U23s v Blackburn

[ClaretTony]

Thank God this one is behind closed doors

17 mins gone and we trail 4-0

[ClaretAndJew]

Needs to be behind closed curtains too.

[FactualFrank]

And I think our players are playing with closed eyes.

[burnley007]

Ouch.

[theroyaldyche]

Do our U23's side win often?

I'm sure they never seem to win

[Longsidelenny]

Come on tony that score cannot be true after 15 mins

[ClaretTony]

33 mins: 0-5

[ClaretTony]

Do our U23's side win often?

I'm sure they never seem to win

Ended last season really well

[FCBurnley]

Assume Hart is in goal

[piston broke]

Is this Mike Duff or Danny Cadamarteri in charge, CT.

[Dyched]

Assume Hart is in goal

[alwaysaclaret]

Not sure who's in charge atm but it's clearly not working, 5-0 down at the moment to our neighbours down the road, considering we are in the midst of becoming established in the prem it's time this dept were doing better, not sure why we continue to lose games,we're led to believe we're signing promising players and also with a mix of some fringe players, what's going wrong, any ideas anyone, it certainly doesn't seem to bode well for the future.

[Claretuk]

They got a DUFF manager..

[ClaretTony]

Assume Hart is in goal

No - they've listed the keeper as a trialist so it will be George McMahon

[KRBFC]

The only area we're miles behind those lot is youth development.

[KRBFC]

Vinny Steels got subbed off after 22 minutes

[FCBurnley]

No - they've listed the keeper as a trialist so it will be George McMahon

Tony. You really do need to get a sense of humour.

[ClaretTony]

5-1 now, Ali Koiki scored

[claretburns]

Not sure who's in charge atm but it's clearly not working, 5-0 down at the moment to our neighbours down the road, considering we are in the midst of becoming established in the prem it's time this dept were doing better, not sure why we continue to lose games,we're led to believe we're signing promising players and also with a mix of some fringe players, what's going wrong, any ideas anyone, it certainly doesn't seem to bode well for the future.

The problems with the under 23s and youth team and all the underage groups below that all stem from Eddie Howe's time at the club and the appointment of Jason Blake to run the youth set-up. Whilst, obviously, we never churned out player after player into the first team anyway, the whole organisation of the youth set up was destroyed by Dyche's predecessors. At the moment to make the team competitive we appear to be picking up young players released from other clubs as a sort of stop gap in the hope we might pick up a gem and at the same time gives the youth programme time to recover but to do this you have to go to the very bottom of the age groups and build slowly over the years.

Whilst at the moment results and quality of players in the oldest of the youth teams might not be what we all want the players have been dealt a bad hand due to the previous problems and it is no fault of their own or any of the current people in charge of the youth set up.

It will be a slow patient journey to come back but with the new staff, training facilities and upgrade to category 2 academy steps are being taken on the road to recovery and the future is looking brighter.

[Culvert_for_one]

33 mins: 0-5

i remember a result like that in 2001

Thankfully these days it only happens at u23 level

[Woodleyclaret]

Ali Koiki looked useful in his brief cameo v Espanyol

[Vegas Claret]

only result that ever matters against anyone is that of the first team.

[ClaretTony]

Not sure who's in charge atm but it's clearly not working, 5-0 down at the moment to our neighbours down the road, considering we are in the midst of becoming established in the prem it's time this dept were doing better, not sure why we continue to lose games,we're led to believe we're signing promising players and also with a mix of some fringe players, what's going wrong, any ideas anyone, it certainly doesn't seem to bode well for the future.

Read post 19.

The department is improving but two years ago it was at rock bottom, destroyed in five years by Blake and his cronies. Good people, coaches and scouts gone, others almost forced out. Someone once told me that for every year of damage it will take at least two years of repair. It's going to be a long, hard job but the building has started, that I can promise you.

So to suggest it's not working and pointing fingers at those in charge now is way wide of the mark. And, those neighbours down the road do continue to run a Cat 1 academy. We are just going into the second year as a cat 2 and remember that Blake all but cost us Cat 3 which would have meant the whole thing shutting down.

Just look beyond the results, there is good work going on in the academy, some really good work.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Imagine a youth set up that has had brilliant facilities for years and years as well as having millions of pounds invested into it being at a more advanced stage that one that was ruined and has had to start being run properly from scratch in recent times.

[tybfc]

The problems with the under 23s and youth team and all the underage groups below that all stem from Eddie Howe's time at the club and the appointment of Jason Blake to run the youth set-up. Whilst, obviously, we never churned out player after player into the first team anyway, the whole organisation of the youth set up was destroyed by Dyche's predecessors. At the moment to make the team competitive we appear to be picking up young players released from other clubs as a sort of stop gap in the hope we might pick up a gem and at the same time gives the youth programme time to recover but to do this you have to go to the very bottom of the age groups and build slowly over the years.

Whilst at the moment results and quality of players in the oldest of the youth teams might not be what we all want the players have been dealt a bad hand due to the previous problems and it is no fault of their own or any of the current people in charge of the youth set up.

It will be a slow patient journey to come back but with the new staff, training facilities and upgrade to category 2 academy steps are being taken on the road to recovery and the future is looking brighter.

Believe me the problems go way back before Eddie Howe's time in charge.

[Leisure]

Anyone know the line-ups?

[Claretuk]

Anyone know the line-ups?

11 Duffers leisure..

[ClaretTony]

Anyone know the line-ups?

Our team was: Trialist (assume to be George McMahon), Jordan Cropper, James Clarke, Teddy Perkins, Anthony Glennon, Tunde Bayode, Josh Benson, Mace Goodridge, Vinnie Steels, Rob Harker, Michael Fowler.
Subs: Adam Bruce, Tinashe Chakwana, Ali Koiki, Christian N'Guessan, Ed Cook, Scott Wilson, Michael Howarth, Marley Blair.

[Dark Cloud]

The problems with the under 23s and youth team and all the underage groups below that all stem from Eddie Howe's time at the club and the appointment of Jason Blake to run the youth set-up. Whilst, obviously, we never churned out player after player into the first team anyway, the whole organisation of the youth set up was destroyed by Dyche's predecessors. At the moment to make the team competitive we appear to be picking up young players released from other clubs as a sort of stop gap in the hope we might pick up a gem and at the same time gives the youth programme time to recover but to do this you have to go to the very bottom of the age groups and build slowly over the years.

Whilst at the moment results and quality of players in the oldest of the youth teams might not be what we all want the players have been dealt a bad hand due to the previous problems and it is no fault of their own or any of the current people in charge of the youth set up.

It will be a slow patient journey to come back but with the new staff, training facilities and upgrade to category 2 academy steps are being taken on the road to recovery and the future is looking brighter.

From what I've seen and heard recently Dunne might just turn out to be one of those "hidden gems". He was cast off by Man U wasn't he? Harker might also just fit into that category, but then again we've had so many nearly lads in the past few years who we eventually just let go.

[FactualFrank]

A few of the chicken wrestlers on Twitter are acting like they've just won the Champions League. And then followed it up by wishing Burnley fans get killed in Istanbul.

Classy bunch, aren't they.

[Leisure]

From the score I thought that we'd played our U13's!

[Bordeauxclaret]

The only area we're miles behind those lot is youth development.

Their ticketing policy must be awful then...

[Longsidelenny]

At least 10 professionals out of that squad oh dear carnt blame Jason Blake for that bring back Michael duff

[Inchy]

Can anyone explain what Howe did apart from get rid of a few people? How does that destroy a youth set up? We were hardly producing any talent before Howe so maybe it was time for a personal change?

[Leisure]

Our team was: Trialist (assume to be George McMahon), Jordan Cropper, James Clarke, Teddy Perkins, Anthony Glennon, Tunde Bayode, Josh Benson, Mace Goodridge, Vinnie Steels, Rob Harker, Michael Fowler.
Subs: Adam Bruce, Tinashe Chakwana, Ali Koiki, Christian N'Guessan, Ed Cook, Scott Wilson, Michael Howarth, Marley Blair.

Most of those lads are aged 18. Was the Rovers team a similar age?

[Longsidelenny]

What’s people’s age got to do with it you can either play or you carnt bad excuse

[NottsClaret]

Their ticketing policy must be awful then...

To be fair, it doesn't get stress tested that often.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Great point made by Lenny, lets kick them all out for not being good enough.

[KRBFC]

Our team was: Trialist (assume to be George McMahon), Jordan Cropper, James Clarke, Teddy Perkins, Anthony Glennon, Tunde Bayode, Josh Benson, Mace Goodridge, Vinnie Steels, Rob Harker, Michael Fowler.
Subs: Adam Bruce, Tinashe Chakwana, Ali Koiki, Christian N'Guessan, Ed Cook, Scott Wilson, Michael Howarth, Marley Blair.

Is our u23 side younger than the sides they're playing against? No Dunne, Agyei, Mcneil etc

EDIT: Leisure beat me to the question, does appear to always be a very young U23 side.

[piston broke]

Can anyone explain what Howe did apart from get rid of a few people? How does that destroy a youth set up? We were hardly producing any talent before Howe so maybe it was time for a personal change?

Weren’t we just picking up kids from a 40 mile radius and because of our youth standing they were well off the ability to succeed. Now we are picking up cast offs from Clubs with excellent youth setups who might be just short for them. McNeill is going to be a big player for us.

[Dodobdobodobo]

Not behind closed doors Tony.
They was fitter, stronger, older and by far better than us in the first half. They took the foot off the pedal second half, we came into it a bit more but didn’t create a great deal. The dreaded dislocated shoulder injury happened again today. Rob Harker was the unlucky player this time.

[Dodobdobodobo]

Most of those lads are aged 18. Was the Rovers team a similar age?

No quite a bit older Leisure

[claretonthecoast1882]

No quite a bit older Leisure

Apparently at those levels though age is no excuse....

[Leisure]

What’s people’s age got to do with it you can either play or you carnt bad excuse

Well if that's the case maybe we could have played our U10's! And it wasn't an excuse, it was a legitimate question! BTW age of a player usually has a bearing on their experience, strength etc.

[Dodobdobodobo]

Apparently at those levels though age is no excuse....

They’ve played together a lot longer, last year they won the league apparently. Stronger and fitter than our lads.

[claretonthecoast1882]

They’ve played together a lot longer, last year they won the league apparently. Stronger and fitter than our lads.

They have a very good group at the level, those who have no idea though seem to think because the 1st team is in the Premier league we should beat them.

[piston broke]

What’s people’s age got to do with it you can either play or you carnt bad excuse

That’s the daftest post in a long while or a wind up. 18yolds aren't even fully grown.

[Longsidelenny]

What is Dwight McNeil doing with the 1st team like I said you can either play or you carnt

[claretonthecoast1882]

What is Dwight McNeil doing with the 1st team like I said you can either play or you carnt

Would you expect our first team to beat Man City's under 18s or 23s ?

[1968claret]

The Blackburn u23 set up has been built over a number of years. They won the league last year, so not surprised by the result. I believe David Dunne has packed in as coach this year though.