New bid for Jay Rod

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:41 pm

I’ve just heard that we have not made any further approach for Jay. Currently no offer on the table.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:45 pm

I’d be very happy going forward with the strikers we have, to be fair

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:55 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:I’d be very happy going forward with the strikers we have, to be fair

So would I. But would Sam?
Game time will probably be the top of his priorities
right now.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:10 pm

aggi wrote:If we're signing someone for goals then Rodriguez doesn't look to be the one.

Looking at minutes per goal last season:

Wood 163
Barnes 240
Vokes 245
Rodriguez 403

You could argue that he was in a struggling West Brom team last season, they scored 5 fewer than us in total.

In regards to West Brom could that be a creativity issue?

He still did relativity well, especially when compared to Ayew, who someone on here said he has an eye for goal

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:15 pm

As much as I love the thought of our Jay coming home, I would rather have Vokes.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:20 pm

Vokes’s goals have been priceless for us, not least because no one else in the squad would have scored a lot of them. He is a better header of the ball than Wood and puts himself about more. In some games he looks like a fish out of water but I think we still need him.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:41 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:In regards to West Brom could that be a creativity issue?

He still did relativity well, especially when compared to Ayew, who someone on here said he has an eye for goal

There could be, but if he comes here there will still be the same creativity issue. We're not the most creative of teams, West Brom had the same number of shots as us last season.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:42 pm

The chances of it happening nowadays may be thin but who wouldn't be surprised if deals didn't go ahead because they couldn't get hold of Dyche in Turkey?

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:44 pm

superdimitri wrote:The chances of it happening nowadays may be thin but who wouldn't be surprised if deals didn't go ahead because they couldn't get hold of Dyche in Turkey?

He will be having a turkish bath

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:44 pm

claretdj wrote:Vokes is going nowhere! Why would we sell our best striker? N to swap for Jay rod would be absolutely crazy me thinks..

Our best striker? Obviously Dyche disagrees, when all strikers are fully fit it's quite clear Wood was first choice, with Barnes 2nd. How many times did Vokes start last year? must be around 5 games.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:47 pm

looking at the signing of Vydra and the interest in Jay, it might be that we aren't going to be as direct this season - IF that is the case then Sam might get very little game time. He's been a huge player for us and 'd be sad to see him go tbh

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:12 pm

aggi wrote:If we're signing someone for goals then Rodriguez doesn't look to be the one.

Looking at minutes per goal last season:

Wood 163
Barnes 240
Vokes 245
Rodriguez 403

You could argue that he was in a struggling West Brom team last season, they scored 5 fewer than us in total.

Wood has a scoring record better than one every two games? I’m genuinely shocked at that.

edwardianclaret · Post by **edwardianclaret** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:12 pm

Sams off to WBA . Sad times :/

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:15 pm

Cash plus Vokes to WBA as part of a deal for Rodriguez?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

That would be like stealing out wallet and kicking us in the nuts.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:21 pm

I hope we keep Sam. I'm a huge fan and always have been. His goals to minutes ratio in the Premier League is fantastic, and he links the play more smoothly than either Barnes or Wood (although Barnes is better at battling on his own, and Wood runs the channels more effectively). And he's an all round good egg.

If Jay comes in, there must be a good chance he's surplus to requirements though. Jay post injuries looks to be a very effective, but slightly different player - less explosive and quick, so less suited to playing out wide, and more about playing to his intelligence and technical skill in a slightly deeper version of the role Sam plays. I'm not sure how they'd play together effectively, which must restrict further the minutes Sam would get on the pitch.

That said, we had 5 strikers last season - Walters being the 5th until he got injured - so perhaps we'd want the same number this time around. The difficulty is keeping 5 strikers in their prime happy. That might be more doable if we're in Europe, so it may be that we want to keep Vokes for now and see how we get on in the qualifiers before offering him a loan move.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:21 pm

If we were 1 nil down with ten minutes to go , who would you like to come on to rescue a point, J-rod or Vokesy? Vokesy every time for me.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:27 pm

karatekid wrote:If we were 1 nil down with ten minutes to go , who would you like to come on to rescue a point, J-rod or Vokesy? Vokesy every time for me.

If we were 1 nil up with ten minutes to go, who would you like to bring on to protect our lead and ensure 3 points?

Vokesy every time

Big Sam doesn't simply score vital goals he stops other teams from scoring vital goals.

ClaretKent · Post by **ClaretKent** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:45 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:If we were 1 nil up with ten minutes to go, who would you like to bring on to protect our lead and ensure 3 points?

Vokesy every time

Big Sam doesn't simply score vital goals he stops other teams from scoring vital goals.

Spot on

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:46 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:If we were 1 nil up with ten minutes to go, who would you like to bring on to protect our lead and ensure 3 points?

Vokesy every time

Big Sam doesn't simply score vital goals he stops other teams from scoring vital goals.

Exactly - on both counts. Good post.

Bones · Post by **Bones** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:49 pm

Can they not take Nakhi Wells instead?

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:51 pm

If you want to play football rather than just hoofing it up front then who would you rather have? Jay Rod every time for me.

Sam has been great and I certainly wouldn't want him to go for the reasons stated above, but maybe this is Sean Dyche's way of evolving our style of play a little more. All of Barnes, Wood and Jay are good in the air (Yes Vokes is better than all of them probably) and they are all better footballers for me.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:52 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:Cash plus Vokes to WBA as part of a deal for Rodriguez?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

That would be like stealing out wallet and kicking us in the nuts.

Is this our payback on West Brom? We buy Jay, loan them Vokes, then recall him.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:54 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:Wood has a scoring record better than one every two games? I’m genuinely shocked at that.

All 3 of our main strikers last season had outstanding goalscoring records. Hugely underrated. That's never been our issue with goalscoring. Our issue has been that the rest of the team doesn't score many goals.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:58 pm

Don’t really buy into the hype of Rodriguez coming home, Vokes is more burnley then Rodriguez will ever be and him leaving might be one of the saddest I’ve felt about a player leaving.

edwardianclaret · Post by **edwardianclaret** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:01 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Don’t really buy into the hype of Rodriguez coming home, Vokes is more burnley then Rodriguez will ever be and him leaving might be one of the saddest I’ve felt about a player leaving.

I feel exactly the same

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:02 pm

Just can't recall Sam coming off the bench with minutes to go to see out a victory. Barnes has though. As some have suggested any move could well be instigated by Sam himself. 7 starts last season,I believe, suggests that he wants a lot more game time and no one can blame him for that.A model professional on and off the field,something that Dyche craves but the irony may be that he will have to let his 'good egg' find pastures new in preparation for the return of the prodigal son.

Burnley87 · Post by **Burnley87** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:15 pm

Vokes out of contract at the end of the season and could leave for nothing. Makes sense to me!!!

May have turned down a new contract or not willing, last chance to cash in is now

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:16 pm

Can't allow sentimentality to get in the way of progress yet ironically jay in and Sam out both carry the sentimentality tag. We continue to evolve which is vital as if you stand still you get found out in this league. I think the style of play Dyche wants to evolve towards will see Big Sam on his way one way or another.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:19 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:Wood has a scoring record better than one every two games? I’m genuinely shocked at that.

I knew he scored a decent amount last season but I was a bit surprised too. He scored 10 and only started 16 matches though.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:30 pm

Bones wrote:Can they not take Nakhi Wells instead?

We could throw in Walters as well for good measure. Sam must stay. Almost everyone on this board thinks so.

Billy_Bumface · Post by **Billy_Bumface** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:41 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Don’t really buy into the hype of Rodriguez coming home, Vokes is more burnley then Rodriguez will ever be and him leaving might be one of the saddest I’ve felt about a player leaving.

My sentiments exactly.

Yearofthefox · Post by **Yearofthefox** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:42 pm

Where has the vokes as part of the deal been rumoured?

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:45 pm

And it seems that almost everyone on this board wants to see the return of Jay Rodriguez so something has to give.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:46 pm

Yearofthefox wrote:Where has the vokes as part of the deal been rumoured?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/ ... s-15005018" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:54 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Is this our payback on West Brom? We buy Jay, loan them Vokes, then recall him.

Nah, that we would be petty and we are bigger and better than that.

We simply sit back and watch their dream of promoting back up at the first time of asking fade and die. By the next window reality should have set in.

We can then go back and make them early "take it or leave it" offers at prices far below what they are currently asking, providing that we are still interested in any of their players.

If those offers aren't acceptable, or they are still deluding themselves, we learn our lesson from this window (and other windows in the case of WBA) and quickly move on.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:55 pm

i think its just because some like the name Jay Rod, and a bit of ancient history when he was here.
some players become fans favourites for no good reason.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:57 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:i think its just because some like the name Jay Rod, and a bit of ancient history when he was here.
some players become fans favourites for no good reason.

Bait.

Gnulty · Post by **Gnulty** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:58 pm

Of course Sam Vokes must stay, he's one of our landmarks, making sure we're not off course...

.UTC!

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:59 pm

Vokes + cash for Rodriguez? You must be having a laugh! Vokes is the better striker, is younger and is nowhere near as injury prone!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:59 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Is this our payback on West Brom? We buy Jay, loan them Vokes, then recall him.

Don't think you can recall players on season long loans.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:00 pm

I'd rather not lose Vokes than sign Rodriguez

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:03 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/ ... s-15005018

However, according to the Daily Mail, Big Dave hopes to convince him of a move to the Hawthorns where he would replace Salomon Rondon and link up with Dwight Gayle.

I thought I hadn't seen him post for a while.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:03 pm

Burnley87 wrote:Vokes out of contract at the end of the season and could leave for nothing. Makes sense to me!!!

May have turned down a new contract or not willing, last chance to cash in is now

Id rather we give The Vokes Man £18m to sign a new deal

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:10 pm

martin_p wrote:Bait.

no, its called thinking for yourself, try it sometime instead of clinging on desperately to what everyone else asks you to think.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:11 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:no, its called thinking for yourself, try it sometime instead of clinging on desperately to what everyone else asks you to think.

More bait!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:13 pm

Dyched wrote:Id rather we give The Vokes Man £18m to sign a new deal

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:13 pm

Just seen someone post on twitter, that according to SSN , an 18mill bid has just been rejected for JayRod.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:16 pm

burnleymik wrote:Just seen someone post on twitter, that according to SSN , an 18mill bid has just been rejected for JayRod.

If that's the case, I think we've no choice but to walk away!

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:17 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Vokes + cash for Rodriguez? You must be having a laugh! Vokes is the better striker, is younger and is nowhere near as injury prone!

Injury prone?? Go on, give us the facts that back that up....

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:20 pm

Spijed wrote:If that's the case, I think we've no choice but to walk away!

Again.