Joe Hart incoming ?

lifelongclaret · Post by **lifelongclaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:53 am

I’m not at all impressed bye this signing, I know we cannot suit everyone but I think there must be a better young keeper elsewhere,the transfer fee and wages could have been better spent, supposably we missed out on AM at Swansea because we wouldn’t pay the bit extra, Jay Rod is still in the balance due to our penny pinching, but we are prepared to waste 4 million on a goal keeper who bye all accounts got Manchinni sacked , he’s got a huge ego and wasn’t even good enough for West Ham, remember he even had a poor game against us,
This is my 40 season watching Burnley and the excitement and thrill of the Aberdeen games has been tempered bye what I think is a awful signing

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:54 am

And 4m. On Burnley wages. In this crazy market is an absolute steal for a goalkeeper of his calibre.

One of my best mates is a city fan. He text first thing this morning

' He’s only 31, personally I think it could turn out to be a very good buy '

ian · Post by **ian** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:55 am

lifelongclaret wrote:This is my 40 season watching Burnley and the excitement and thrill of the Aberdeen games has been tempered bye what I think is a awful signing

Some thought Joey Barton was an awful signing for us until he started playing.

lifelongclaret · Post by **lifelongclaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:04 am

Ian. I didn’t for one minute ever question the Joey Barton signing, I never boo if a player performs badly, I’m 50+ years old and could only ever dream of playing football, but I have been perplexed by a few of SD Transfer dealings, Chris long and Naki Wells are two that spring to mind, I must admit I had my doubts about Arrran Lennon, but will admit he’s been a great player so far, I just think there must be a better long term prospect else where, the reportabley 4 year deal for Hart looks a desperate signing, maybe a season long loan would have been a safer option

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:06 am

lifelongclaret wrote:Ian. I didn’t for one minute ever question the Joey Barton signing, I never boo if a player performs badly, I’m 50+ years old and could only ever dream of playing football, but I have been perplexed by a few of SD Transfer dealings, Chris long and Naki Wells are two that spring to mind, I must admit I had my doubts about Arrran Lennon, but will admit he’s been a great player so far, I just think there must be a better long term prospect else where, the reportabley 4 year deal for Hart looks a desperate signing, maybe a season long loan would have been a safer option

Its 2 plus 1.

Joe Hart means we can make a significant sum on one of our three England keepers too in the future.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:09 am

If youve watched Burnley for 40 years you must have seen some truly awful goalkeepers, particularly in the late 80s . We are now signing a 75 cap England goalkeeper to add to the other 2 we have and that has spoilt our first European game for over 50 years ???

lifelongclaret · Post by **lifelongclaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:37 am

Randomclaret,
Yes this is my 41st season, I think that he’s past his best , I would have rather bought a young keeper, rather than JH who has become a laughing stock due to shampoo adverts, he almost got West Ham relegated, and even the media have turned against him, he’s only here for the wages, you don’t think for one minute that his massive ego would have given Burnley any thought apart from money talks

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:39 am

Fair dos...its all about opinions.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:43 am

Astute, clever and 100% the correct thing to do, luckily it's BFC that decide these things and not the Fantasy Football generation.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:43 am

Seeing the words 'money talks' when we're discussing someone who has taken a massive pay cut to be on a fraction of his contracted wage is up there with the most confusing things ever written on here.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:20 am

If Dyche has decided he needs another front line keeper because of the injury situation, then to get someone of Hart's calibre for a knock down fee would be something of a coup.

And if Hart has taken a pay cut to make it happen, then credit to him. Says something about him a didn't necessarily expect.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:33 am

I imagine most want to play and be part of a group. Joe should have minted it over the years with money being less of a must for him. Additionally an income of £2 million a year for the next 3 years cannot be bad. Would be nice to know if there is a sell on clause in this deal. Wouldn't be keen to see a 40% one as for Mee as we may just cash in on him rather than Heaton or Pope if Mercer can get him back to his best.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:39 am

Joe Hart has a point to prove,this may benefit Burnley,he just needs someone to up his confidence,our goalkeeping coach is renowned for improving players,the only surprise is the length of contract offered,but that apart it's a good signing.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:46 am

lifelongclaret wrote:Randomclaret,
Yes this is my 41st season, I think that he’s past his best , I would have rather bought a young keeper, rather than JH who has become a laughing stock due to shampoo adverts, he almost got West Ham relegated, and even the media have turned against him, he’s only here for the wages, you don’t think for one minute that his massive ego would have given Burnley any thought apart from money talks

Congrats on your 41st season. That's good going.

I agree with others that this could be an astute signing. Hart himself must have seen how we managed to get two goalkeepers in the England squad. If he's a true professional and looking to continue his career, he would see good possibilities at Burnley. That presumably is what Dyche is hoping and will have discussed in his interviews with him.

I don't think a young hopeful, untested in the Premier League, would be suitable to go straight in the side. The goalkeeper position is far too important for that.

My sympathies are with Lindegaard who hasn't let us down at all so far, if Hart goes straight in to the side.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:51 am

What the actual **** SD thinks he doing though is beyond me. He's made a couple of major fuckups in his time here but this one takes the biscuit.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:54 am

starting_11 wrote:What the actual **** SD thinks he doing though is beyond me. He's made a couple of major fuckups in his time here but this one takes the biscuit.

And those are?
Also I might add that a ****up can only be deemed that when after a number of appearances the player has been shown to be not up to it whilst wearing the jersey be it C&B or a keepers jersey.
As of now assuming Hart signs the jury is out but I am more inclined to believe this to be an astute signing than a poor one. Also I believe Hart a better keeper than Liverpool had last season

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:58 am

Juke, Bamford, Sordell, Bardsley, Hendrick, Ulvestad, Vossen, Darikwa, off the top of my head.

Stevie2112 · Post by **Stevie2112** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:58 am

And how many positives?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:01 pm

What has that got to do with it exactly?

I said he'd made some **** signings and I fear this is one of them.

His good signings are a different point entirely not being discussed on my post so make your own thread if you deem it necessary to blow smoke up the gaffers arse

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:01 pm

starting_11 wrote:Juke, Bamford, Sordell, Bardsley, Hendrick, Ulvestad, Vossen, Darikwa, off the top of my head.

Don't forget Walters and Nahki Wells

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:05 pm

No way Bardsley and hendrick should be on that list.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:05 pm

starting_11 wrote:Juke, Bamford, Sordell, Bardsley, Hendrick, Ulvestad, Vossen, Darikwa, off the top of my head.

Juke I think we broke even money wise and made a profit on Darikwa who incidentally kept his shirt for over 20 games and was not that bad. Sordell at the time was a punt, Vossen left for personal reason and was a neutral cost, Ulvestad again was a free in and a free out. Bardsley and Hendrick- you are having a laugh aren't you?
A much better manager at Utd did well with Pogba didn't he. Net loss so far is how many million?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:06 pm

go on then... make your excuses for Bamford please.

I'd love to see those!

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:07 pm

Hi ian,

You've said what I was thinking:

"Some thought Joey Barton was an awful signing for us until he started playing."

I must admit I wasn't massively happy on learning about Joseph coming and I was one of the few people - in general - who had some time for him.

Our manager makes mistakes - he's human so it's inevitable - but he gets most things right. I back his judgement.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:08 pm

starting_11 wrote:What has that got to do with it exactly?

I said he'd made some **** signings and I fear this is one of them.

His good signings are a different point entirely not being discussed on my post so make your own thread if you deem it necessary to blow smoke up the gaffers arse

Bebe, djemba djemba, forlan, kleberson, zaha, taibi

Sir Alex was rubbish

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:09 pm

No excuses for Bamford. Loan players are a punt and some make it Mee Tripps, Keane (not all in under SD) others like Flannagan Bamford and the Sours lad do not.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:11 pm

summitclaret wrote:No way Bardsley and hendrick should be on that list.

No i agree Bardsley has supplied decent cover for Lowton's absences,not perfect but adequate,Hendrick has scored some vital goals and is doing a job for the team in a position he is not familiar with.

Stevie2112 · Post by **Stevie2112** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:24 pm

starting_11 wrote:What has that got to do with it exactly?

I said he'd made some **** signings and I fear this is one of them.

His good signings are a different point entirely not being discussed on my post so make your own thread if you deem it necessary to blow smoke up the gaffers arse

Not blowing smoke up anyone's arse,everyone is allowed a couple of errors,even great managers like Fergie got some wrong.
I also didn't state whether i feel this is good or bad,so stop making yourself look stupid.

Stevie2112 · Post by **Stevie2112** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:37 pm

Just done it again,name calling!! Tut Tut

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:39 pm

Language Timothy

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:39 pm

As said, every manager makes signings that don't work out. It's such an obvious point there is no point naming poor signings of a specific manager.

And calling someone a daft c**t is truly pathetic

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:40 pm

mkmel wrote:No you haven't

I was asking if any other club have ever had 3 goalkeepers in their squad who have played for England at any time
And all 3 have

You did say that though

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:44 pm

starting_11 wrote:How am I making myself look stupid?

By pointing out that the gaffer has ****** up a couple of times and I think this is one of them.

Sorry for having an opinion you daft cu nt

Have an opinion, by all means. Heck I’m probably in the minority that agrees with you about Hendrick (although I wouldn’t use the term, **** up).

You do yourself no favours when you resort to calling someone a ****. Too much abuse and not enough debate on here is the go to approach with some and it spoils things.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:45 pm

mdd2 wrote:No excuses for Bamford. Loan players are a punt and some make it Mee Tripps, Keane (not all in under SD) others like Flannagan Bamford and the Sours lad do not.

Jack Cork worked out well - when we had the money to bring him back in.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:49 pm

I see it more as Joe Hart has had a realisation that if he wants to be an England goalkeeper again, then he needs to pull his finger out.

Now if there was a club out there that possibly turn an out of favour goalkeeper into an England international?.... Hmmmmm

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:53 pm

starting_11 wrote:How am I making myself look stupid?
Sorry for having an opinion you daft cu nt

Think you answered your own question mate, with that shambolic, mindless response.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:54 pm

What. Opposed to being a blind sheep who takes everything the gaffer does as the perfect solution.

BAAAA BAAAA

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:57 pm

The way I see this deal:

1) Reported in Times that it is 2 year deal with an option on a 3rd year. It doesn't say whether the option is the club's or Hart's.
2) Joe Hart will receive the same wage this season as he would have got if he stayed at City: Burnley pay part and City make up the rest. So, pay cut only comes in the 2nd year of contract.
3) Scenario 1: sort out Joe Hart, Tom fit, Nick fit - we have one more "international keeper" competing for No1 spot than any club needs. (Two, of course, is a luxury - but, I think we all like luxury). So, one of them can be sold....
4) Scenario 2: Joe Hart's form doesn't return to his best. So, he stays for 2 years - and Burnley don't exercise option for a 3rd year..... unless, of course, in the meantime Tom or Nick has already moved on..... or, worse, Tom or Nick don't make full recovery from their injuries and aren't back to their best.

My view, very smart piece of business by Burnley - and all credit to Sean Dyche if his reputation is attracting players to join Burnley. The club has put £4 million plus wages into a player who was once very good - at a time when we need another keeper (even if only for a few weeks until Tom is fully fit). We have the chance to improve/restore Joe Hart. We have the opportunity for a spare keeper who can be sold for a lot more than we've invested in Tom, Nick and Joe Hart combined. Really, what's not to like?

UTC

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:57 pm

starting_11 wrote:Juke, Bamford, Sordell, Bardsley, Hendrick, Ulvestad, Vossen, Darikwa, off the top of my head.

Don’t know quite how you could miss the “dressing room” signings from that list: Reid, Taylor, Walters - 3 absolute shockers AND let’s not forget our big forray into the foreign market that yielded, arguably, the slowest ever player to ever pull on a Burnley shirt...ladies and gentlemen...Rouwen Hennings.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:58 pm

starting_11 wrote:What. Opposed to being a blind sheep who takes everything the gaffer does as the perfect solution.

BAAAA BAAAA

I can't remember a single person on here say that everything Dyche has done has been perfect.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:59 pm

starting_11 wrote:What. Opposed to being a blind sheep who takes everything the gaffer does as the perfect solution.

BAAAA BAAAA

But considering you've never had a positive word to say about the club...

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:02 pm

Spijed wrote:But considering you've never had a positive word to say about the club...

Yeah in future ill jump on the bandwagon blowing smoke.

Maybe I should start one of those insincere, I want 200 likes "thank you BFC" topics next time instead of facing the reality that we're about to sign joe ******* hart.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:04 pm

lifelongclaret wrote:I’m not at all impressed bye this signing, I know we cannot suit everyone but I think there must be a better young keeper elsewhere,the transfer fee and wages could have been better spent, supposably we missed out on AM at Swansea because we wouldn’t pay the bit extra, Jay Rod is still in the balance due to our penny pinching, but we are prepared to waste 4 million on a goal keeper who bye all accounts got Manchinni sacked , he’s got a huge ego and wasn’t even good enough for West Ham, remember he even had a poor game against us,
This is my 40 season watching Burnley and the excitement and thrill of the Aberdeen games has been tempered bye what I think is a awful signing

It would be intresting to know how Hart got Mancini sacked,please could yoy enlighten me with the fscts surrounding that claim

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:05 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Don’t know quite how you could miss the “dressing room” signings from that list: Reid, Taylor, Walters - 3 absolute shockers AND let’s not forget our big forray into the foreign market that yielded, arguably, the slowest ever player to ever pull on a Burnley shirt...ladies and gentlemen...Rouwen Hennings.

Matty Taylor was anything but a shocker?

If it wasn't for an unlucky injury he would have been a key part in our first season in the Prem under Dyche.

Then the promotion campaign the next year he came on as an impact sub early in the season and won us points single handedly.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:07 pm

lifelongclaret wrote:Ian. I didn’t for one minute ever question the Joey Barton signing, I never boo if a player performs badly, I’m 50+ years old and could only ever dream of playing football, but I have been perplexed by a few of SD Transfer dealings, Chris long and Naki Wells are two that spring to mind, I must admit I had my doubts about Arrran Lennon, but will admit he’s been a great player so far, I just think there must be a better long term prospect else where, the reportabley 4 year deal for Hart looks a desperate signing, maybe a season long loan would have been a safer option

First from what I have been told Chris Long was not a SD signing and didnt even know MacPartland was signing him. Nakhi Wells was brought in as back up which luckily we never needed. Better having the option there than not at all.

As regards Hart. This could be the signing of the season. If and I know its a big If but if he rediscovers his form of before 2 years ago we have a 15/20 million pound keeper on our books as well as Pope and Heaton. This could prove to be inspired. Mercer will have been consulted and he must feel he can work with and improve Hart.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:10 pm

starting_11 wrote:Juke, Bamford, Sordell, Bardsley, Hendrick, Ulvestad, Vossen, Darikwa, off the top of my head.

Hendrick ? ....no!

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:26 pm

post 380.. starting_11

Making a proper fool of yourself on here again.

Are you even a Burnley fan..?

You must have not seen the new recent guidelines about use of inappropriate language and abuse on here.

Did you really list Bardsley and Hendrick ?

Really?

John Gayles Shoulder · Post by **John Gayles Shoulder** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:33 pm

Talk about disproportionate response.

Imagine getting that angry over a difference of opinion about football on the internet

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:14 pm

Little bit more info from Daily Telegraph:

"City readily agreed to the fee for Hart, with more due depending on Burnley's performance in the league and cups, although that is a painful indication of how far his stock has fallen, given that the champions sold back-up keeper Angus Gunn, 22, to Southampton this summer for £13.5 million."

So, some add-ons to the £4 million. But, what a variance on the £13.5 million fee for Gunn.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:15 pm

Did he pass the medical or not?