most of WH’s are Qaeda terrorists and all of its bases are within areas controlled by the Nusra. Their job is to demonize the Syrian army, beautify jihadi gangs, and provide NATO with fabricated hoaxes in order to attack Syria.”

E...Recently Israel, acting on a request by the UK, USA and other European nations, carried out an evacuation of roughly 422 White Helmet operatives and family members to nearby Jordan, where they will be then resettled in Western countries. What is your opinion on this development?

Fares...“Fearing a scandalous exposure that will reveal the names of many foreign intelligence operatives amongst the WH’s, a decision was taken to extract them through the occupied Golan. The Syrian gov ran many successful reconciliations with thousands of armed rebels and agreed to peacefully evacuate thousands more who refused these reconciliations, hence, one can only understand this extraction as an extraction of agents and tools and not a rescue operation.”

E...Is there a final short message/warning you have for our European readers, perhaps relating to the resettlement of the White Helmets across Europe?

Fares...“We urge Europeans to reject this stupid move and to prosecute all corrupt politicians behind it. Your countries cannot be safe by allowing radical jihadi traitors to live among you! The White Helmets are a part of al-Qaeda and are blessed by al-Qaeda jihadi doctrine.”

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/07/the-w ... interview/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Comment

"Bearing in mind the above warning and Mr Fares Shehabi’s recommendation that we should “prosecute all corrupt politicians”, the following tweet from Britain’s new Home Secretary Jeremy Hunt is apt:

"Fantastic news that we - UK and friends - have secured evacuation of White Helmets and their families - thank you Israel and Jordan for acting
so quickly on our request. The WH are the bravest of the brave and in a desperate situation this is at least one ray of hope"

Given the White Helmets known links to terror, perhaps we should consider prosecuting Jeremy Hunt for aiding terrorists too?

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=173919" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:27 am

That girl couldn’t have been photographed been carried by different people could she?

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:30 am

Can't even begin to know how hearing these things must make those who lost loved ones that night feel.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:36 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Almost as if he was a massive ****

Almost as if you're attempting to trivialize and make light of the slaughter of innocents, by a blood thirsty Islamic terrorist.

Hope your proud of yourself.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:44 am

Ha what??

Drinking this early Ringo son?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:00 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Ha what??

Drinking this early Ringo son?

Desperate so early?

I'll let others judge your inappropriate comment.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:07 pm

I’m happy for you to get upset about me calling a **** a ****.

You’ll still be my favourite poster on here. Now back to pretending you gave up a lucrative career.
Keep entertaining.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:13 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’m happy for you to get upset about me calling a **** a ****.

You’ll still be my favourite poster on here. Now back to pretending you gave up a lucrative career.
Keep entertaining.

Now you're trying to back peddle. The key, dismissive word, was "almost". It's almost as if you've forgotten that.

If you had children of the age they'd be likely to attend a similar concert. I genuinely wouldn't wish any similar harm on them.

But I doubt very much you have any children.

If you did, you wouldn't make such crass comments.

I've nothing further to say to you.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:15 pm

Like I said, I’m happy for you to be upset that I call a **** a ****.

The BC 1 Ringo Dingo 0.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:17 pm

During the discussion about future Islamic terrorist atrocities, the security expert said something that should concern us all, with regards the relationship between the security services and islamic terrorists.

"The security services need to be lucky all the time. The terrorists only need to be lucky once"......

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:36 pm

Another total and utter failure by this pathetic Conservative government.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:09 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:That girl couldn’t have been photographed been carried by different people could she?

Of course she was. It's bullshit as usual from the conspiracy nuts who think every bombing is a fake attack, or a false flag.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:13 pm

"As of 31 March 2018, the total sum of funding that the British Government has supplied to the White Helmets is £38,425,591."

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ts_funding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:17 pm

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-s ... ugee-girl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:18 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:"As of 31 March 2018, the total sum of funding that the British Government has supplied to the White Helmets is £38,425,591."

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ts_funding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So?

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:41 pm

CrossTalk: White Helmets, Really?

"The White Helmets: a heartfelt humanitarian NGO or an elaborate and cynical western PR stunt promoting illegal regime change in Syria? Does the wearing of white helmets mean they are the good guys supporting a just cause?"

CrossTalking with Peter Lavelle, Vanessa Beeley, Eva Bartlett, and Patrick Henningsen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgGNzj6rKqI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vanessa Beeley: The Real Agenda Of The White Helmets

The “White Helmets” organization acting in Syria is hailed as heroes in some countries, and the West provides millions of dollars to these so-called saviors.
At Swiss Press Club in Geneva, independent journalist Vanessa Beeley gives « a clear view on what is the real agenda of these Hollywood so-called “first responders” who received an Oscar for their performance ».

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amUGvZJl15k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eva Bartlett, Independent Canadian Journalist....Press Conference at the United Nations

Western media lies about Syria exposed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1VNQGsiP8M" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sarah Abdallah

“Anyone who questions mainstream media narratives today is immediately branded as “conspiracy theorist” by journos and politicos alike. It has become the establishment’s preferred way to pre-empt any discussion and instantly brush aside any criticism.” #Syria

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fares Shehabi

"“Israel openly supports all terror groups in the south including ISIS. We have confiscated tons of Israeli weapons there and the across the border cooperation between Israel and these terror group is widely known and proven.”"

https://twitter.com/ShehabiFares" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:57 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:The White Helmets are a part of Al-Qaeda, don’t let them resettle in Europe – Syrian MP interview

Enoch....Voice of Europe

"In the last week roughly 400 White Helmets were evacuated from Syria by Israel, where they will then be resettled in Western countries. I had the opportunity to talk to Mr Fares Shehabi, the Member of Parliament for Aleppo, and discuss this development, as well as the Syrian situation in general....

Comment

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-s ... ugee-girl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Same girl rescued ONCE and photographed in the arms of 3 different people.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:04 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-s ... ugee-girl/

Same girl rescued ONCE and photographed in the arms of 3 different people.

Only one of whom appears to be a white helmet.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:06 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Only one of whom appears to be a white helmet.

Never let facts get in the way of a good **** stir

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:51 pm

Same girl rescued three times?

Right, let's have a look at the pic. She's wearing the same clothes in those photo. Now if I was trying to hoodwink the whole world - I'd at least make sure she was wearing different clothes. You'd have to be thick as pig poo not to realise this.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:51 pm

Also, it goes without saying that people coming here from war zones should always be throughly vetted.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:11 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:During the discussion about future Islamic terrorist atrocities, the security expert said something that should concern us all, with regards the relationship between the security services and islamic terrorists.

"The security services need to be lucky all the time. The terrorists only need to be lucky once"......

It's a shame that all these security experts are spending their time chatting on the radio rather than, y'know, helping with security.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:26 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:It's a shame that all these security experts are spending their time chatting on the radio rather than, y'know, helping with security.

It's funny how selective he is with his respect for expert opinion.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:59 pm

Not all immigrants are bad

'Spiderman' who saved child by climbing up outside of Paris building is invited to meet President Macron | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 72386.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:59 pm

Man in helmet carries her from collapsed building.

2nd man takes her and gives her to 3rd person.

The building in the background is the same one each time.

Even you must be able to see that from below your tinfoil hat?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:02 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Man in helmet carries her from collapsed building.

2nd man takes her and gives her to 3rd person.

The building in the background is the same one each time.

Even you must be able to see that from below your tinfoil hat?

Sheep see what they’re told to see.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:19 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Sheep see what they’re told to see.

Which of us is the sheep?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:22 pm

Bluelab, when in a hole it's best to stop digging. You're just making yourself look silly.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:30 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:It's a shame that all these security experts are spending their time chatting on the radio rather than, y'know, helping with security.

Your pin sharp analysis gets to the heart of the matter.

The cause of Islamic terrorist atrocities that we've witnessed all over Europe, and more recently much closer to home in Manchester. Is by security experts speaking in the radio about their concerns for the future.

It's definately not the actual blood thirsty actions of Islamic terrorists.

You can't expect the security services to be lucky all the time. While the Islamic terrorists only need to be lucky once. Can you!?

Thanks for crystal clear thinking and rational objectivity.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:32 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You can't expect the security services to be lucky all the time. While the Islamic terrorists only need to be lucky once.

That was said more than once during the troubles in Northern Ireland, or words to that effect.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:36 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Which of us is the sheep?

The blue one who believes in the ridiculous propaganda he/she copies and pastes onto here.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:41 pm

Spijed wrote:That was said more than once during the troubles in Northern Ireland, or words to that effect.

Correct.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:42 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
The cause of Islamic terrorist atrocities that we've witnessed all over Europe, and more recently much closer to home in Manchester. Is by security experts speaking in the radio about their concerns for the future.

I'm not sure which lines you were reading between to come up with that conclusion.

It was a genuine question; would you not expect an expert in security to be meaningfully employed in countering terrorism? Or has he just left the rat race to be "one of the feckers at the bottom"?

(was he even an expert in counter-terrorism or did he just have an SIA badge who did a bit of stewarding for Group 4 and blagged his way onto the radio?)

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:42 pm

Assad Says The "Boy In The Ambulance" Is Fake - This Proves It

"... We also believe that all three scenes above are staged. The girl is the same in all three scenes. Her younger brother appears in scene 2 and 3. The White Helmets apparently "rescued" the girl in three different incidents on or about August 17, August 27 and October 10 in three different locations.

Isn't that a remarkably elysian miracle?

Or is it all part of the serial production of elaborately staged anti-Syrian propaganda? Delivered by a marketing organization funded by "western" governments and various similar financed opposition "media organizations".

Trust your eyes..."

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/as ... w-why.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Comments:

...While the White Helmets should continue to try for a Nobel or an Oscar next year, the kids should definitely get an agent and see if they can get
into the Actors Guild. They should have all the right contacts.

...At least they weren't pulled from their incubators and left on the floor to die.
It's pretty much proved that the White Helmets are a propaganda outlet for al Nusrah. They've even been filmed standing by to "rescue" the fresh
bodies at Nusrah execution sites...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:26 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:Assad Says The "Boy In The Ambulance" Is Fake - This Proves It

"... We also believe that all three scenes above are staged. The girl is the same in all three scenes. Her younger brother appears in scene 2 and 3. The White Helmets apparently "rescued" the girl in three different incidents on or about August 17, August 27 and October 10 in three different locations.

Two people have provided a link that comprehensively disproves this. So why the **** do you still believe it?

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Two people have provided a link that comprehensively disproves this. So why the **** do you still believe it?

Because he wants to, doesn't matter if it's true or not.

This guy supports Putin and Assad remember, he's hardly a full shilling.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:05 pm

Oh god. You mentioned "shilling". Now he'll discover how i'm being paid by George Soros. ****.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:48 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's the same with refugees and asylum seekers. When one of them does something horrible we're all meant to fear that they're all like that and react accordingly by cutting the number we accept.

Yep, and by the same argument, we should limit the amount of white British males we allow to live in the country...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 90611.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:12 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Two people have provided a link that comprehensively disproves this. So why the **** do you still believe it?

I'm going to make it three, look, here it is...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-s ... ugee-girl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Proved to be FALSE means it is FALSE.

If something I believed was proved to be false I would seriously begin to question everything I believed but, there you go, that's why I don't go on black propaganda sites full of made-up s***.