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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Jeremy_Bentham » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:36 pm

Steddyman wrote:Clearly something has shifted at the board level with this big influx of offers going out. This is the complete opposite of our approach until this point.
. suspects that being taken to extra time by Aberdeen after two legs has something to do with it.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by mkmel » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:39 pm

IanMcL wrote:Sorted.
Come on Ian

Spill the beans

What's sorted

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by IanMcL » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:41 pm

mkmel wrote:Come on Ian

Spill the beans

What's sorted
He is imminently a Claret.


Mee replacement.... :|

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Longtimeclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:43 pm

ClaretAL wrote:So you think somehow CT writes an article with all the information and photographs perfectly formatted in the instant of a "publicised" report? believe what you like but I prefer Fact and until either BFC of CT publish, it is still not over the line for me :) and once bitten twice shy etc...

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by mkmel » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:43 pm

So it's not sorted yet

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Stayingup » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:43 pm

Stevie Morgan wrote:Unfortunately after the initial excitement of our bid, I don't think we will get Gibson because:

a) Our ridiculous incremental bidding approach allows more time for other parties to get involved and out bid us
b) Our bids have been projected everywhere by Boro and also Pulis comments to create a bidding war which we will inevitably lose.

If we had been more aggressive we could have at least forced the hand of other clubs interested earlier (or got the player) and then moved on. Our approach risks missing preferred targets or being held to random right at end of window anyway.

Hope I'm wrong.
Looks like you were.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:44 pm

mdd2 wrote:The only real good thing about the word fenestration is the verb to defenestrate but it is nice to see, if true, that we are not being ****ed for once
"Defenestration" is when someone "exits" through a window. So, while looking for alliteration to go with "Friday" I decided "fenestration" is a good fit.
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Longtimeclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:44 pm

Chill out Al

But try and work out , that BFC will publicise the deal, and then others run around and play catch up

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:48 pm

. wrote:. suspects that being taken to extra time by Aberdeen after two legs has something to do with it.
. may be right:

Sean Dyche: "Mr Chairman, I think we need to sign some new footballers.
Mike Garlick: "Mr Dyche, ok, but we can only sign them after we've beaten Aberdeen, and, please try not to break any more of them."


UTC

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by mkmel » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:56 pm

Looking on the Middlesbrough forums it looks like it is a done deal with Boro accepting a £15M offer

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by scouseclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:58 pm

Dyche has clearly been laying the law down with his increasingly frustrated comments to the press. You can only imagine what he’s been saying - possibly threatening - in the boardroom.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:04 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Dyche has clearly been laying the law down with his increasingly frustrated comments to the press. You can only imagine what he’s been saying - possibly threatening - in the boardroom.
What would he be threatening to the board? The same board who pay him a few million quid a year.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by k90bfc » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:07 pm

Trust in Sean,Keep Calm,He knows what hes doing,more solid signings on the way,at a Burnley safe price! As a bonus ,English Players,Who know what it is about.UTC.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Sutton-Claret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:10 pm

I'm having visions of Garlick tied up in a shoe cupboard with Sean on the phone with Garlicks credit card in his hand.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by scouseclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:10 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:What would he be threatening to the board? The same board who pay him a few million quid a year.
Is that a serious question?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:15 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Dyche has clearly been laying the law down with his increasingly frustrated comments to the press. You can only imagine what he’s been saying - possibly threatening - in the boardroom.
Anyone think that Sean Dyche and Mike Garlick have got everything planned together?

MG: "Sean, can you do a press interview, say how difficult transfer market is.... etc etc. You know the form....."
SD: "Yes, I can do that, Mr Chairman."
MG: "Then we will get the transfers done, go in and make offers that the other club(s) can't refuse. No sense overpaying when these other clubs start getting silly."
SD: "Great plan, Mr Chairman. Always good when a plan comes together."

Anyone who thinks SD and MG aren't working together is spending too much time reading about ManU and JM and Chelsea and (most of) their manager(s).

UTC
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by mdd2 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:18 pm

Paul Waine wrote:"Defenestration" is when someone "exits" through a window. So, while looking for alliteration to go with "Friday" I decided "fenestration" is a good fit.
Hi Paul I was being a tad rude as there is another meaning to defenestrate and relates to another kind of "window" which gets broken in ladies, hence my barbed reference to us being ****ed in the transfer market.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Shore claret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:22 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Anyone think that Sean Dyche and Mike Garlick have got everything planned together?

MG: "Sean, can you do a press interview, say how difficult transfer market is.... etc etc. You know the form....."
SD: "Yes, I can do that, Mr Chairman."
MG: "Then we will get the transfers done, go in and make offers that the other club(s) can't refuse. No sense overpaying when these other clubs start getting silly."
SD: "Great plan, Mr Chairman. Always good when a plan comes together."

Anyone who thinks SD and MG aren't working together is spending too much time reading about ManU and JM and Chelsea and (most of) their manager(s).

UTC
At least some people on here have some sense

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Longsider » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:26 pm

Steddyman wrote:Clearly something has shifted at the board level with this big influx of offers going out. This is the complete opposite of our approach until this point.

Good to see. I'm glad Mike reads the board and has listened to me :)
Don't we do the same every transfer window leave it till late on.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by jedi_master » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:30 pm

This is a stunning signing at that value. If Dyche can work his magic on him the same way he did Keane, Shackl, Mee and Tarky then we will have another £40/50m defender at the end of this coming season, and probably another England international - that’s how highly I rate Gibson’s potential.

I prey this isn’t seeing Mee leave though as it would be fantastic to have those three really elite quality centre backs (for our non top 6/rest of Prem level) all competing for the first 11. It might even allow SD the chance to try a 352 out.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:31 pm

mdd2 wrote:Hi Paul I was being a tad rude as there is another meaning to defenestrate and relates to another kind of "window" which gets broken in ladies, hence my barbed reference to us being ****ed in the transfer market.
Hi mdd2, always some interesting stuff in Wikipedia:

"Defenestration is the act of throwing someone or something out of a window.[1] The term was coined around the time of an incident in Prague Castle in the year 1618, which became the spark that started the Thirty Years' War. This was done in "good Bohemian style" and referred to the defenestration which had occurred in Prague's City Hall almost 200 years earlier (July 1419), which also at that occasion led to war, the Hussite war.[2] The word comes from the New Latin[3] de- (out of or away from) and fenestra (window or opening).[4] Likewise, it can also refer to the condition of being thrown out of a window, as in "The Defenestration of Ermintrude Inch".[5]
While the act of defenestration connotes the forcible or peremptory removal of an adversary, and the term is sometimes used in just that sense,[6] it also suggests breaking the windows in the process (de- also means removal)."


I've learnt something about the "Prague Castle defenestration." First time I heard the word I believe was in relation to Prague Spring, 1968. It was also reported that defenestration was "exercised" during the Hungarian uprising in 1956. I am too young to claim contemporary knowledge at that time.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by scouseclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:36 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Anyone think that Sean Dyche and Mike Garlick have got everything planned together?

MG: "Sean, can you do a press interview, say how difficult transfer market is.... etc etc. You know the form....."
SD: "Yes, I can do that, Mr Chairman."
MG: "Then we will get the transfers done, go in and make offers that the other club(s) can't refuse. No sense overpaying when these other clubs start getting silly."
SD: "Great plan, Mr Chairman. Always good when a plan comes together."

Anyone who thinks SD and MG aren't working together is spending too much time reading about ManU and JM and Chelsea and (most of) their manager(s).

UTC
Nice thought, but I really don’t see how SD saying publicly - a week before the window shuts - that if you want to get deals done these days you need to pay full whack, means that we’re going to get players any cheaper. Certainly we seem to be paying the asking price for Gibson, and will probably have to for Jayrod if we’re to get that one done.

Not really sure what you’re getting at.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Hipper » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:42 pm

I only last year learned what fenestration is. Architects talk of it when referring to the windows of a building - 'tedious fenestration'.

Now we are talking 'defenestration' and apparently there are sexual connotations to the word. It's too much for a young lad.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by lrac » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:02 pm

Am I right in saying the bid of 15m is accepted

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by mkmel » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:03 pm

Yes

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by mkmel » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:04 pm

Has Ben Gibson ever been called up to the England squad?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by mdd2 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:06 pm

Fenestra latin means an opening in a wall or a window hence fenetre in French meaning window.
As for Paul's last post I had seen it tonight when I googled for reference to deflowering which is also there but disputed although it has been used pari passu with defenestartion in my circles for many a year but of course it may be incorrect.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Silkyskills1 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:10 pm

jedi_master wrote:This is a stunning signing at that value. If Dyche can work his magic on him the same way he did Keane, Shackl, Mee and Tarky then we will have another £40/50m defender at the end of this coming season, and probably another England international - that’s how highly I rate Gibson’s potential.

I prey this isn’t seeing Mee leave though as it would be fantastic to have those three really elite quality centre backs (for our non top 6/rest of Prem level) all competing for the first 11. It might even allow SD the chance to try a 352 out.
No way are Burnley going to adopt a 352 formation. The whole defensive system is based on a solid back 4 where players know where they ought to be on the field when we haven't got the ball. It's taken a lot of time, hard work and drills to reach where we are and that isn't going to change under Sean Dyche's watch very soon.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Ilkley claret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:11 pm

Something doesn't stack up with this signing

I think he signed a new 5 year deal with them last season.

Nephew of the owner, who is loaded and doesn't need the money.

Highly rated

They want to get back to PL?

selling to us won't go down well with their fans?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:13 pm

Ilkley claret wrote:Something doesn't stack up with this signing

I think he signed a new 5 year deal with them last season.

Nephew of the owner, who is loaded and doesn't need the money.

Highly rated

They want to get back to PL?

selling to us won't go down well with their fans?
Maybe he has a release clause.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:16 pm

Ilkley claret wrote:Something doesn't stack up with this signing

I think he signed a new 5 year deal with them last season.

Nephew of the owner, who is loaded and doesn't need the money.

Highly rated

They want to get back to PL?

selling to us won't go down well with their fans?
He has ambitions to play at a higher level and internationally - the realisation that he won’t do that with Boro anytime soon is sinking in, and we look to be the best option for young English players wanting to achieve. Afterall, we’ve supplied more new England players that most other top flight teams haven’t we...

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:17 pm

They have a few Centre Backs and Pulis wants to spend elsewhere in the team

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:20 pm

Maybe some kind of gentleman's agreement that if they didn't go up last season he could leave? Also he's probably not big or numb enough for a Pulis centre half, didn't they sign Aden Flint from Bristol this summer?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Cubanclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:20 pm

Their fans seemed surprisingly non plussed on the forum I read, by all accounts he’s not been in good form over the last season. In fact plenty of them seemed quite happy to see him go. Im sure Sean will sort him out.
I wonder if they’ll get it over the line in time for Sunday’s friendly. And will he automatically be available for Europa League ?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by IanMcL » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:26 pm

mkmel wrote:Has Ben Gibson ever been called up to the England squad?
Yes
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Cubanclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:35 pm

Apparently ‘promised’ a move when Boro didn’t bounce back as Southgate told him he wouldn’t be considered for England playing in the Championship. He agreed to give it a year and has fallen out of the England frame. This was the talk up there immediately after the end of the season - the only surprise is that it’s taken all summer for someone to come in for him. Good for us.
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:43 pm

Ilkley claret wrote:Something doesn't stack up with this signing
Jesus, Ilkley, who cares?
Let's not look a gift horse in the old north and south.

And bollix to their fans.
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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Ilkley claret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:45 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:Apparently ‘promised’ a move when Boro didn’t bounce back as Southgate told him he wouldn’t be considered for England playing in the Championship, he agreed to give it a year. This was the talk up there immediately after the end of the season - the only surprise is that it’s taken all summer for someone to come in for him. Good for us.
If this is the case, it's tantamount to saying the Owner doesn't believe in his own manager to coach his nephew and get them promoted in style.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Ilkley claret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:54 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Jesus, Ilkley, who cares?
Let's not look a gift horse in the old north and south.

And bollix to their fans.
There are no gift horses in the football transfer market, certainly not Steve Gibson.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:56 pm

Ilkley claret wrote:There are no gift horses in the football transfer market, certainly not Steve Gibson.
There might not be any gift horses but there is definitely a financial hole that needs plugging at Boro.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:56 pm

So what's bugging you about this?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by joey13 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:59 pm

So Gibson is Keanes replacement?

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Cubanclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:06 pm

Also seems like Dyche and Pulis’ conviviality helped keep this one smooth. I wonder whether the Vokes thing might still happen for Boro IF Burnley are successful in luring Jay Rod (or other forward).

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Ilkley claret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:07 pm

As I said in my original post, it seems to good to be true.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Wokingclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:15 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:Also seems like Dyche and Pulis’ conviviality helped keep this one smooth. I wonder whether the Vokes thing might still happen for Boro IF Burnley are successful in luring Jay Rod (or other forward).
Pulis might want Walters too

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:17 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Nice thought, but I really don’t see how SD saying publicly - a week before the window shuts - that if you want to get deals done these days you need to pay full whack, means that we’re going to get players any cheaper. Certainly we seem to be paying the asking price for Gibson, and will probably have to for Jayrod if we’re to get that one done.

Not really sure what you’re getting at.
Hi scouse, my point is that Sean Dyche and Mike Garlick have not fallen out. Everyone is working together. Sean's interviews is sending the message "Burnley will not overpay" - in a way that helps our cause.

I'd seen City quoted as wanting £5 million for Joe Hart - it's now being reported we've got him for £4 million.

Let's wait and see how all the other business turns out.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Steddyman » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:42 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:Also seems like Dyche and Pulis’ conviviality helped keep this one smooth. I wonder whether the Vokes thing might still happen for Boro IF Burnley are successful in luring Jay Rod (or other forward).
There is no way we will be letting go of Sam in this window. He is our best target man for holding the ball up.

If he had Ashleys elbows and his ability to fall over when a feather lands on him, he would be a world beater.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:54 pm

Let's chuck in Walters for nothing as part of the deal just to get him off the wage bill.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:59 pm

Ilkley claret wrote:Something doesn't stack up with this signing

I think he signed a new 5 year deal with them last season.

Nephew of the owner, who is loaded and doesn't need the money.

Highly rated

They want to get back to PL?

selling to us won't go down well with their fans?
I think he probably had a promise in place, that if they didn't bounce back he could try his luck elsewhere. He's one of their own, much like Jay to us, and although you don't want to lose them you also don't want to hold them back.

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Re: Ben Gibson

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:03 pm

Ilkley claret wrote:Something doesn't stack up with this signing

I think he signed a new 5 year deal with them last season.

Nephew of the owner, who is loaded and doesn't need the money.

Highly rated

They want to get back to PL?

selling to us won't go down well with their fans?
It's fine to have one season in the championship for your career (after being in the prem) but I'm struggling to remember any player having two or more seasons in there and their career progressing.

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