Ben Gibson

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:49 pm

"He's going, it's agreed, it's done."

That's it, then. No messing around from TP. Pretty final.
Welcome, Ben.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:06 pm

This is a great signing. Make no mistake.

I am very happy with this. Land Clucas and Jay Rod (maybe Dawson too) and i think top half should be our aim. (By which i mean probably 9-11)

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:13 pm

I'll keep stroking my worry beads.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:15 pm

IanMcL wrote:I'll keep stroking my worry beads.

Is that some ghastly euphemism, Ian?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:17 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Is that some ghastly euphemism, Ian?

Not on this iccasion. I think we are in transition and that is always dangerous.

Need a good cohesive start.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:24 pm

So potentially:

................................Heaton.....................................

Lowton................Tarks.............Gibson.........Taylor......

.JBG..............Defour................Cork.................Brady...

.............................Barnes..............................................

..........................................Vokes..................................

Woahohooo! What a ******* team!

And what a bench:

Lennon
Mee
Long
Pope
Hendrick
Wood
Ward

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:26 pm

Glad you put "potentially", Diesel.

Hope I'm wrong, of course, but I don't think we'll be seeing Defour any time soon.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:32 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Glad you put "potentially", Diesel.

Hope I'm wrong, of course, but I don't think we'll be seeing Defour any time soon.

I hope you're wrong as well mate, the thing is when he does come back, with the depth we are adding to the squad, we don't have to flog him to death like last year.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:37 pm

Diesel wrote:So potentially:

................................Heaton.....................................

Lowton................Tarks.............Gibson.........Taylor......

.JBG..............Defour................Cork.................Brady...

.............................Barnes..............................................

..........................................Vokes..................................

Woahohooo! What a ******* team!

And what a bench:

Lennon
Mee
Long
Pope
Hendrick
Wood
Ward

If we start most games with Barnes and Vokes up top its gonna be a long, painful season down near the bottom of the league

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:42 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:If we start most games with Barnes and Vokes up top its gonna be a long, painful season down near the bottom of the league

Just like last season then...

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:01 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Just like last season then...

How many games did those two start up top together, not many I reckon so no nothing like last season

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:30 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:How many games did those two start up top together, not many I reckon so no nothing like last season

Not many? Your words.

What the sexual intercourse are you basing your negative vibe on then?

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:39 pm

Hoping he's as well as not instead of Ben Mee. Whilst Tarkowski and Mee remain the first choice pairing - given the number of games we might find ourselves playing plus what we expect from our centre backs the workload will definitely need to be shared - bearing in mind what was asked of Kevin Long last season. Even as cover Gibson can reasonably expected between 10/20 games - more with injury to JT and/or BM.

This is about the best vfm signing it's possible to think of. We got away with it last season but pleased we've waited and gone for quality over quantity.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:41 pm

Gibson isn't cover, is kelbrook fisheries still decent?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:41 pm

Im basing it on the quality and attributes of the players. Vokes is at best a Premier league squad player and if he stays he should be no better than 4th choice. Barnes has come on leaps and bounds and paired with Wood we'll do ok but we looked a lot better last year with Wood up top on his own with both Vokes and Barnes on the bench.

Its no surprise Dyche only chose to play the together from the start three times in the league last season and in those games we picked up 1 point. I therefore conclude if by some miracle Dyche suddenly went for them as our starting strikers and stuck with it throughout the season our football would be crap and we would be battling down the bottom of the league

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:53 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:If we start most games with Barnes and Vokes up top its gonna be a long, painful season down near the bottom of the league

And most of your post are painfully played up to your lame user name.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Captain Boring.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:56 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:If we start most games with Barnes and Vokes up top its gonna be a long, painful season down near the bottom of the league

Ffs

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:00 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:Hoping he's as well as not instead of Ben Mee. Whilst Tarkowski and Mee remain the first choice pairing - given the number of games we might find ourselves playing plus what we expect from our centre backs the workload will definitely need to be shared - bearing in mind what was asked of Kevin Long last season. Even as cover Gibson can reasonably expected between 10/20 games - more with injury to JT and/or BM.

This is about the best vfm signing it's possible to think of. We got away with it last season but pleased we've waited and gone for quality over quantity.

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Fair do's.

Vokes started last season like a house on fire, did nothing wrong but lost his place, Barnes is Barnes, superb!

Together they will work.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:01 pm

Good points there guys. Cant believe anyone would be happy with those two up front but hell dont dare have an opinion that doesnt blow smoke up our clubs backside

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:02 pm

Let's not turn the thread into a discussion about forwards, eh. Gibson will provide big competition for Tarks and Mee. Unless Mee makes a sudden exit in the next few days, we're sorted across the whole of defence and keeper.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:15 pm

Gibson replaces Mee, Frank, no question in my mind.

Make him captain as well.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:18 pm

Unless Mee leaves Gibson is not going to replace him in the team immediately. I've never understood why Tarks and Keane before him got all the the plaudits and England chances when for me Ben has been outstanding.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:22 pm

Steddyman wrote:Unless Mee leaves Gibson is not going to replace him in the team immediately. I've never understood why Tarks and Keane before him got all the the plaudits and England chances when for me Ben has been outstanding.

Mee is looked upon as an old style defender that's why.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:31 pm

I cant see anyone we sign being available for the first team until he is Dyche fit, probably 2 to 4 weeks

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:32 pm

Steddyman wrote:Unless Mee leaves Gibson is not going to replace him in the team immediately. I've never understood why Tarks and Keane before him got all the the plaudits and England chances when for me Ben has been outstanding.

Just wait until you see Gibson's variety of passing, then you'll be saying 'Ben who?'

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:35 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I cant see anyone we sign being available for the first team until he is Dyche fit, probably 2 to 4 weeks

What even is 'Dyche fit'?

I realise we are a fit team but that term has always been a bit silly. Fairly sure Gibson, for example, is pretty fit. He was ready to play 90 minutes in a competitive game today.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:35 pm

Diesel wrote:Just wait until you see Gibson's variety of passing, then you'll be saying 'Ben who?'

I think Ben is a great passer of the ball. But as a defender at stopping attacks he is better than Tarks. Tarks also has a habit of trying to do a little to much with the ball and gets caught out sometimes.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:38 pm

Steddyman wrote:I think Ben is a great passer of the ball. But as a defender at stopping attacks he is better than Tarks. Tarks also has a habit of trying to do a little to much with the ball and gets caught out sometimes.

We're not on about Tarks though are we? Tarks is a good lad, it's Mee that hates playing for Burnley.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:38 pm

Let's see what Mr Dyche thinks when they have trained together, I'm sure he's a better judge than some of us.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:39 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:What even is 'Dyche fit'?

I realise we are a fit team but that term has always been a bit silly. Fairly sure Gibson, for example, is pretty fit. He was ready to play 90 minutes in a competitive game today.

Dyche fit is the ability to do 90 minutes covering 2 positions, and have the mentality of we dont quit, and then the major part is being able to fit in with the team framework and contribute.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:41 pm

Steddyman wrote:I think Ben is a great passer of the ball. But as a defender at stopping attacks he is better than Tarks. Tarks also has a habit of trying to do a little to much with the ball and gets caught out sometimes.

If you think Ben is a good passer of the ball, you are obviously watching on a very bad stream. He's a giant as a defender, and as brave as s lion, but a footballer he isn't.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:45 pm

Diesel wrote:I hope you're wrong as well mate, the thing is when he does come back, with the depth we are adding to the squad, we don't have to flog him to death like last year.

What depth in squad is that? Out Marney, Arfield plus Pope from injury
In Gibson as CB, ?Clucas and Hart. To what extent does that ease the burden on Defour, who some usually pretty well informed poster believes he is soon to be on a "Long boat to China"?

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:47 pm

ClaretAL wrote:Dyche fit is the ability to do 90 minutes covering 2 positions, and have the mentality of we dont quit, and then the major part is being able to fit in with the team framework and contribute.

So very little to do with fitness then apart from bring able to do 90 minutes? Stop making things up. Dyche fit is a load of bunkem.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:54 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:So very little to do with fitness then apart from bring able to do 90 minutes? Stop making things up. Dyche fit is a load of bunkem.

Didn't Jack Cork cover the most ground in the PL last season?
Dyche fit is an overused phrase but you can usually see a difference when someone has been with us for a full preseason.

They understand the ethos of the team and buy into it, it isn't just physical fitness, it's mental fitness that's part of it all.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:55 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:What even is 'Dyche fit'?

Dyche fit is what wins us so many games late on, except against the top6 who are fitter than Dyche fit.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:55 pm

mdd2 wrote:What depth in squad is that? Out Marney, Arfield plus Pope from injury
In Gibson as CB, ?Clucas and Hart. To what extent does that ease the burden on Defour, who some usually pretty well informed poster believes he is soon to be on a "Long boat to China"?

If Vokes and Barnes (or Wood) start up front, then we have four central midfielders; if they all stay fit, they can be rotated as required.

Whether SD plays that formation or chooses to rotate is another matter.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:01 pm

Anyone else worried about this deal? In fact I’m worried about all these potential deals nearly as much as I was when we seemed to be nowhere near a deal.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:02 pm

It all ties into "maximum effort - minimum requirement" or whatever values we adhere to.

At PL level you'd expect every player to be at a very similar level of physical conditioning. At Burnley it's about belief, attitude and how that's applied during the 90 plus minutes. Basically it's used as a counter to the superior technical ability of the majority of opponents at this level and so far it's been very effective.

It can be very demoralising if you're faced with a team still putting in lung-bursting recovery runs post 90 minutes - fine margins as someone once said.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:05 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Anyone else worried about this deal? In fact I’m worried about all these potential deals nearly as much as I was when we seemed to be nowhere near a deal.

Probably best if you go and lie down in a dark room for a couple of days.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:23 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Anyone else worried about this deal? In fact I’m worried about all these potential deals nearly as much as I was when we seemed to be nowhere near a deal.

Hoping for a triple announcement Monday. 27 million represents great value fot Hart, Gibson and Clucas

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:25 pm

piston broke wrote:Dyche fit is what wins us so many games late on, except against the top6 who are fitter than Dyche fit.

No they aren't. They are just technically far better players.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:45 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Anyone else worried about this deal?

What's to worry about?

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:47 pm

mdd2 wrote:What depth in squad is that? Out Marney, Arfield plus Pope from injury
In Gibson as CB, ?Clucas and Hart. To what extent does that ease the burden on Defour, who some usually pretty well informed poster believes he is soon to be on a "Long boat to China"?

This time.last year we didn't have Westwood, burden on Defour halved in the stroke of a signature.

Next.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:07 pm

Diesel wrote:This time.last year we didn't have Westwood, burden on Defour halved in the stroke of a signature.

Next.

Didnt we, when did we get him?

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:08 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:If you think Ben is a good passer of the ball, you are obviously watching on a very bad stream. He's a giant as a defender, and as brave as s lion, but a footballer he isn't.

I don't agree. I've been a season ticket holder with my family for 10 years and in the early days he was error prone. Last 2 years he's been immense.

Walnutwillie · Post by **Walnutwillie** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:10 pm

The first of 4 signings I believe .
And this is a very good signing
Have a couple of Boro mates and they are gutted
To sell for 15m
They told me that if you can sell keano for 30m
We should be getting at least that .
Think we’ve got a bargain here

Walnutwillie · Post by **Walnutwillie** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:17 pm

Clucas next up

DomBFC1882 · Post by **DomBFC1882** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:20 pm

We signed Westwood in Jan 2017 so we did have him this time last year

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:19 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:If you think Ben is a good passer of the ball, you are obviously watching on a very bad stream. He's a giant as a defender, and as brave as s lion, but a footballer he isn't.

Doesn't that depend on whether you think defending is part of football?

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:58 am

Diesel wrote:So potentially:

................................Heaton.....................................

Lowton................Tarks.............Gibson.........Taylor......

.JBG..............Defour................Cork.................Brady...

.............................Barnes..............................................

..........................................Vokes..................................

Woahohooo! What a ******* team!

And what a bench:

Lennon
Mee
Long
Pope
Hendrick
Wood
Ward

What is Wood doing on the bench?