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So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:29 am

Considering the signings and sales, along with current squads who has had the best and who has had the worst window?

Reasonably happy with our own. It was important not to lose critical players like Mee, Vokes, Tarkowski etc as adding to them. But the three we brought in all bring something we need (if unforeseen in Harts case).

I would have to say the worse window is Everton and Brighton. Everton have spent big but not addressed their problems. Also the money spent looks like a massive gamble at best but massively poor value in reality. I cant see them finishing higher than they did under sam or koeman. Brighton I just cant see how you can integrate 15 players especially after a decent season.

Liverpool have probably had the best window. Just addressing their few weak areas and retaining a very strong squad.
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Re: So had the best and worst transfer window

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:30 am

Arsenal 5

Stephen Lichtsteiner (Juventus)
Bernd Leno (Bayer 04 Leverkusen)
Sokratis Papastathopoulos (Borussia Dortmund)
Lucas Torreira (Sampdoria)
Matteo Guendouzi (Lorient)

Bournemouth 3

David Brooks (Sheffield United)
Diego Rico (Leganes)
Jefferson Lerma (Levante)

Brighton 15

Leon Balogun (Mainz 05)
Joseph Tomlinson (Yeovil)
Floren Andone (Deportivo La Coruna)
Jason Steele (Sunderland)
Bernardo (RB Leipzig)
Hugo Keto (Arsenal)
David Button (Fulham)
Yves Bissouma (LOSC Lille)
Percy Tau (Mamelodi Sundowns)
Alireza Jahanbakhsh (AZ Alkmaar)
Anders Dreyer (Esbjerg)
Billy Arce (CSD Independiente Del Valle)
Dan Burn (Wigan) - loaned back to Wigan until January 2019
Peter Gwargis (Jonkopings Sodra IF)
Martin Montoya (Valencia)

Burnley 3

Ben Gibson (Middlesbrough)
Joe Hart (Manchester City)
Matej Vydra (Derby)

Cardiff 6

Josh Murphy (Norwich)
Greg Cunningham (Preston)
Alex Smithies (QPR)
Bobby Reid (Bristol City)
Victor Camarasa (Real Betis) - season long loan
Harry Arter (Bournemouth) - season long loan

Chelsea 4

Jorginho (Napoli)
Rob Green (Huddersfield)
Kepa Arrizabalaga (Athletic Bilbao)
Mateo Kovacic (Real Madrid)

Crystal Palace 4

Vicente Guaita (Getafe)
Cheikhou Kouyate (West Ham)
Max Meyer (Schalke 04)
Jordan Ayew (Swansea) - season long loan

Everton 5

Richarlison (Watford)
Lucas Digne (Barcelona)
Bernard (Shakhtar Donetsk)
Yerry Mina (Barcelona)
Andre Gomes (Barcelona)

Fulham 12

Jean Michael Seri (Nice)
Maxime Le Marchand (Nice)
Fabricio Agosto Ramirez (Besiktas)
Andre Schürrle (Borussia Dortmund) - two year loan
Aleksandar Mitrovic (Newcastle)
Alfie Mawson (Swansea)
Calum Chambers (Arsenal) - season long loan
Sergio Rico (Sevilla) - season long loan
Joe Bryan (Bristol City)
Luciano Vietto (Atletico Madrid) - season long loan
Timothy Fosu-Mensah (Manchester United) - season long loan
Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa (Marseille)

Huddersfield 8

Ben Hamer (Leicester)
Terence Kongolo (Monaco)
Ramadan Sobhi (Stoke)
Juninho Bacuna (Groningen)
Jonas Lössl (Mainz 05)
Erik Durm (Borussia Dortmund)
Adama Diakhaby (Monaco)
Isaac Mbenza (Montpellier) - season long loan

Leicester 7

Ricardo Pereira (FC Porto)
Jonny Evans (West Brom)
James Maddison (Norwich)
Danny Ward (Liverpool)
Rachid Ghezzal (AS Monaco)
Filip Benkovic (Dinamo Zagreb)
Caglar Soyuncu (Freiburg)

Liverpool 4

Fabinho (Monaco)
Naby Keita (RB Leipzig)
Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke)
Alisson (Roma)

Manchester City 4

Riyad Mahrez (Leicester)
Claudio Gomes (Paris Saint Germain)
Philippe Sandler (PEC Zwolle)
Daniel Arzani (Melbourne City)

Manchester United 3

Diogo Dalot (FC Porto)
Fred (Shakhtar Donetsk)
Lee Grant (Stoke)

Newcastle 6

Martin Dúbravka (Sparta Prague)
Ki Sung-yeung (Swansea)
Kenedy (Chelsea) - season long loan
Fabian Schar (Deportivo La Coruna)
Yoshinori Muto (Mainz 05)
Salomon Rondon (West Brom) - season long loan

Southampton 5

Stuart Armstrong (Celtic)
Mohamed Elyounoussi (FC Basel)
Angus Gunn (Manchester City)
Jannik Vestergaard(Borussia Monchengladbach)
Danny Ings (Liverpool) - season long loan

Tottenham 0

Watford 7

Ben Wilmot (Stevenage)
Gerard Deulofeu (Barcelona)
Marc Navarro (Espanyol)
Adam Masina (Bologna)
Ken Sema (Ostersund)
Ben Foster (West Brom)
Domingos Quina (West Ham)

West Ham 9

Ryan Fredericks (Fulham)
Issa Diop (Toulouse)
Lukasz Fabianski (Swansea)
Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)
Andriy Yarmolenko (Borussia Dortmund)
Fabian Balbuena (Corinthians)
Felipe Anderson (Lazio)
Lucas Perez (Arsenal)
Carlos Sanchez (Fiorentina)

Wolves 11

Benik Afobe (Bournemouth)
Willy Boli (FC Porto)
Raul Jimenez (Benfica) - season long loan
Rui Patricio (Sporting CP)
Leo Bonatini (Al-Hilal)
Ruben Vinagre (AS Monaco)
Paulo Alves (Liverpool)
Joao Moutinho (AS Monaco)
Jonny Castro (Atletico Madrid) - season long loan
Adam Traore (Middlesbrough)
Leander Dendoncker (Anderlecht) - season long loan


Total Incoming Transfers = 121

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Re: So had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:32 am

Most of those Brighton signings are for their development squad.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Cubanclaret » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:45 am

Everton and Liverpool the best for me - the quality of the players they’ve bought in are top drawer.
Not sure how in what way the OP suggests Everton haven’t addressed their shortcomings.
Fulham, Wolves and to a lesser extent Brighton will be interesting. Personally I think Brighton will do well because they have an excellent manager, though their fan base appears giddy with expectation. Fulham have complimented their squad really well with a good blend of youth and experience. Wolves are going for more wholesale change than is maybe necessary, which could be dangerous.
On paper you’d have to put us towards the lower end, but our defensive strength is quite something now, especially if Taylor keeps improving.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:50 am

All the best teams appear to have bought fewer than 4 signings, a sign of a stable team...

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:52 am

Potentially those with the greater number of senior players signed could turn out to have the worst window.

Having to integrate that many players in a short space of time whilst also ensuring everyone gets a game etc can cause dressing room disharmony.
Also could mean that players who were already there may feel like they don't have the backing of their manager.

You'd have to wonder what Spurs are up to, at times last season they looked in need of fresh ideas.

I'm happy enough with our window though.

Looking forward to January so I can see people slating the club again and making baseless accusations/claims.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:53 am

I just think Everton have gone about things wrong. Bernard is a good signing on a free which I suppose makes richarlisons fee a bit more palatable. But I dont see the defenders from Barcelona being the answer to the problems in that area. Nor do I think they have filled the gaps up front.

Wolves imo have made way too many changes to a team that won the league.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:55 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Potentially those with the greater number of senior players signed could turn out to have the worst window.

Having to integrate that many players in a short space of time whilst also ensuring everyone gets a game etc can cause dressing room disharmony.
Also could mean that players who were already there may feel like they don't have the backing of their manager.

You'd have to wonder what Spurs are up to, at times last season they looked in need of fresh ideas.

I'm happy enough with our window though.

Looking forward to January so I can see people slating the club again and making baseless accusations/claims.
Spurs is a funny one. Especially given how reliant they are on kane. Could they become like arsenal after moving to a new stadium? Spurs are at the midst appealing to new players theyve ever been and they should have got 3 or 4 good players in.

But they do seem to blend youth a lot and have kept all of their best players. So they will be ok. Still top 4 I think.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:56 am

Sadly not many English/British names amongst that lot.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by BigChaCha » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:07 am

I'm surprised on that list at how many teams have took advantage of the season long loan!

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:08 am

Times places Burnley in 15th position by gross spend, £29 million. Spurs (£nil), Palace (£9.5), Watford (£24,8), Newcastle (£25.2) and Cardiff (£28.5) all spent less than Burnley.

Does the table of money spent mean that Liverpool, gross spend £161 million and received £30 million, net £131 million, mean that Liverpool had the best transfer window?

If it is all about how much money goes out and how much comes in (I'm sure no one thinks it is), then I expect the table should take into account (a) the players who have been retained by signing new contracts - Ben Mee signing new contract being very important for Burnley and (b) sell-on money that flows through the selling club to the clubs that hold sell-on rights - again, possibly, Danny Ings to Soton results in sell-on money flowing back to Burnley.

Of course, it's not all about money, it's how the team performs with the incomings and outgoings through the window. The "best and worst" will be decided in May 2019.

I'm happy, btw, with how the window has worked out for Burnley. I'm looking forward to St Mary's at lunch time on Sunday.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Falcon » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:16 am

As ever those gross spend figures don't tell the full story.

In this table a player who joined a club on a free transfer, tempted there by a huge wage offer, would be counted as £0 spend which it clearly isn't.

More accurate would be gross spend based not just on the transfer fee, but also the signing on fee, agent's fee and player's wages for the duration of the contract.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by NottsClaret » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:22 am

I remember Everton winning the transfer window last season and Burnley leaving themselves negligently short.
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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by quoonbeatz » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:30 am

there's some proper quantity over quality there.

who the **** are all those brighton players?

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:31 am

Scattergun is how I’d describe a few of those clubs.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:34 am

However one regards our recruitment I am sure that posts stating that we needed just 2 outfield additions in this transfer window would have been in very short supply, if not non-existent, up until 5pm yesterday.

There were far more posts claiming that we needed 3 or 4, especially somebody to play out wide, but that they would be reserving judgement until the window had actually closed.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:37 am

quoonbeatz wrote:there's some proper quantity over quality there.

who the **** are all those brighton players?
Mostly young players for their development squad, I'm not sure why they've been included on the list of signings given that our youth signings haven't been.
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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:42 am

I think Brighton win though, just for the signing of someone called Billy Arce.
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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Goobs » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:49 am

kentonclaret wrote:However one regards our recruitment I am sure that posts stating that we needed just 2 outfield additions in this transfer window would have been in very short supply, if not non-existent, up until 5pm yesterday.

There were far more posts claiming that we needed 3 or 4, especially somebody to play out wide, but that they would be reserving judgement until the window had actually closed.
I think most of us would have been ecstatic if we had signed a winger. We addressed the obvious issues and are now pretty much at a place where we have two good choices for every position when everyone is fit (with the exception of 'keeper where we have 4 good options).

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Goobs » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:54 am

H/P/H
Lowts
Ward
Tarks
Mee
Lennon
Defour
Cork
JBG
Vydra
Wood

H/P/H
Bardsley
Taylor
Gibson
Long
Brady
Westwood
Hendrick
Walters
Barnes
Vokes

Others: H/P/H/L, Wells, Dunne, McNeil, O'Neill, Agyei Looks good to me. Have I missed anyone obvious?

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by quoonbeatz » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:10 am

percy tau is a good name as well.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:33 am

No pleasing CFClaret ha. If we signed the Barcelona mascot we would be over the moon, never mind 3 of their players.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by DCWat » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:35 am

Really difficult one to judge when looking at teams like Brighton and Huddersfield.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:50 am

quoonbeatz wrote:percy tau is a good name as well.
Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa (Marseille) should surely be Andre “Frank Zambo” Anguissa as well.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Dyched » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:53 am

Liverpool have bought well.

Spurs have had a decent window when you consider the likes of Kane, Erikson, Aleidweild, Dembele, Trippier are all still there.

Burnley one player short but a few clubs are.

Id say the worst Man Utd. Im not entirely sure they have a clue whats going on. I suspect the board just ain't willing to back that absolute cock head in charge

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by quoonbeatz » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:05 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa (Marseille) should surely be Andre “Frank Zambo” Anguissa as well.
the andre and anguissa bits definitely seem superfluous.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:21 am

Best..Palace holding on to Zaha
Worst..United...Expect Mourinho to be gone by Christmas

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Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:26 am

You should’ve heard the ******** spouted on Talksport yesterday about Wolves and Fulham’s new signings. They were positively gushing over them because they’d spent so big.

I personally feel both of the above teams will struggle. You cannot replace that many players and expect them to seamlessly gel in such a short space of time.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Claretmatt4 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:41 am

A Newcastle fan was going apesh!t on ssn, paraphrased he said

'I don't understand why clubs like Bournemouth Burnley and Huddersfield, who have smaller fanbases and are places where football isn't the be all and end all, can spend more than us.

We've made three signings v their six and spent about £5m more.

I wonder how the lad dresses himself in the morning if that's his take away from the transfer window
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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:43 am

Newcastle United is a soap opera mate,he just has a small part in it.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:46 am

Steve1956 wrote:Best..Palace holding on to Zaha
Worst..United...Expect Mourinho to be gone by Christmas
Anyone else concerned that Utd may want Dyche...? Afterall, they took a successful chap from Aberdeen and built a legacy, Dyche could be their Fergie MK2. It’s the only club I’d actually worry about coming in for him, especially if we have adapted again and look good again this season by Christmas...

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:48 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Anyone else concerned that Utd may want Dyche...? Afterall, they took a successful chap from Aberdeen and built a legacy, Dyche could be their Fergie MK2. It’s the only club I’d actually worry about coming in for him, especially if we have adapted again and look good again this season by Christmas...
No.
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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:48 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Anyone else concerned that Utd may want Dyche...? Afterall, they took a successful chap from Aberdeen and built a legacy, Dyche could be their Fergie MK2. It’s the only club I’d actually worry about coming in for him, especially if we have adapted again and look good again this season by Christmas...
Can you imagine the outcry from the United plastics if they did go for Dyche? :lol:
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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by RocketLawnChair » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:52 am

Anybody else on her not even heard of a vast number of the players on the list? At least we know what we are getting in every aspect with our three.

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by jdrobbo » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:29 pm

It’s very cliché, but give me a fully fit Defour and Brady and we’re lookung pretty decent.
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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Rick_Muller » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:34 pm

Does anyone else think that there should be a restriction on how many foreign loans each club can get? Looking at the list again, it’s worrying that so many foreign players have come on loan, or am I being fickle...?

Edit - I notice that it’s Wolves and Fulham who have the most - perhaps it’s a risk averse way of adding numbers to their squads...

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by quoonbeatz » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:42 pm

just read this about spuds not signing anyone, probably the daftest thing i've seen about the transfer window.

"But the Tottenham Supporters' Trust said they want "a full and credible explanation of what has happened"."

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Rumbletonk » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:06 pm

There is no way the clubs signing big numbers of players can have done their full diligence and looked properly into the characters of everyone of them. We've learned from the dressing room cohesion at Gawthorpe how important that is. There will be some bad eggs slipped through the net at some clubs and they will cause problems. Plus to make a judgement on who has had the best window you would need a superb knowledge of European football because I've never heard of the vast majority

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Re: So who had the best and worst transfer window

Post by Rumbletonk » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:10 pm

Somethings not right at Spurs. I know they're building a new stadium but not signing anyone is just odd. A couple more players and they could have had a real go this season. I'm wonder if they are gearing up to sell the club

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