Ben Gibson

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:23 pm

Probably and hopefully 2 for each position, Gibson and Mee for left cb and tarks and long right cb. Good cover and rotate for cups etc... (and 5 keepers!)

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:31 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Hi scouse, my point is that Sean Dyche and Mike Garlick have not fallen out. Everyone is working together. Sean's interviews is sending the message "Burnley will not overpay" - in a way that helps our cause.

I'd seen City quoted as wanting £5 million for Joe Hart - it's now being reported we've got him for £4 million.

Let's wait and see how all the other business turns out.

I don’t think City are going to waste much time arguing over £1m. I read Sean’s comments more as “We’ve tried not overpaying and it doesn’t work. Time to pony-up, Mr Chairman.”

Not sure if it amounts to a fall-out, but I suspect there has been a full and frank “exchange of views.”

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:45 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:don't see any boro fans thinking he's worth more than 15 million on their forum

that 's a reflection on boro fans seeing a **** team, not on the player ability.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:46 pm

scouseclaret wrote:I don’t think City are going to waste much time arguing over £1m. I read Sean’s comments more as “We’ve tried not overpaying and it doesn’t work. Time to pony-up, Mr Chairman.”

Not sure if it amounts to a fall-out, but I suspect there has been a full and frank “exchange of views.”

I reckon the reluctance to spend is more that Garlick may set the budget, but Dyche is in charge of spending it, and (possibly unlike some of our posters) Dyche understands that if you spend the whole budget on Dawson and Rodriguez, you can't spend it on anyone else.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:01 am

Cubanclaret wrote:Also seems like Dyche and Pulis’ conviviality helped keep this one smooth.

Just like when we tried to sign players from West Brom?
Incidentally it's curious that the Welsh word for window is ffenestr too. Must be one of these modern words taken into the welsh language like ffôn (phone) or camera digidol (digital camera).

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:07 am

dsr wrote:(possibly unlike some of our posters)

I think some of our posters dont understand you have to
take your trousers down when you go to the bog.

Ilkley claret · Post by **Ilkley claret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:41 am

The last time Pulis sold us a CH " saying he's never let me down" it didn't turn out that well for us.

Pulls is a decent judge of defenders.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:29 am

Steddyman wrote:Clearly something has shifted at the board level with this big influx of offers going out. This is the complete opposite of our approach until this point.

Good to see. I'm glad Mike reads the board and has listened to me

It's called the impending transfer deadline you knob. That's why people have been telling you for the last few weeks to be patient. See you in January.

wilsoncgp · Post by **wilsoncgp** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:00 am

Boro fan in peace.

Most of what's been said on here is pretty much spot on. Ben was almost undoubtedly given promotion assurances last season and through hiring a talentless young coaching team and giving them free reign to spend huge sums of money on average players (£7m for Ashley Fletcher will never be forgotten, West Ham were wetting themselves laughing) we failed the lad. Pulis came in in December and marginally improved us but it was too little too late.

£15m is a relatively low fee for what he's actually worth and absolutely represents value for money for Burnley. I'm pretty sure we were turning down offers up to £10m more than that last summer. Ben had been one of the best young defenders in the Championship before getting promoted, similar to Keane. Then he was by far our best player in the Prem the year we both went up, was one of the few players who looked like they Premier League quality. He's not had a great season for us in the Champipnship this year but ultimately that's not his fault, Garry Monk left him for dead with his 'tactics'. One thing is for sure, he's made for the Prem and should do an exceptional job for you.

I think most Boro fans who you'll see talking about this deal will have accepted in May that Ben was going to leave. There was almost certainly a deal with Southampton all but signed and sealed earlier in the summer which fell apart seemingly due to his agent mucking about. Since then it's been quiet until Burnley came in the other day. It's pretty unanimous amongst fans that with Dyche at the helm and Premier League and European football on the horizon, this would be an excellent move for the lad and we're not going to stand in his way. We wish him the best of luck and hope he keeps getting better and better in the claret and blue!

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:18 am

A classy Boro fan.

We should have him stuffed.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:58 am

From the BBC website...

"Burnley have had a £15 bid for English defender Ben Gibson, 25, accepted by Middlesbrough. (Mail)"

Now that IS cheap!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:07 am

SSN saying 15 million accepted.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:08 am

wilsoncgp wrote:Boro fan in peace.

Most of what's been said on here is pretty much spot on. Ben was almost undoubtedly given promotion assurances last season and through hiring a talentless young coaching team and giving them free reign to spend huge sums of money on average players (£7m for Ashley Fletcher will never be forgotten, West Ham were wetting themselves laughing) we failed the lad. Pulis came in in December and marginally improved us but it was too little too late.

£15m is a relatively low fee for what he's actually worth and absolutely represents value for money for Burnley. I'm pretty sure we were turning down offers up to £10m more than that last summer. Ben had been one of the best young defenders in the Championship before getting promoted, similar to Keane. Then he was by far our best player in the Prem the year we both went up, was one of the few players who looked like they Premier League quality. He's not had a great season for us in the Champipnship this year but ultimately that's not his fault, Garry Monk left him for dead with his 'tactics'. One thing is for sure, he's made for the Prem and should do an exceptional job for you.

I think most Boro fans who you'll see talking about this deal will have accepted in May that Ben was going to leave. There was almost certainly a deal with Southampton all but signed and sealed earlier in the summer which fell apart seemingly due to his agent mucking about. Since then it's been quiet until Burnley came in the other day. It's pretty unanimous amongst fans that with Dyche at the helm and Premier League and European football on the horizon, this would be an excellent move for the lad and we're not going to stand in his way. We wish him the best of luck and hope he keeps getting better and better in the claret and blue!

What a great post!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:11 am

Have my fingers crossed on this one. Ive always been impressed by Gibson and i think he'd fit in well to our system. The quoted price seems decent value in the current market.

The thing about Gibson is that hes been a captain at Boro and my impression is hes a talker. I think Tarks needs that alongside him so if we are signing a replacement for Mee, Gibson actually feels a better bet than Mawson or Dawson.

wilsoncgp · Post by **wilsoncgp** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:28 am

Him and Ayala formed a great partnership through great communication. They knew each other back to front. If he can form that kind of relationship with Tarkowski, that will be a mean partnership in the Prem.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:29 am

What does this potential signing mean for Mee? Are they just going offer him a final 'take it or leave it deal?'

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:32 am

If Ben does not sign up before we sign Gibson then he will be off somewhere before the deadline.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:36 am

summitclaret wrote:If Ben does not sign up before we sign Gibson then he will be off somewhere before the deadline.

But that does still leave us with only 3cb. Much as I like this deal Dawson offered a two site option which I do not think Gibson does.
If Mee is off maybe Dawson is still a possibility.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:17 pm

an interesting point of note is we are paying boro the same amount of money we were prepared to pay for mawson that swansea accepted and mawson is a better defender,,,,pullis is also a fine judge of centre halves

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:50 pm

Not wishing to put a downer on things, but Ty Marshall who only ever reports what the club want him to, says it will be a difficult deal to do re terms... Preparing for disappointment?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:58 pm

Grumps wrote:Not wishing to put a downer on things, but Ty Marshall who only ever reports what the club want him to, says it will be a difficult deal to do re terms... Preparing for disappointment?

Your username is correct. Cant you just let us have a day of fun with this. Read that tweet earlier and chose to ignore it ha ha

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:00 pm

Grumps wrote:Not wishing to put a downer on things, but Ty Marshall who only ever reports what the club want him to, says it will be a difficult deal to do re terms... Preparing for disappointment?

He said exactly the same thing about the Clucas deal yesterday.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:01 pm

mdd2 wrote:But that does still leave us with only 3cb. Much as I like this deal Dawson offered a two site option which I do not think Gibson does.
If Mee is off maybe Dawson is still a possibility.

Will decent players want to sit on the bench though, hence why it might be very difficult to get a good defender to sit alongside Kevin Long.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:05 pm

agreenwood wrote:He said exactly the same thing about the Clucas deal yesterday.

It's what the club will be telling him..... Clucas gone very quiet

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:38 pm

wilsoncgp wrote:Him and Ayala formed a great partnership through great communication. They knew each other back to front. If he can form that kind of relationship with Tarkowski, that will be a mean partnership in the Prem.

Sir, you are far to intelligent to live in Middlesbrough, I’ve worked there.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:40 pm

If we can get him I think he would start ahead of Mee (better distribution), and I would thus sell Mee if I could if he will not sign a new deal.

The reason being that if we got, say, £10m for Ben, that in one fell swoop gets Dawson and Jay over the line. Those types of levels (approx £5m retained profit after City’s cut and expenses) are what we squabble over, and lose out on players over. It’s the kind of horse trading Redknapp was good at.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:40 pm

Gibson not travelled to Millwall today. Medical?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:41 pm

MG said we would be breaking the club transfer record this window. I’m guessing that’s for JRod but if not spend it on the terms to get this lad. Right age and under SD he will be superb.

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:45 pm

A bit worried that some other team is going to come in for him and p##s on our parade.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:45 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:The reason being that if we got, say, £10m for Ben

£10m for a guy with 3 years PL experience, including one of captaining a team to 7th place. Not less than £20m. Not that I want him to go but I am getting concerned.
Still don’t think he’d be sold before January window with the possibility of EL matches.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:08 pm

Gibson hasn't travelled with the Boro squad for today's game.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:09 pm

They could have dropped him off on the way

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:14 pm

fatboy47 wrote:A classy Boro fan.

We should have him stuffed.

Send him a Burnley shirt instead.

It's never to late to make the right decision.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:14 pm

I'm currently in Middlesbrough if he wants picking up

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:15 pm

I saw him walking under the culvert not an hour ago, staring up at the Royal Dyche sign. On his way to the Miners.

Honest.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:36 pm

15m bid apparently accepted for Gibson.
Sounds about right and possibly a better bet than either Dawson or Mawson.

I'm pretty sure Dyche will be able to get the best out of him and if he does then
he'll be 25m+ in a season or so.

Not in the starting 11 for Boro' at Millwall nor on the bench so this looks like
a 'goer'. Let's hope we can agree terms for him.

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:41 pm

If we land him is the consensus that he is a better purchase than Mawson? Some reports saying we have paid the same for a lesser player. I think he will be a great signing but would we have preferred Mawson?

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:09 pm

Personal terms....when Gibson signed his long term deal at Middlesbrough one would assume he’d have been on better money than our top earners.
Will Gibson need to settle for a comparable package than the one we’ve offered Ben Mee I wonder ?
If so I can imagine it’s far from cut and dried. Can we be flexible with our wage structure?

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:18 pm

Longsider wrote:If we land him is the consensus that he is a better purchase than Mawson? Some reports saying we have paid the same for a lesser player. I think he will be a great signing but would we have preferred Mawson?

Not me. Id have been delighted with Gibson last year at probably more money. At 15m he would be a brilliant signing.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:23 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:Can we be flexible with our wage structure?

Yeah.

If they argue for a bigger salary, we offer em less.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:24 pm

Longsider wrote:If we land him is the consensus that he is a better purchase than Mawson? Some reports saying we have paid the same for a lesser player. I think he will be a great signing but would we have preferred Mawson?

I'd be very happy with Gibson, the argument for Mawson would be he's a year younger than Gibson and comes with Premier League experience.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:28 pm

CombatClaret wrote:I'd be very happy with Gibson, the argument for Mawson would be he's a year younger than Gibson and comes with Premier League experience.

Gibson played for Boro under Karanka whilst they were in the Prem.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:45 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:Personal terms....when Gibson signed his long term deal at Middlesbrough one would assume he’d have been on better money than our top earners.
Will Gibson need to settle for a comparable package than the one we’ve offered Ben Mee I wonder ?
If so I can imagine it’s far from cut and dried. Can we be flexible with our wage structure?

About £40k a week apparently at Boro.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:36 pm

Pulis has apparently said the deal is done in his post-match press conference.

wilsoncgp · Post by **wilsoncgp** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:47 pm

Indeed, think he mentioned Burnley by name. Missing today so wouldn't be surprised if he was just going through the standard social media unravelling stuff right now. I can't see his terms being an issue despite what seemingly happened at Southampton. He won't let that ruin his chance to make this move now.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:12 pm

Mee off?

Barnesy · Post by **Barnesy** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:16 pm

Great praise from Pulis. If anybody knows a decent defender when they see one!

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:23 pm

Pulis post match comments. http://www.skysports.com/share/10009512" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It’s happening.

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:29 pm

piston broke wrote:Pulis post match comments. http://www.skysports.com/share/10009512" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It’s happening.

Always liked Pulis

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:45 pm

This is an exciting signing of it goes through. Top quality player, at a decent price with scope to develop further. Preferable to either Dawson or Mawson in my view.