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What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by ecc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:43 pm

Personally, I'm very happy. I don't think we could have done much better in terms of a CB than Ben Gibson and the price is pretty decent given the silly amounts thrown around.

Ben Mee signing a new contract is the second best news this summer for me and I think most of us.

Joe Hart: all transfers are a gamble. I never thought of him being at TM. I don't know how it will work out; I don't want Tom being badly treated but I don't think he will be. £4m is nothing these days. It could prove to be a very shrewd deal.

Matěj Vydra: I'm not sure about this. But it means we have four strikers and that IS positive.

All in all, pretty good. :)

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Steddyman » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:45 pm

I've been negative about how late we started our deals, but nobody can argue we've had a bad window.

Yes, I'm slightly disappointed that we didn't get some shiny new players today but the important question for the window is are we stronger or weaker than before.

Our main losses are Scott Arfield and Dean Marney. Deano hasn't played since before he got his ACL injury and was unlikely to feature this year. Scott was only really likely to feature if we got some major injuries.

In contrast we have added an England International quality defender in Ben Gibson, an England International quality goalkeeper with 75 caps in Joe Hart, and the top scorer in the championship who brings attacking pace we haven't had since Andre Gray left.

We have lost none of our important players and got the ones at risk of running down their contracts to sign new deals.

Doesn't sound a bad window to me no matter which angle you look at it from.
(Repeated from Transfer Window thread)

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by piston broke » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:47 pm

Far more positive than negative but not perfect. not from the want of trying by all accounts.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by summitclaret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:48 pm

No need for a new thread.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Burt » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:52 pm

7.5/10

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by agreenwood » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:54 pm

I guess it’ll be judged in a few months.

I don’t see Gibson & Vydra ousting existing players for some time. In the short-term we’ve probably improved the bench more than the first team. That’s decent, but doesn’t really warrant some of the euphoria we saw on here earlier this week.

The biggest issue for me is how long it takes Defour & Brady to get fit and playing well. Normally it takes months after coming back from a serious knee injury before the form returns. Without them, it’ll be that bit harder to score goals.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by ecc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:04 pm

"No need for a new thread."

Cheers summitclaret. Ask to get it pulled.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:06 pm

Danger, Danger

Long post

The Window

At the outset the club mantra was quality not quantity.

We kicked things off with an early £25m bid for Dawson and Jay Rod.

We spent what seemed like an eternity buggering about over these two.

In the final few days we appeared to change tact and thankfully move on.

We eventually signed Gibson and Vydra for £26m, along with Hart at £3.5m.

Incoming Thoughts

I'm very happy with our three new players.

Gibson and Vydra tick a lot more boxes than Dawson and Jay Rod. They are arguably better, both have development potential and they are younger. Instead of looking at a financial loss over their time with us we can now expect a financial gain in terms of any re-sale value.

A new goalkeeper wasn't on the cards until Pope suffered his cruel mishap. We did well to quickly respond to this unexpected situation by bringing in Hart. Good move for all parties and I'm looking forward to seeing him return to form.

Recruitment Team - Positives

We did very well to spot that Middlesbrough had brought in a couple of new central defenders, who could pave the way for the departure of Gibson.

After Leeds failed to get a deal over the line for Vydra we did well to recognise an opportunity for us to capitalise on the hard work they had done setting the price and marking him out as a viable target for moving on in this window. The fact that it was Leeds we gazumped was the icing on the cake.

Pulling the Hart rabbit out of the hat was a good move and we worked well with City to structure a deal that surely brought him in line with our salary structure. His arrival plugs a gap and I can see a lot of future advantages to this one. When he returns to form we will have a lot of options to turn a good profit regarding any potential keeper outgoings, without compromising our overall strength in that area.

We drew a prominent line in the sand that marked us out as a club that can get deals done quickly when clubs are willing to meet us on reasonable terms. Our stance on not paying over the odds for players was bolstered.

The shift towards younger players, as opposed to players in their prime, was good to see and it will pay dividends for us.

Recruitment Team - Negatives

An understandable choice regarding our initial two targets. We went in early with a fair offer, but we forgot about past history of dealing with WBA.

We were very slow to respond to the obvious signals regarding the stance of WBA in response to our offer. It seemed like we were struggling to decide whether we should stick or twist for a long time.

Going back in for targets that we were previously interested in could highlight how short our list of possible targets was at the outset of this window. If that is the case we need a longer list for future windows to give us more flexibility so we can adapt to changing circumstances.

We could have used a couple more additions in this window, bringing in a left winger and possibly another centre midfielder would have been nice. The lack of another winger might come back to haunt us.

Once again, the European aspect of our recruitment showed no noticeable improvement.

Conclusion

If the team needs improving we target and bring in new players, introduce new training methods, improve the physical infrastructure, develop the players we have and look for new ways to boost their overall effectiveness. We don't sit around hoping things will improve.

We need to make a more focussed effort to improve our recruitment by doing the same. If that means spending money to employ some specialist European scouts, bringing in extra people to improve and expand our knowledge gathering capacity, developing the staff that we have in our recruitment team, making use of new information gathering systems or networking to develop relationships with contacts that can give us detailed information on players we need to do it.

If we want our recruitment to improve in line with the other areas of the club we need to start investing some more money in it. When you look at the prices players are going for these days adding another million or so a year to the recruitment departments overall budget could pay off with some healthy dividends.

I would rate this window as a 6.5/10. What we have done has been good, but with money in the bank and our attraction point at an all time high we could have done more. We were looking at a 1/10 for effort before the final week kicked in and then we really seemed to step it up a gear.

After the first 80 minutes we were two goals down, despite the hard work that was being done off the ball, and then we scored three goals from well executed set pieces in the final 10 minutes.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:08 pm

ecc wrote:"No need for a new thread."

Cheers summitclaret. Ask to get it pulled.
I think a new thread is needed for comments. Not so people can bitch and moan or happy clap. It could be a thread were people make reasonable comments and suggest positive avenues of improvement we could follow to benefit our future recruitement strategy.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:26 pm

Very nice.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Roosterbooster » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:50 pm

No complaints with the players we signed. But I think not signing a couple more bodies could prove naive. I hope we have made some inroads though, because potentially a few transfers could be set up for January. Still a winger and CM short in my opinion. And the rumours linking us with Clucas / JWP / Bolasie suggest SD might agree

Overall, 6.5/10. Not rubbish. Not excellent. But OK. Cautiously happy

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by jedi_master » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:52 pm

Happy with the additions, happy with the new contracts, happy to not lose one key player.

Would have liked another midfielder/winger however.

7.5/10

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Gnulty » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:57 pm

3 players Dyche will know what to do with, so no worries.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:59 pm

Not really an improvement on the starting 11 as such, but some depth added.

Time will tell whether Vydra will be the answer to our number 10 role, and I don't think Gibson will start regularly anytime soon.

The wide options look an area of weakness, depending how Brady recovers, but at the minute we are an injury away from putting square pegs in round holes again.

I can't see Lennon and JBG potentially playing 90 minutes twice a week, something's got to give somewhere with either injury or putting a "do a job" in in the layers stages of games and/or cups.

6/10 rating for me.

J-Rod instead of Vydra would have made it a 7/10 purely on experience and various positions covered.
Any half decent winger would have made it a 7.5

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Post by Raz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:41 pm

MACCA wrote:Not really an improvement on the starting 11 as such, but some depth added.

Time will tell whether Vydra will be the answer to our number 10 role, and I don't think Gibson will start regularly anytime soon.

The wide options look an area of weakness, depending how Brady recovers, but at the minute we are an injury away from putting square pegs in round holes again.

I can't see Lennon and JBG potentially playing 90 minutes twice a week, something's got to give somewhere with either injury or putting a "do a job" in in the layers stages of games and/or cups.

6/10 rating for me.

J-Rod instead of Vydra would have made it a 7/10 purely on experience and various positions covered.
Any half decent winger would have made it a 7.5
Nice comment, agree with most of it. I think the end result is not overwhelming with the players we have brought in however I really think it is the best management could pull off. Yes we have enough financial strength and offer the player opportunity to compete for players in the championship however we really do not have those advantages in the EPL market place and where we are also seen as a rivals. Everton would have always look at another option for Bo.

If we want to go from our small player pool of options, i.e championship and recent relegated players that meet our skill & character criteria..which is already a crowded space of interest... then I think we need to look further abroad and for that we need the scouting structure....

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by BabylonClaret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:01 pm

5/10. And onl6 because we didnt lose anyone else.

Gibson is a good signing i think but as others have said this is only 12 months too late (we muddled through last season and got away with the risk so good we have addresses this)

Hart is also a good signing and a sign we can m9ve quickly if we need to.

Vydra i like the look of and could be a good piece of business.

But...
Lack of Brady and Defour throigh injury highlights how lacking in depth we are if they are out long term. We havent necessarily addressed this.we soent far too long ******* around Jay Rod trying to lowball a club who didnt want to sell. Should havr got our money out or lefy it earlier so we could actually thrash out the deals for alternatives.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by dsr » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:09 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:Gibson is a good signing i think but as others have said this is only 12 months too late (we muddled through last season and got away with the risk so good we have addresses this)
Gibson wasn't available this time last year - he said he was staying at Middlesbrough for the season to get them back up, and I think he meant it. He certainly wasn't available for £15m - perhaps double that would have got him.

So either we should have paid an extra £15m for a player we didn't need, or else we should have got a different centre half. Neither seems particularly necessary.

I know we didn't have much to complain about last season. But even so, "we had all the centre halves we needed, but if we'd had more injuries we wouldn't have" is a pretty minor problem with hindsight.
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Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:16 pm

dsr wrote:Gibson wasn't available this time last year - he said he was staying at Middlesbrough for the season to get them back up, and I think he meant it. He certainly wasn't available for £15m - perhaps double that would have got him.

So either we should have paid an extra £15m for a player we didn't need, or else we should have got a different centre half. Neither seems particularly necessary.

I know we didn't have much to complain about last season. But even so, "we had all the centre halves we needed, but if we'd had more injuries we wouldn't have" is a pretty minor problem with hindsight.
Saying we didnt need to sign a defender last year because with hindsight we can see we managed with what we had would be no different to saying we shouldn't have signed Wells and Walters because with hindsight we can see we didnt need them.

So by your logic you'd agree with me that both Walters and Wells were bad signings?

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by MDWat » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:20 pm

Steady window, but a winger and another attacking midfield option away from a really strong squad.

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Post by dsr » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:22 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Saying we didnt need to sign a defender last year because with hindsight we can see we managed with what we had would be no different to saying we shouldn't have signed Wells and Walters because with hindsight we can see we didnt need them.

So by your logic you'd agree with me that both Walters and Wells were bad signings?
If you notice, I didn't say it was right to go with three centre halves last year - I just said that with hindsight, it's a pretty minor problem. Just as you're right that with hindsight, signing Wells and Walters was perhaps a mistake (except that Walters has already contributed this season), but again, a pretty minor mistake.

Sometimes you just have to accept that life isn't perfect. There is no sense in criticising the powers-that-be because they did something that wasn't perfect, when after all what they did was better than any of us dreamed it could be. We have just played in Turkey in the Europa Cup - if you say well done for qualifying for Europe, doesn't the failure to sign a centre half who we didn't need seem a bit trivial in comparison?

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:31 pm

dsr wrote:If you notice, I didn't say it was right to go with three centre halves last year - I just said that with hindsight, it's a pretty minor problem. Just as you're right that with hindsight, signing Wells and Walters was perhaps a mistake (except that Walters has already contributed this season), but again, a pretty minor mistake.

Sometimes you just have to accept that life isn't perfect. There is no sense in criticising the powers-that-be because they did something that wasn't perfect, when after all what they did was better than any of us dreamed it could be. We have just played in Turkey in the Europa Cup - if you say well done for qualifying for Europe, doesn't the failure to sign a centre half who we didn't need seem a bit trivial in comparison?
I havent criticised the powers that be. I just had a personal opinion at the time that I thought he was a bad signing and that hasnt changed. Im pretty chilled about transfer dealings but I will make up my own mind on what I think of things

The issue ive had is the extremes people go to trying paint things in a good light and the attitude I have gotten from having an opinion that goes against the grain. I admit that I go a bit over the top nowadays on this particular subject but thats more just a case of if you cant beat them join them as ive learnt a sensible discussion on the subject is near impossible
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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:31 pm

It has to be regarded as good.
I don't like wholesale changes, so 2 top signings a window yo tweak the team is plenty, it keeps the continuity going.
Joe Hart could be the nest signing of the season if Tom struggles for fitness
Ben Gibson for an area where we are blessed, but he makes the bench and therefore the team stronger. If he gets an opportunity due tobsuspension or injury, he could make it hard for whoever he replaced.
Matej Vydra fills a hole we've needed filling for a long time. How he adapts to the Prem is to be seen, but I think he'll be fine. We are never likely to have a 20 goal a season striker, as they cost 60 million plus, but to have 4 strikers all capable of 10 goals a season makes us strong.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:33 pm

Anyway DSR I dont want to sidetrack this thread so I'll just accept we just see things a bit differently and leave it there

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:35 pm

C out of 10 for me :)

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by BabylonClaret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:36 pm

But going witj 3 decenders was risky. We did ok in the end and Dyche had enough faith thay Long would cope. To be fair it would have been unlikely that we would need the 4th cb for any more than the odd game but the ppint still remains that we were a player sgort rhere all last season.

In hindsight ita a minor problem but this season it could be a major problem so its good we have addressed that. And i realise Gibson woumd have been 25m last year but i just meant we were 12 months late filli ng a vacancy due ti a leaver.

I think all our incomings look decent. I just think we are a bit light out wide and we missed an opportunity to fix that because we ****** avout too much and in the end were scrabbling round looking to seal deals for alternatives and we ran out of time.

Wba have been notoriously hardball with us. We sgould have learnt that lesson and walked away 2 weeks earlier to concentrate 9n other targets. Or if Dyche really reall6 wanted Jayrod we should have made sure we got him - wba didnt need ti sell or want to and that means you have to pay more to get them. That was a known before we started.

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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:45 pm

I think a solid B would be a fair grade.

Hart, Gibson and Vydra are good additions and will provide excellent depth to our squad and hopefully extra quality to our starting eleven. All three players have come in on deals that I think will represent good value in this crazy transfer market. We've also secured the players we needed to on longer contracts which adds to the positives. Another positive is that we (finally) realised that West Brom weren't playing ball with us and we moved on to quickly secure alternatives, which I was desperate for us to earlier but we got there.

We have left ourselves short in midfield though, however you choose to dress things up, as we've lost more players than we've brought in. We've got injuries in there too which will may well leave us exposed at the beginning of the season and through the harsh winter months.

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Post by dsr » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:46 pm

Very difficult to judge transfer windows at the time, anyway. Most of our transfer windows under Sean Dyche have been viewed as moderate-to-terrible, and yet cumulatively they have been unbelievably successful.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:51 pm

its okay, seems odd spurs spent nothing at all, and united seem buggered before a ball is kicked, we could really produce a decent side again with out dealings, albeit it hart, vydra and gibbo. I think the names we were being linked with split opinion anyway, so it is basically down to trust again.
Overall I am okay with things, excited again at what we may be capable of. UTC., and utc is important somehow as always. enjoy the forthcoming season lads and lasses.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by BabylonClaret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:53 pm

Agreed. Lets crack on and hope Brady is not oit too long.

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Post by jurek » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:10 pm

Turned out much better than most expected a week ago and the three we brought
in should add depth and quality so... not too bad.

But we're still lacking, me thinks, be it in midfield and up front/wings.
A pity we couldn't get one or two more over the line but possibly the
loan market which, I believe, is still open until the end of the month might come up with
something. Hopefully?

However, when you look at some of the other teams - be it Leicester, Everton, Fulham, Wolves
West Ham and even Huddersfield we do look very short in terms of numbers and recruiting from Europe or further afield.

Hoping we can get Brady, Defour, Wood and Vydras back fit asap and in the team and on form.
That would hopefully make the difference as, at present, we don't look that capable of
actually winning a game.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by KRBFC » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:13 pm

A wide player like Bolasie off a perfect window, still, very good, happy with the quality over quantity approach this year.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by dsr » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:32 pm

jurek wrote:... the loan market which, I believe, is still open until the end of the month ...
Only for Championship and below. Our window is shut.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Duffer_ » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:32 pm

Hart - unexpected but good business. Was referred to as an initial 2 year deal. I would be interested to know if there is an option and if it's in favour of club or player - will impact potential for future profit.

Gibson - very good business in exceptional circumstances. Boro gone up in my estimation in terms of honouring a sentiment/verbal agreement with a player who was seriously "invested" in them.

Vydra - probably a really good fit in terms of playing style and our needs. It does make me wonder a bit about our insistence on dressing room character though. Hasn't he done to Leeds what Clucas did to us? A bit too pragmatic to be holier than thou.

Clucas - dodged one there.

Jay Rod - shame, especially because morally we should have him. We had to give him up when we stood in the way of his career and yet now we are in a position to make it work we can't have him. No issue with WBA though - that is their prerogative.

Well chuffed with Ben Mee.

7/10 but will miss Scotty for more more than one reason. We could and should have had a couple more in but you risk clogging the squad up with Wells types if you're not careful.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Raz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:35 pm

Vydra..his club wanted him to go to Leeds...it was just not the advancement he was seeking

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Post by Raz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:36 pm

KRBFC wrote:A wide player like Bolasie off a perfect window, still, very good, happy with the quality over quantity approach this year.
Everton only wanted him to go to the Championship...

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by KRBFC » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:40 pm

Raz wrote:Everton only wanted him to go to the Championship...
Oh Bolasie is the only pacey wide player ever, gotcha

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Duffer_ » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:44 pm

Raz wrote:Vydra..his club wanted him to go to Leeds...it was just not the advancement he was seeking
Reported at the Leeds end that he tipped up and upped his wage demands. You make it sound like he was an unwilling pawn in asking for £50kpw to mask the bad taste of joining Leeds.

None of us know the full details of Clucas and Vydra but they appear more similar to me than they are different.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Vintage Claret » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:49 pm

Still a slight draught but plugged some of the holes we needed to.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:01 am

Some really good posts on here people. Very nice to see a lot of grounded and realistic thoughts that take into account the positives and negatives of this window, with a view to moving forward.
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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:01 am

I found this article on the "Black Box" at Southampton to be interesting. The "Black Box" being the central component to the ethos that underpins their recruitment.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/271 ... r-carousel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For anyone that cares to read it you can ignore the first part that talks about moves to minimise the impact of changing managers.

With Sean we have a top bloke who is an integral part of everything we are doing in terms of moving the club forward.

The way that everyone at the club works together, making our progress a shared experience in which everyone has value from the Chairman and all the way down, is one of our biggest strengths. To my mind that approach is a lot better than marginalising managers on the expectation that they will move on after a short time.

I might think differently if we had just brought Mark Hughes in though.

The article also contains a couple of links that are equally interesting about the value of long term planning and recruiting young academy players.

https://hbr.org/2017/02/finally-proof-t ... m-pays-off" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35054310" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit: Spelling Mistakes :(
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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Raz » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:25 am

KRBFC wrote:Oh Bolasie is the only pacey wide player ever, gotcha
No you only get yourself...just mention the reality behind that player..your such laugh..gotcha!

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Raz » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:27 am

Duffer_ wrote:Reported at the Leeds end that he tipped up and upped his wage demands. You make it sound like he was an unwilling pawn in asking for £50kpw to mask the bad taste of joining Leeds.

None of us know the full details of Clucas and Vydra but they appear more similar to me than they are different.

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Actually reported yes but not by Leed..look up the quote from their Chairman...gotcha!

ps which players in the Championship are on 50k per week...logic test please...gotcha again!!

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by KRBFC » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:42 am

Raz wrote:No you only get yourself...just mention the reality behind that player..your such laugh..gotcha!
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about, why did you mention the negative in my post and completely ignore the entire post which entirely positive, I said we had a very good window.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:01 am

Absolutely brilliant.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by Duffer_ » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:25 am

Raz wrote:Actually reported yes but not by Leed..look up the quote from their Chairman...gotcha!

ps which players in the Championship are on 50k per week...logic test please...gotcha again!!
Chairman says he wasn't convinced Vydra wanted to join Leeds. Sounds like a sensible face saving statement if you're being messed about by a player and unable to meet a late hike in wage demands. Why did Vydra go up to Leeds if he had no intention of signing?

Gotcha? Are you Noel Edmonds?

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by dsr » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:12 am

Duffer_ wrote:Why did Vydra go up to Leeds if he had no intention of signing?
It's normal to meet the new boss before you take a new job. Why do people ever go for job interviews and then not take the job as offered? Presumably because they learned something at the interview that made them decide they liked the current job better.

Anyone who is basically headhunted is going to take a look at the new place, even if they decide not to go.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by LoveCurryPies » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:38 am

I suspect our involvement in Europa League cost us a signing or two. However, I think we had a very good window with surprisingly few players leaving.

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by claretspice » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:44 am

Its probably a fairly classic Sean Dyche/Mike Garlick window.

We've brought in 3 players, all of whom look well suited to addressing weaknesses in the squad, and certainly 2 of them look like really good, strong characters who suit our philosophy (I'm not saying Vydra doesn't; I just don't know either way) and who can serve us well for years to come.

As has become our way, we've also allowed ourselves to end the window light in a key position, and therefore we're taking a risk that seems to me unnecessary. If, like last season, that risk never materialises and we avoid more than one or maximum two injuries or suspensions across midfield, then great, or if someone like McNeill really comes through, then we'll probably look back on this as another window where the "Burnley way" was successfully consolidated.

However - if, like in Dyche's first Premier League season, we do get burned by our lack of cover across the middle of the park, then we'll regret not compromising on either the price tag of our prime targets, or on the identity of our targets, to bring in an extra body or two - even if they're ear marked as ones for the future rather than immediate starters (something we've seemingly stopped doing under Dyche). The old adage is that you should strengthen from a position of strength, and fix the roof whilst the sun shines, and in that regard this window feels like a bit of a missed opportunity.
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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:58 am

claretspice wrote:Its probably a fairly classic Sean Dyche/Mike Garlick window.


However - if, like in Dyche's first Premier League season, we do get burned by our lack of cover across the middle of the park, then we'll regret not compromising on either the price tag of our prime targets, or on the identity of our targets, to bring in an extra body or two - even if they're ear marked as ones for the future rather than immediate starters (something we've seemingly stopped doing under Dyche).
Clucas excluded, have we been linked with any other midfielders?

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Re: What do you think about our Transfer Window?

Post by claretspice » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:02 am

boatshed bill wrote:Clucas excluded, have we been linked with any other midfielders?
Ward Prowse yesterday, and I note we're actually being linked with Stephane MBia this morning. But I'm not sure that's the point.

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