Europa League Play Off Draw - Monday

Montevideo · Post by **Montevideo** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:24 am

UEFA have pre-selected the draw groupings and published them on their website .

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Not the friendliest of groupings but at least it allows for a little bit of research / prep should we get through the next round .

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/s ... d=2000989/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:31 am

I’ve long given up trying to understand this. Good to see UEFA using a picture of the Clarets on the article on their website.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:38 am

Montevideo wrote: Not the friendliest of groupings but at least it allows for a little bit of research / prep should we get through the next round .

You can actually make some sense out of that madness? I’ll wait until I hear.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:45 am

Can't even begin to work it out

Andym26 · Post by **Andym26** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:49 am

So basically we are unseeded, so would play one of the 5 seeds from this pot. So at a guess 1 of zenit st petersberg, feyernood, olympiakos, braga or genk i think. Or the teams they are playing of course.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:54 am

At this moment in time; we are good enough to win this round and the next round.

And after that? I'd need some common sense on how to put a team across as they are all bloody clueless.

burnleytom · Post by **burnleytom** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:00 am

I get it, and the draw will work the same as the other 2 have. Where have you seen that we are unseeded though?

Surely the seeded/unseeded ‘sides’ of the pot (5) will be decided once the results of each of the current fixtures are known?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:01 am

Ill have a do.

There are 8 (16 teams) games in the champions path. The winners progress into the Playoff

There are 6 (12 teams) games in the Champions League Qualifier 3rd round. The LOSERS are into the Playoff

There are 26 (52 teams) games in the Main Path. The winners go through into the Playoff

Edit
No actually I dont have a ******* scooby do what the helll is going on here. We dont play Barnet I know that much

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:04 am

Do we draw another team from our “pot” or one of the other pots?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:14 am

What i said before plus

They’ll sort out in what group each team is seeded

Each group will be numbered
Each team in each group numbered

They’ll draw 2 group numbers

They’ll draw team numbers from that group

Example

Group Ball 2 drawn against Group Ball 6
Team Ball 3 vs Team Ball 5
Team Ball 2 vs Team Ball 1
Team Ball 6 vs Team Ball 4
So that will make 6 ties

Group Ball 1 drawn against Group Ball 4
Team Ball 1 vs Team Ball 3
Etc etc

Andym26 · Post by **Andym26** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:20 am

Draw someone from the same pot. Seedings already been announced. Top 5 pairings in each pot are seeded.

burnleytom · Post by **burnleytom** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:00 am

Andy, where are the seedings confirmed? I don’t not believe you, but a link would be helpful.

Leipzig would be very unlucky to be an unseeded team, having made the quarter finals last year, and with Germany’s coefficient.

Looking in pot 4, if the rule is the top half pairings are the seeds, then Rangers will be a seed, yet Atalanta will not be? Surely Italy’s coefficient will be far higher than Scotland’s, and Atlanta got to the group stage last year at least (maybe further?) Also, Rangers would be a seed, but Hibs wouldn’t? On recent European history, on top of the coefficients, not sure how that would work?

burnleytom · Post by **burnleytom** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:04 am

Similarly in Pot 3, M. Tel-Aviv would be a seed, and Bordeaux would not?

Surely France’s co-efficient is better than Israel’s?

burnleytom · Post by **burnleytom** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:15 am

I imagine the draw will be like the others have been; in two parts. A draw for pots 1-4 and then a seperate one for pot 5 (ours).

If pair 1 is drawn against pair 5, then that will be the pairings across all of pots 1-4, etc.

Then the pot 5 draw, which has 10 pairings goes to a straight draw. Seeds in one pot, non-seeds in the other. Take one from each and first pulled is at home first.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:15 am

burnleytom wrote:Andy, where are the seedings confirmed. I don’t not believe you, but a link would be helpful.

Leipzig would be very unlucky to an unseeded team, having made the quarter finals last year.

Looking in pot 4, if the rule is the top pairings are the seeds, then Rangers will be a seed, yet Atalanta will not be? Surely Italy’s coefficient will be far higher than Scotland’s, and Atlanta got to the group stage last year at least (maybe further?) Also, Rangers would be a seed, but Hibs wouldn’t? On recent European history, on top of the coefficients, not sure how that would work?

Same link as for the other rounds. It's League route, 4th qualifying round.

Italy's coefficient is less than England's, so it's no surprise that Atalanta's seeding is less than ours. If you win the competition and win every group game, you only get about 15 points - you need at least two good years (out of the last five) to make the switch from national seeding coefficient to the club's own coefficient. You get either/or, not the sum of both.

The fourth round seedings can't depend on third round results because they're making the 4th round draw on Monday, before the third round is played.

Rangers aren't seeded. Their opponents Maribor are seeded. The seeding depends on the coefficient of the seeded club, not their unseeded opponents - if Rangers win, they become de facto seeds replacing Maribor for one round only. The winners of Maribor v Rangers will be seeded, because Maribor have a high coefficient; the winners of Hibs v Molde will not, because Hibs and Molde both have low coefficients.

https://www.footballseeding.com/europea ... ing-18-19/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

burnleytom · Post by **burnleytom** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:26 am

Thanks DSR, that link was very helpful, as was the explanation over Maribor. Hadn’t seen it before today, as always thought we’d be seeded. Absolutely amazing when clubs like Maribor of Slovenia are higher seeds than Atlanta, Leipzig or even, dare I say it, Premier League Burnley. They were dross against Liverpool last year!!!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:29 am

This all sounds potty!

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:14 am

How long as Israel been in Europe.Have they used a similar formula to the Eurovision song contest to geographically relocate Isreael?

ayrshireclaret83 · Post by **ayrshireclaret83** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:58 am

How can we be seeded in the last 2 draws and Rangers not then for this round rangers seeded and us not?

OffTheBar · Post by **OffTheBar** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:02 am

ayrshireclaret83 wrote:How can we be seeded in the last 2 draws and Rangers not then for this round rangers seeded and us not?

Maribor are seeded not Rangers.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:31 am

Andym26 wrote:So basically we are unseeded, so would play one of the 5 seeds from this pot. So at a guess 1 of zenit st petersberg, feyernood, olympiakos, braga or genk i think. Or the teams they are playing of course.

Hoping for Braga or Genk then IF we get through?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:43 am

I've got a headache now.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:26 am

Dyched wrote:Ill have a do.

There are 8 (16 teams) games in the champions path. The winners progress into the Playoff

There are 6 (12 teams) games in the Champions League Qualifier 3rd round. The LOSERS are into the Playoff

There are 26 (52 teams) games in the Main Path. The winners go through into the Playoff

Edit
No actually I dont have a ******* scooby do what the helll is going on here. We dont play Barnet I know that much

thanks for clearing that up Dyched!

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:27 am

OffTheBar wrote:Maribor are seeded not Rangers.

breadbuns are seeded not Rangers!

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:14 am

The only thing that's absolutely clear from all these pots/seedings/draws and the like, is that UEFA employed Duckworth and Lewis arrange it.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:05 pm

Ties involving: Sevilla, FC Zenit, FC Basel, Besiktas, Olympiakos, FC Copenhagen, Braga, FCSB, Gent, Genk, Maribor, Maccani Tel Aviv, Feyenoord are seeded for the 4th Qualifying Round. That is the order of their coefficients. Feyenoord have a coefficient of 21.500 whilst ours is only 15.921 (wholly due to our national coefficient so you need to remember that when you wish for an English club to lose in Europe!) which is 17th best leaving us unseeded for this round.

The draw is simple - the 2 pots of 8 will be split into the top 4 balls (seeds) and the bottom 4 which will then be drawn, for both groups, as they were in the previous rounds. Then our group of 10 will be split in the 5 seeded balls and the 5 non-seeded which will then be drawn in pairs (1 seed, 1 non-seed) and placed into another bowl before being drawn again to determine who has home advantage in the 1st leg.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:07 pm

We will be off to Glasgow!

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:25 pm

So if we beat Istanbul Bas, which seeds are in our pot ?

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:34 pm

Nonayforever wrote:So if we beat Istanbul Bas, which seeds are in our pot ?

Zenit, Russia; Olympiakos, Greece; Braga, Portugal; Genk, Belgium and Feyenoord, Holland

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:45 pm

bfcmik wrote:Zenit, Russia; Olympiakos, Greece; Braga, Portugal; Genk, Belgium and Feyenoord, Holland

Three good trips there !

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:53 pm

Nonayforever wrote:Three good trips there !

4 are lovely places to visit but Rotterdam is only OK

(Zenit is St Petersburg)

ClaretGent · Post by **ClaretGent** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:47 am

Here's a list of potential opponents in the play-off round draw, ranked in UEFA coefficient order (seeded teams in bold). In theory, the higher the coefficient, the better the team.

It's about time we had a kind draw. In the second qualifying round Aberdeen had the 2nd highest coefficient out of the 5 potential opponents. In the third round, Istanbul had the highest coefficient in our group.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:38 am

What time is the draw?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:00 am

It's looking very tough whoever we could get.thats if we get past these!

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:01 am

Zenith would be well tough and expensive. Apparently St Petersburg is a fantastic city though.

If we get Feyenoord there will be trouble. The CFS seats will need to be well bolted down.

Rouwens_Weapon · Post by **Rouwens_Weapon** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:22 am

ecc wrote:Zenith would be well tough and expensive. Apparently St Petersburg is a fantastic city though.

If we get Feyenoord there will be trouble. The CFS seats will need to be well bolted down.

Olympiacos fans are rather mental too!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:26 am

It's incredible that for all the vast number of teams in the Europa league you can only be drawn against very few of them each round!

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:19 am

Can we only be drawn against those 5 (10) or are these just examples? If we wanna get to the group stages avoiding Sevilla would be good.

Genk are my ideal out of those.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:30 am

i'd take any of them as long as we're away second as i can't get the time off for the first leg.

i've encountered feyenoord fans before, they have some rum characters following them. the tub looks a cool ground.

braga's stadium is ace, built in a quarry.

st petersburg would be a cool trip. greece would be a hot trip. genk, no idea.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:31 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:Can we only be drawn against those 5 (10) or are these just examples? If we wanna get to the group stages avoiding Sevilla would be good.

Genk are my ideal out of those.

just those 5 (10)

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:44 am

Thanks quoon!

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:48 am

Live updates for the dra at this link https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... e-13039081

Probably a video on some site too. Starts at 12.30 so you can imagine we'll be drawn out an hour or so later...

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:51 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:What time is the draw?

It probably started about three days ago.

Think it is due to end about 2pm.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:51 am

Hi Woodleyclaret,

"How long as Israel been in Europe.Have they used a similar formula to the Eurovision song contest to geographically relocate Isreael?"

It's referred to as "Creative Mapping".

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:51 am

The count down clock on that site says 9 minutes to go

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:54 am

A lot of Dutch hooligans are banned from attending games in the Netherlands so they take advantage of away games to vent their spleen.

I saw Ajax play Auxerre eight years ago. Their "fans" were kept in after the match; Every seat in their section ended up on the pitch.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:57 am

BurnleyIsWonderful wrote:Here's a list of potential opponents in the play-off round draw, ranked in UEFA coefficient order (seeded teams in bold). In theory, the higher the coefficient, the better the team.

It's about time we had a kind draw. In the second qualifying round Aberdeen had the 2nd highest coefficient out of the 5 potential opponents. In the third round, Istanbul had the highest coefficient in our group.

we can beat any of them

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:56 pm

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/s ... d=2000989/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:57 pm

Not Russia or Feyenoord

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:57 pm

Not genk