£8m bid for Clucas in - Nixon

[Grumps]

Injury

[Blackrod]

You might do your research and think you know them and their background but remember Grosicki ?

[agreenwood]

You might do your research and think you know them and their background but remember Grosicki ?

Grosicki was a last-minute deadline day job. We’ve been after Clucas since last summer. Not the same at all.

[joey13]

You don’t track a player for a year without knowing what their wage demands are or what sort of personality they are.

Could well be off, but wages or personality don’t seem particularly likely causes.

Other than he has upped his wage demand

[Grumps]

As said earlier, injury is the problem not wage demands

[joey13]

As said earlier, injury is the problem not wage demands

Injury Didn’t stop us wasting £5 million on Wells

[Grumps]

Injury Didn’t stop us wasting £5 million on Wells

Perhaps it's not similar

[taio]

Injury Didn’t stop us wasting £5 million on Wells

Coz injuries and people are always the same.

[joey13]

Coz injuries and people are always the same.

Or because it’s wages

[Grumps]

Just a guess, but perhaps the medical people were confident Wells would recover, perhaps not as sure with clucas??

[joey13]

Perhaps it's not similar

Wells was out till Christmas, injured

[taio]

Or because it’s wages

Dunno. But was responding to your post comparing to Wells' injury.

[taio]

Wells was out till Christmas, injured

No he wasn't

[Blyclaret]

Nixon just tweeted Burnley put Clucas on hold as he’s not 100% ready to play.
Looks like he failed medical.

[Blyclaret]

Actually reading his tweet again and looks like it could be wage demands rather than injury.

[Grumps]

Actually reading his tweet again and looks like it could be wage demands rather than injury.

No it doesn't...

[Blyclaret]

Not 100% ready to play .....what does that suggest then ?

[jedi_master]

I took it to mean ready to play as in, ready to agree to the transfer.

Might be wrong, it tends to be how Nixon tweets though that.

[Grumps]

Not 100% ready to play .....what does that suggest then ?

Not fit, seeing how he hasn't trained much since his op

[taio]

Not 100% ready to play .....what does that suggest then ?

Surely he's referring to fitness then.

[Blyclaret]

That’s not enough to scupper deal .....eg Wells arriving post operation not fit enough to play but deal still went through.

[Grumps]

Bit in the paper explains fully it's his knee

[agreenwood]

He’s injured. Has been since May.

With the prospect of extra Europa load, maybe they are going to pursue other targets first.

We could do with another midfielder.

[taio]

That’s not enough to scupper deal .....eg Wells arriving post operation not fit enough to play but deal still went through.

If it's about fitness, unlike Wells, the medical may have picked something up of concern.

[joey13]

No he wasn't

My apologies , first appearance 23/12/17

[Blyclaret]

Grumps any chance you add link to paper article ???

[Spijed]

I doubt short term injuries would cause a player to fail a medical.

They tend to look for more serious issues. Remember the video about the one Walters had. They did A CT scan and all sorts of tests that took quite a few hours if I remember correctly.

[taio]

My apologies , first appearance 23/12/17

On the bench against Newcastle in October. Irrelevant when his first appearance was. You said he was out injured until Christmas. He wasn't.

[Midmoorclaret]

If there has been a problem with his medical it could explain why Swansea are willing to offload him at nearly half of what they paid for him.

[Grumps]

Grumps any chance you add link to paper article ???

No... It's in the paper, not online...

[Blyclaret]

Beginning to make sense
Swansea agreeing a fee of 8 million having paid 15 million less than a year ago.

[Jakubs Tash]

Seen the tweet. Very strange.... surely we knew his fitness situation before we upped our interest as it hasn't only just happened.

[joey13]

On the bench against Newcastle in October. Irrelevant when his first appearance was. You said he was out injured until Christmas. He wasn't.

Well done

[joey13]

He’s injured. Has been since May.

With the prospect of extra Europa load, maybe they are going to pursue other targets first.

We could do with another midfielder.

So we have been chasing an injured player since May then decided to look for someone else with 4 days of the window left , sorry 4 days 8 hrs 20 mins

[taio]

Some people don't seem to understand the concept, timing and/or positive of medicals.

[mdd2]

Fitness will not be the problem. "He is not fit but we will get him fit" Sean Dyche and so we sign him au Wells. More likely "I have assessed his injury, looked at the MR of his knee and I cannot be certain he doesn't need more surgery. If he does he will be out another 9 months" Alternative "I cannot be certain he will fully recover" Orthopaedic Surgeon specialising in knee surgery. So we do not sign him having looked at the plaque on the wall commemorating the signing of Joe Gallagher.
Probably time to move on if this is the situation

[agreenwood]

So we have been chasing an injured player since May then decided to look for someone else with 4 days of the window left , sorry 4 days 8 hrs 20 mins

I’m sure it’s not like that. Perhaps he’s had a set-back or it’s taking longer than expected to heal. Swansea initially said 12 weeks if you look at the previously linked article from early May. If he’s still not training, clearly things aren’t going to plan.

[CombatClaret]

Seen the tweet. Very strange.... surely we knew his fitness situation before we upped our interest as it hasn't only just happened.

He isn't our player & Swansea obviously trying to keep it quiet. How we're we supposed to know the extent on an injury before performing our own medical?

Same as when people say we should have known players don't want to move. You have to ask them first, this is what negotiations are for.

[agreenwood]

Fitness will not be the problem. "He is not fit but we will get him fit" Sean Dyche and so we sign him au Wells. More likely "I have assessed his injury, looked at the MR of his knee and I cannot be certain he doesn't need more surgery. If he does he will be out another 9 months" Alternative "I cannot be certain he will fully recover" Orthopaedic Surgeon specialising in knee surgery. So we do not sign him having looked at the plaque on the wall commemorating the signing of Joe Gallagher.
Probably time to move on if this is the situation

Or maybe it’s just a case of us reassessing in light of us being a step closer to the Europa League groups (and Defour being injured still) and seeing if there’s a better alternative to go straight into the reckoning to help the squad.

[Reecey1987]

So we have been chasing an injured player since May then decided to look for someone else with 4 days of the window left , sorry 4 days 8 hrs 20 mins

Fulham have shown late intrest

[Father Jack]

maybe our concern about Defour has increased since we started pursuing the deal. And we now need a signing to be ready to play immediately.

Maybe the medical for clucas has shown a more serious injury than we’d expected.

Maybe we’ve got other irons in the fire which we’re confident we can pull off which allows us to put clucas on hold as we don’t feel any other clubs will come in for him in the short term.

[SkiptonClaret]

Hopefully we haven’t wasted too much time on what appeared a largely uninspiring signing. We need another midfielder as we simply cannot assume that Defour will feature regularly, as history would certainly suggest otherwise.
I’d like to think we have another target lined up. Tick tock.

[FeedTheArf]

If Swansea were trying sell us a dud in Clucas to buy Woods from Brentford why don't we just cut out the middleman and get Woods ourselves?! Younger, more potential, presumably lower wage demands, a more exciting signing all round and with our Brentford loyalty card we only need to sign one more player from them to get a free one!

[SkiptonClaret]

If Swansea were trying sell us a dud in Clucas to buy Woods from Brentford why don't we just cut out the middleman and get Woods ourselves?! Younger, more potential, presumably lower wage demands, a more exciting signing all round and with our Brentford loyalty card we only need to sign one more player from them to get a free one!

Because we don’t generally do younger players ? Clucas more experience, worker, fits the framework ? Uninspiring ? undoubtedly, but no arguing it’s proved effective if a little difficult to watch at times.

[Silkyskills1]

maybe our concern about Defour has increased since we started pursuing the deal. And we now need a signing to be ready to play immediately.

Maybe the medical for clucas has shown a more serious injury than we’d expected.

Maybe we’ve got other irons in the fire which we’re confident we can pull off which allows us to put clucas on hold as we don’t feel any other clubs will come in for him in the short term.

Whether or not we have other irons in the fire( which I doubt) we surely don't need another crocked player to add to what we already have.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Worrying. Dyche’s net of 4 players drops to 3.

[Firthy]

Worrying. Dyche’s net of 4 players drops to 3.

Jay Rod won't be coming so make that two and one of those is a keeper. It would be disappointing if we end up with just a one outfield player who is a back up CB from this transfer window.

[Granny WeatherWax]

I still think we will get JRod

[FeedTheArf]

Because we don’t generally do younger players ? Clucas more experience, worker, fits the framework ? Uninspiring ? undoubtedly, but no arguing it’s proved effective if a little difficult to watch at times.

Yet the younger players we’ve got (early to mid 20s, not development squad fodder) have actually been our most successful. Keane, Tarks, Pope, Gray.

The fabled “framework” can be taught, look at Defour. Let’s face it a player needs to be down to one leg before Dyche changes the XI so it’s not like they’re going to come straight into the side so whoever comes in is going to spend a long time on the training pitch learning the framework!

The more I read from his current and previous managers the more I think he’d be a great fit for the group. Micky Mellon managed his at Shrewsbury and said "he's the first player on the training pitch and the last off. He's a terrific kid and has some unbelievable ability".

Definitely appears to be a solid personality, whereas there are question marks over Clucas.

[DCWat]

Must admit that I wouldn’t be overly disappointed if this move didn’t materialise. The biggest concern being, can we find someone else suitable, quickly enough.