Ben Gibson

[mdd2]

If Ben is adamant that he is not signing then he should go and the money used to "fund" the additional money being asked for our targets-assuming we get Gibson. That way we could potentially have Gibson Dawson Clucas and Jay and yes i know I have not accounted for their salary demands

[beddie]

I think well go to £15m and then pull out. I would have prefered Dawson, far more aggression in the box from corners.

[Steddyman]

That's exactly what happened with Mawson last week. The whole deal had been agreed and then the agent did his work.

Put a time limit of 24 hours to accept the offer. Job done.

[dsr]

Put a time limit of 24 hours to accept the offer. Job done.

What if he accepts after 36 hours? Tell him to sling his hook? Time limits won't work unless the player completely believes you mean them.

[summitclaret]

Of course we need another (4 in total) cbs. Just can't see ben and ben in the same back 4. Dawson will arrive as well in prep for tarks leaving next year. Just can't see bfc turning down big money for tarks or ben mee.

[Tall Paul]

Put a time limit of 24 hours to accept the offer. Job done.

I wonder who would be the first people complaining on here if we missed out on players by doing this.

[ClaretAL]

I cant believe I'm saying this, taking in to account my 34 years following the clarets, but just pay the extra 2mil and get it over the line. The contact must have happened with agents of these players to get a feel for wage demands and thus passed off before we lodged a bid, so presumably we are happy with personal terms. Imagine what we could have done with 2mil 10 years ago, just a sign of the digits involved in football.

[Steddyman]

What if he accepts after 36 hours? Tell him to sling his hook? Time limits won't work unless the player completely believes you mean them.

He can't accept after 36 hours, it is a time limited offer for 24 hours. It would prevent agents using us as a stepping stone and would not be an unreasonable clause given how long is left of the window.

[ClaretTony]

Put a time limit of 24 hours to accept the offer. Job done.

You really don't have a clue how the transfer market works do you?

[claretonthecoast1882]

You really don't have a clue how the transfer market works do you?

I wouldn't restrict it to just the transfer market

[Rileybobs]

He can't accept after 36 hours, it is a time limited offer for 24 hours. It would prevent agents using us as a stepping stone and would not be an unreasonable clause given how long is left of the window.

What if he accepts the offer and then fails a medical? It’s like buying a house. The deal isn’t done until both parties sign on the dotted line. Until then both parties are vulnerable.

[Steve1956]

I wouldn't restrict it to just the transfer market

[Tall Paul]

You really don't have a clue how the transfer market works do you?

You don't really need to know much about the transfer market to work out that it's a completely stupid suggestion.

[dsr]

He can't accept after 36 hours, it is a time limited offer for 24 hours. It would prevent agents using us as a stepping stone and would not be an unreasonable clause given how long is left of the window.

So what you're recommending is that if we have a player available at a fee we like, personal terms agreed, the manager wants him, and the player wants to come - you would turn him down because he was 12 hours late deciding? Or even 5 minutes late?

[ClaretAL]

Pullis on SSN transfer centre seems to be all but saying Ben is going to the Premier.

[Steddyman]

You really don't have a clue how the transfer market works do you?

And neither do you CT. Owning a bulletin board doesn't make you an expert on the Transfer market.

[Quickenthetempo]

And neither do you CT. Owning a bulletin board doesn't make you an expert on the Transfer market.

39 minutes and that's the best comeback you can come up with?

Google one next time.

[TheFamilyCat]

39 minutes and that's the best comeback you can come up with?

Google one next time.

I know you are, I said you are but what am I?

[FeedTheArf]

You really don't have a clue how the transfer market works do you?

Does anybody? Last pre-season I think the club did a video showing the depth involved in doing a players medical. Walters I think?

It would take a very brave club to do it, but it would be really fascinating to actually see what goes on behind the scenes in a football transfer.

Incidentally this was a really interesting insight from last seasons transfer window about just how quickly things can change:

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I think some people genuinely believe we've only just thought about putting a bid in for Clucas / Gibson / Jay and been sat on our hands all summer

[Nonayforever]

Does sound like Pulis is pushing him to sign for us. I would imagine Pulis would rather him sign for us with a manager like SD than certain other clubs

I think the heirarcy at Boro want the best for the lad and see a move to Burnley as the best route for him to gain his England caps which no doubt will trigger additional fees for them.

A good move for Burnley, Boro and Ben.

[ClaretTony]

And neither do you CT. Owning a bulletin board doesn't make you an expert on the Transfer market.

Maybe I do and maybe I don't but I'm not obsessed with it and I don't make the sort of nonsensical comments you do.

[Grumps]

I think the heirarcy at Boro want the best for the lad and see a move to Burnley as the best route for him to gain his England caps which no doubt will trigger additional fees for them.

A good move for Burnley, Boro and Ben.

So when Everton come in and offer boro more, and Gibson double wages, he'll come here?

[randomclaret2]

It is quite rare for a manager to talk so openly and candidly about one of his players possibly leaving as Pulis has done in this case

[Nonayforever]

So when Everton come in and offer boro more, and Gibson double wages, he'll come here?

Boro don't really need the money, the owners have a vested interest in the lad achieving more than just a massive salary and Burnley probably offer the best route for all the parties concerned.

[Wokingclaret]

We’ve upped it to 13m

[kaptin1]

Apparently Pulis not ruling out him leaving. I suspect a deal is likely to get done, hopefully with us.

[claretrobo1]

Pulls suggesting the only way he will still be at the club is if he doesn't want to leave, so it seems like the issue of sorting out a fee will be pretty easy to get by. Born behind on transfers so need to sell

[kaptin1]

I presume he was probably asked to stay with them for a year to see if they could get promoted back to the Prem and, if not, then he would be allowed to leave. I would actually be quite excited by this signing if we could pull it off ... still fairly young, scope to improve and potentially make us some money further down the line.

[Steddyman]

Maybe I do and maybe I don't but I'm not obsessed with it and I don't make the sort of nonsensical comments you do.

You said we could do nothing about it. I gave you a concrete way we could prevent being used. You don’t know if that is feasible or not.

[dsr]

You said we could do nothing about it. I gave you a concrete way we could prevent being used. You don’t know if that is feasible or not.

I know whether it's feasible or not. In a theoretical sense, yes, because we're perfectly entitled to withdraw our interest in signing a player in the same way as he can withdraw his interest in signing. But in a practical sense no, because the only actual result would be that there could be a player that wants to come and and we wnat him and the money is all agreed, but you wouldn't sign him because he's missed a deadline.

Suppose we'd tried it with Mawson. The deal was agreed, he'd verbally agreed to come, and we put a deadline to sign the paperwork within 24 hours or the deal was off. Do you think he would have signed? No, because he knew Fulham were interested. But what if (after talking to Fulham) he decided, after 36 hours, to come to Burnley after all. You would have told him to clear off, we were no longer interested. How would that be good for the club?

This isn't specifically football. Suppose you were offered two jobs, were mulling it over, and one of the prospective employers told you to sign in 24 hours or they didn't want you any more. Would it encourage you to join them, or put you off?

[quoonbeatz]

You said we could do nothing about it. I gave you a concrete way we could prevent being used.

its a concrete way of preventing ourselves signing the players we want, that's for sure.

[Steddyman]

What if I said 48 hours? 72 hours? The theory is the same. It would prevent being used.

[Tall Paul]

What if I said 48 hours? 72 hours? The theory is the same. It would prevent being used.

How about we give them until 5pm on 9th August, would that work?

[TVC15]

What if I said 48 hours? 72 hours? The theory is the same. It would prevent being used.

Yes the theory would be the same - and every bit as useless.
The power is in the hands of players and agents - rarely do players in the top leagues have one option so why on earth would we be so stupid to make their decision for them by giving them ultimatums ?

Maybe it could work at Man United or Real Madrid as they are big and arrogant enough to think they are the only club the player should be considering but at 99% of clubs you still have the job of convincing players to choose your club instead of someone else offering very similar terms

[Steddyman]

I give up. Some people don't want an answer to the problem.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I give up. Some people don't want an answer to the problem.

If you went for a job interview and they said the offer is only open for X amount of time what would you think of it?

[randomclaret2]

Latest offer turned down and Gibson is in Boro's squad away at Millwall tomorrow

[Steddyman]

If you went for a job interview and they said the offer is only open for X amount of time what would you think of it?

They do that all the time in job interviews. They give you a date you need to accept the offer by. It has happened to me multiple times.

[NRC]

Steddyman's approach works for Mark Cuban on Sharktank...... the person pitching their business wants the highest investment for the lowest amount of equity, but if Mark Cuban brings the most personal value to the deal, and the pitcher knows it, and Cuban gives a give me an answer in 10 seconds deadline, it works more often than not. If not Cuban doesn't care and waits for the next.

Not saying it would work here, but it's a method employed.....

[TheFamilyCat]

They do that all the time in job interviews. They give you a date you need to accept the offer by. It has happened to me multiple times.

Did you have other employers interested in you though? Were you trying to play one off against another?

[dsr]

They do that all the time in job interviews. They give you a date you need to accept the offer by. It has happened to me multiple times.

How many of those employers wanted you so badly that they offered your previous employer £10m to let you go? That's the point you can't understand. When the player has several choices of similar value and the club hasn't, then the player has the power.

If the club has two or three possible player signings and they're indifferent who they get, then the club has some power. But that is very rarely true.

[Steddyman]

Did you have other employers interested in you though? Were you trying to play one off against another?

Yes. And that is part of the reason they did it.

[Steddyman]

How many of those employers wanted you so badly that they offered your previous employer £10m to let you go? That's the point you can't understand. When the player has several choices of similar value and the club hasn't, then the player has the power.

If the club has two or three possible player signings and they're indifferent who they get, then the club has some power. But that is very rarely true.

You seem to be mixing up transfer fees and personal terms.

We make an offer to the selling club via a transfer fee and that has to be accepted before me move onto personal terms.

In personal terms we can tell the player the terms we can offer, but he has 48 hours (or however long) to accept them.

Simple as.

[dsr]

Yes. And that is part of the reason they did it.

Crucially, did it work? Did you take the job offering lower pay in preference to the one you really wanted? (I assume, for comparison purposes, you or your agent had 24-hour access to the prospective bosses' mobile phones?)

[Rileybobs]

You seem to be mixing up transfer fees and personal terms.

We make an offer to the selling club via a transfer fee and that has to be accepted before me move onto personal terms.

In personal terms we can tell the player the terms we can offer, but he has 48 hours (or however long) to accept them.

Simple as.

And what is binding him to this agreement? What is stopping him from accepting the offer within the 48 hours and then changing his mind a further 2 days later?

[Vegas Claret]

I think well go to £15m and then pull out. I would have prefered Dawson, far more aggression in the box from corners.

I'd also prefer Dawson, superb from set pieces

[quoonbeatz]

I give up. Some people don't want an answer to the problem.

offer to top target, give them 24 hours, then move on to target 2, 24 hours, move on to target 3, 24 hours, move on to target 4, 24 hours, move on to target 5, 24 hours, move on to target 6.

at least its a way of getting our business done quickly given we'd have exhausted our list of targets in about a week.

[TVC15]

They do that all the time in job interviews. They give you a date you need to accept the offer by. It has happened to me multiple times.

Yes but not all companies operate like McDonalds !

[Taffy on the wing]

This board gives me a headache.

[ClaretTony]

You said we could do nothing about it. I gave you a concrete way we could prevent being used. You don’t know if that is feasible or not.

I'm not directly involved in transfers but I certainly know your idea is a million miles away from being feasible.