Vegans and Eggs

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Vegans and Eggs

Post by d1sc0 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:18 pm

I put this to the Claret community just because well I'm bored.

If your Vegan because you choose not to eat ANY animal product then fair enough. However if your Vegan because of animal welfare issues then why not eat eggs.

I present the case as follows using chickens as an example.

If the chickens are completley free range then they are not being treated badly.
The chickens will lay the eggs anyway. If they haven't been fertilized they will never hatch. So no animal life is being killed. So the eggs either get taken and eaten or left and the chickens would eat them thereselves. (Chickens really will eat anything)

So should vegans who are all about the animal welfare eat eggs?

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by Bordeaux » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:29 pm

Hens lay eggs...chickens get eaten
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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:34 pm

Which came first?

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by whiffa » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:36 pm

You're*

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by tim_noone » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:36 pm

Bordeaux wrote:Hens lay eggs...chickens get eaten
By foxes.. Who in turn get shot! Life can be really Sh!t for wildlife. Go to work on an egg :)
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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by d1sc0 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:38 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Which came first?
According to the wife. Me :lol:
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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by spamalittle » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:38 pm

Vegans, there the ones with the pointy ears???
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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by Damo » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:40 pm

I'm quite happy to eat the chicken and the egg on the same plate if that helps
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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by tim_noone » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:40 pm

spamalittle wrote:Vegans, there the ones with the pointy ears???
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by yorkyclaret » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:05 pm

Damo wrote:I'm quite happy to eat the chicken and the egg on the same plate if that helps

Not a vegan though, they're way too stringy.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:37 am

How do you know if someone a vegan?
Easy. They will tell you.

Vegans are pricks. And thick ones at that.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by tim_noone » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:42 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:How do you know if someone a vegan?
Easy. They will tell you.

Vegans are pricks. And thick ones at that.
IT s got to be a vegan.
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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by Dyched » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:50 am

ElectroClaret wrote:Which came first?
The chicken or dickhead?
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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:11 am

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by BFCmaj » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:40 am

d1sc0 wrote:I put this to the Claret community just because well I'm bored.

If your Vegan because you choose not to eat ANY animal product then fair enough. However if your Vegan because of animal welfare issues then why not eat eggs.

I present the case as follows using chickens as an example.

If the chickens are completley free range then they are not being treated badly.
The chickens will lay the eggs anyway. If they haven't been fertilized they will never hatch. So no animal life is being killed. So the eggs either get taken and eaten or left and the chickens would eat them thereselves. (Chickens really will eat anything)

So should vegans who are all about the animal welfare eat eggs?
Surely it’s just a label. People who don’t eat meat but eat eggs would be classed as vegetarians. It could be through religious/cultural beliefs that people don’t eat eggs. Or it could be that people don’t like the idea of eating something produced by an animal.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:04 pm

Isnt it that hardcore Vegans are against eating eggs because of the genetic engineering conducted on Hens to turn them into egg laying machines and the way unproductive Hens are treated and culled.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by hampsteadclaret » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:26 pm

If I see/ hear one more Vegan on the telly lecturing me about food lifestyle, animal products and what I should/shouldn’t eat (instead of getting on with their own miserable joyless lives).... I’ll need a new telly.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by d1sc0 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:31 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Isnt it that hardcore Vegans are against eating eggs because of the genetic engineering conducted on Hens to turn them into egg laying machines and the way unproductive Hens are treated and culled.
Totally agree and if that is someone's belief then do be it. If how the hens are completely free range. Make baby hens whenever they want eat a completely wild diet are not interfered and altered in any way. Unfertilised eggs would still be laid. A completely natural process. In those circumstances what is the issue?

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by BFCmaj » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:37 pm

d1sc0 wrote:Totally agree and if that is someone's belief then do be it. If how the hens are completely free range. Make baby hens whenever they want eat a completely wild diet are not interfered and altered in any way. Unfertilised eggs would still be laid. A completely natural process. In those circumstances what is the issue?
Then they wouldn’t be vegan, they would be vegetarian.

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Post by John Gayles Shoulder » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:22 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:How do you know if someone a vegan?
Easy. They will tell you.

Vegans are pricks. And thick ones at that.
Lovely

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:27 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Which came first?
I'm grouping together hens and roosters as chickens. Pick the answer that makes you happy.

The Chicken Came First

If a pigeon were to lay an egg containing a chicken it could be considered a pigeons egg, based on the ownership of the egg by the pigeon. Even though the egg contains a chicken. In this case the pigeon would have to come first, because without it no egg of pigeon ownership is possible.

In the same manner the egg of a chicken can only belong to a chicken, which presupposes the existence of the chicken prior to the egg.

The Egg Came First

If a pigeon lays an egg and some evolutionary traits within the biological history of the pigeon give rise to a new hybrid species, which could be a chicken, then the egg would come first. In this scenario the chicken did not exist prior to its gestation within and emergence from the egg. So the chicken egg came first.

The Chicken And The Egg Are One

The categories of space and time are the Apriori "in the first instance" forms that underpin all our representations of the world we experience. Everything we experience is presented to us in clear and ordered terms. This is happening now, this happened before, the apple is in front of me, the apple is above me and so on.

If we didn't have these forms to split our experience into manageable chunks, before we receive it, then it would present itself as a singular mass containing anything and everything in the same place at the same time.

While we are not actively responsible for imposing the forms of time and space on our experience they are necessary for us to have any experience at all. These form facilitate the individuation that makes it possible for us to perceive the world, without them our experience of the world would be reduced to a jumbled impenetrable mass.

Outside of our experience the egg is actually the chicken and the chicken is actually the egg. They only seem to be two different things because of the necessary way our experience is ordered and presented to us.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:48 pm

d1sc0 wrote:Totally agree and if that is someone's belief then do be it. If how the hens are completely free range. Make baby hens whenever they want eat a completely wild diet are not interfered and altered in any way. Unfertilised eggs would still be laid. A completely natural process. In those circumstances what is the issue?
Im about as opposite to Vegan as can be so not a speaker for them but I think their point is that just the culture of treating eggs as food leads to practices they do not think is ethical so even if you only eat eggs from a total natural process it still is linked to the overall culture off eggs as human food and therefore the knock on effects.

Not saying I agree in any way with their views but like you my approach is just let people have their own beliefs and live their own life and leave others to live theirs

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by bfcjg » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:52 pm

I don't get vegans.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by tim_noone » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:01 pm

bfcjg wrote:I don't get vegans.
If you'd ever been served a skanky bacon?? Sandwich as opposed to fresh tomato and lettuce on a crusty roll you'd get it maybe.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by bfcjg » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:07 pm

tim_noone wrote:If you'd ever been served a skanky bacon?? Sandwich as opposed to fresh tomato and lettuce on a crusty roll you'd get it maybe.
I get vegetarians no problem,but vegans ? What are they trying to prove\help.
If I got served some skanky bacon I'd just get a refund or swop for chicken or need.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:12 pm

Can you imagine living your life without eggs or indeed bacon?

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by KLClaret » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:14 pm

Been a veggie 30 plus years. I've no wish to push my personal beliefs onto others but yes, a vegan will more than likely let you know in no uncertain terms UTC

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by tim_noone » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:15 pm

Yea to be fair I don't get vegans.....but some of The sh!t that passes for meat today puts me right off. Though the farmers? butchers near asda colne is very good in the whole process of delivering quality meat. To post 25.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by tim_noone » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:17 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Can you imagine living your life without eggs or indeed bacon?
Bacon yes.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by Chobulous » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:18 pm

They don’t need to tell you, they are easily recognised by the fact that they are scrawny, ashen faced, acne ridden, perpetually flatulent, self righteous, insufferably smug, intolerant gits. Only cyclists are worse.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:19 pm

Chobulous wrote:They don’t need to tell you, they are easily recognised by the fact that they are scrawny, ashen faced, acne ridden, perpetually flatulent, self righteous, insufferably smug, intolerant gits.
And deeply miserable.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by tim_noone » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:26 pm

Chobulous wrote:They don’t need to tell you, they are easily recognised by the fact that they are scrawny, ashen faced, acne ridden, perpetually flatulent, self righteous, insufferably smug, intolerant gits. Only cyclists are worse.
You sound like a r8 goodnight out.

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Re: Vegans and Eggs

Post by Chobulous » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:29 pm

tim_noone wrote:You sound like a r8 goodnight out.
Que?

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