time he moved to Madrid bored of him here now just another player

Everyone is just another player

I'm not.

Overrated, so much ability yet rarely an end product, with his dribbling ability he should be one of the World best but he's just not, like last season against us, came on and looked brilliant with the ball but what did he produce with it? nothing.

I agree krbfc, totally overrated , he wouldn't get any where near our starting eleven would he?

Vino blanco wrote:I agree krbfc, totally overrated , he wouldn't get any where near our starting eleven would he?

Yeah he'd breeze into most sides because of the ability he has, his stats show he doesn't produce anywhere near as much as the top guys.

He's good, can certainly turn it on, but wouldn't be in my first dozen or so attacking players in the premier league, if asked to list them.

32 goals 12 assists in the past 3 seasons (95 apps), played quite a large part of last season centrally. Ronaldo scores more in 1 season.

KRBFC wrote:Overrated, so much ability yet rarely an end product, with his dribbling ability he should be one of the World best but he's just not, like last season against us, came on and looked brilliant with the ball but what did he produce with it? nothing.

Overrated

Steve1956 wrote: Overrated

He’s right. Vastly overrated.

Doesn’t produce the final ball often enough to be a world class player. KRBFC didn’t say he was crap. Hazard is far from being crap. But he’s not anyway near world class.

KRBFC wrote:Overrated, so much ability yet rarely an end product, with his dribbling ability he should be one of the World best but he's just not, like last season against us, came on and looked brilliant with the ball but what did he produce with it? nothing.

Agree too.

Dyched wrote:He’s right. Vastly overrated.

Overrated is a curious criticism. It suggests that somehow the critic has a grasp of the sum total of everyone's opinion on a player, and then has worked out a mean average for ratings globally, and then compared that to their individual more correct rating. Particularly curious if you have more people agreeing he's over rated than not.

Anyway, Hazard is a brilliant player and Madrid would be lucky to have him but I look forward to seeing him on t'Turf this season again.

anyone seeing him in the world cup could tell he was one of THE most talented footballers in the world. Brilliant player, truly gifted.

I doubt there is a club or country in the world that wouldn't want him in their squad or even their starting team.

Definitely world class

Imagine how good he would be if he was Portuguese

NottsClaret wrote:Anyway, Hazard is a brilliant player and Madrid would be lucky to have him but I look forward to seeing him on t'Turf this season again.

He's no George Boyd though!

marc overmars played the same position was far better but not as lauded for some reason

Damo wrote:Imagine how good he would be if he was Portuguese

or if he produced the goods consistently, 12 goals last year for this supposed World superstar and he played centrally quite a lot, just poor for a player with the ability he has.

Marc Overmars was a front line winger with an eye for goal with speed his strength. Personally I wouldn’t make a direct comparison wth Hazard.

Dyched wrote:He’s right. Vastly overrated.

Doesn’t produce the final ball often enough to be a world class player. KRBFC didn’t say he was crap. Hazard is far from being crap. But he’s not anyway near world class.

Ok if you say so,but Hazard's last appearance on the Turf was a ten minute cameo as a sub,that performance was worth the admission fee alone,World class is Hazard.

Hazard is a top player when he's in the mood for it.

When he isn't in the mood managers get fired and Chelsea don't tick along as well.

He clearly isn't as committed as Ronaldo is to bring the best player he can be all the time which is a shame because he's a joy to watch when he's up for it and definitely a game changer.

Maybe he just needs a new challenge.

KRBFC wrote:Overrated, so much ability yet rarely an end product, with his dribbling ability he should be one of the World best but he's just not, like last season against us, came on and looked brilliant with the ball but what did he produce with it? nothing.

I thought he made the winner? I love watching him. Fantastic on the ball.

KRBFC wrote:or if he produced the goods consistently, 12 goals last year for this supposed World superstar and he played centrally quite a lot, just poor for a player with the ability he has.

Twice as many as the “world class” Ruben Neves, and in the league above, too.

Greenmile wrote:Twice as many as the “world class” Ruben Neves, and in the league above, too.

Comparing a deep lying playmaker with a player who played upfront on goals scored, makes perfect sense. He also scored more than the world class David De Gea. Mental

Steve1956 wrote:Ok if you say so,but Hazard's last appearance on the Turf was a ten minute cameo as a sub,that performance was worth the admission fee alone,World class is Hazard.

Yeah he showed all the dribbling ability in the world but produced nothing, the difference is, the top top players produce the end product consistently to go along with it.

Steve1956 wrote:Ok if you say so,but Hazard's last appearance on the Turf was a ten minute cameo as a sub,that performance was worth the admission fee alone,World class is Hazard.

Yeah he showed all the dribbling ability in the world but produced nothing, the difference is, the top top players produce the end product consistently to go along with it.

KRBFC wrote:Comparing a deep lying playmaker with a player who played upfront on goals scored, makes perfect sense. He also scored more than the world class David De Gea. Mental

I presumed from your post that goals scored (and portugueseness, of course) is the only metric on which players can be judged.

I don't particularly like him as a person (based on what he says and what I've heard about him) but, in my humble opinion, he's the world's second best dribbler. His feet move at an incredible speed. We were all told as kids to focus on the ball and not the attacker's feet but that is far easier said than done with Hazard.

I think the difference between him and Ronaldo is that the latter is never happy with the number of goals he's scored in a match whereas Hazard will settle with one or two. Which is already pretty good.

If he did go to Real it would force him to up his level but I thought this was the summer when he was going to leave.

Greenmile wrote:I presumed from your post that goals scored (and portugueseness, of course) is the only metric on which players can be judged.

When looking at the end product from an attacking player to compare alongside other attacking players, a fair metric is looking at the goals/assists stat but of course you will disagree because I'm saying it, you would argue black was white just to get KRBFC's attention.

KRBFC wrote:When looking at the end product from an attacking player to compare alongside other attacking players, a fair metric is looking at the goals/assists stat but of course you will disagree because I'm saying it, you would argue black was white just to get KRBFC's attention.

If I am just doing it for your attention, it’s working isn’t it?

I find the best thing to judge players on is how much they bring to their team, and how successful that team is. Hazard scores pretty well on both fronts.

Fantastic player.....very effective when his team have a lead like on the Turf last season he looked brilliant in his 10 mins because they were under no pressure to score.

Next time Chelsea are on tv put a bet on him to score or Chelsea to score when they are behind and 9 times out of 10 you will find yourself frustrated as hell by him (yes...from experience!!)

Footballing analysis at its very best

Probably the best player I’ve seen play at Turf Moor

brigante wrote:Probably the best player I’ve seen play at Turf Moor

Him and Fabregas for me

Greenmile wrote:If I am just doing it for your attention, it’s working isn’t it?

I find the best thing to judge players on is how much they bring to their team, and how successful that team is. Hazard scores pretty well on both fronts.

Why do you seek attention from me so badly? I don't swing that way, sorry.

KRBFC wrote:Why do you seek attention from me so badly? I don't swing that way, sorry.

You seem to be protesting a bit much. You keep replying to my posts, don’t you?

Greenmile wrote:You seem to be protesting a bit much. You keep replying to my posts, don’t you?

boring, I'll leave you to it.

KRBFC wrote:boring, I'll leave you to it.

But not before replying to me one last time, I see. You just can’t help yourself, can you? And yet it’s me seeking your attention in your mind. Seems a lot like projection to me.

Is he any good at gardening?

Steve1956 wrote:Ok if you say so,but Hazard's last appearance on the Turf was a ten minute cameo as a sub,that performance was worth the admission fee alone,World class is Hazard.

I could dig out 10 minute world class performances from many a player. Plenty of Burnley players have given 10 minutes of world class over they years.

They guy is pretty obviously good. He’s fast, brilliant control, skill, can beat a man with ease etc. But his end product is nowhere near World Class. When he starts creating, scoring 20 odd a season then he might be World Class. At the moment he’s on the same level as Raheem Sterling. They’ll be very few calling Sterling World Class

Dyched wrote:I could dig out 10 minute world class performances from many a player. Plenty of Burnley players have given 10 minutes of world class over they years.

They guy is pretty obviously good. He’s fast, brilliant control, skill, can beat a man with ease etc. But his end product is nowhere near World Class. When he starts creating, scoring 20 odd a season then he might be World Class. At the moment he’s on the same level as Raheem Sterling. They’ll be very few calling Sterling World Class

Point is he was rested for the Burnley game and only came in for the last 10 minutes.
I may be wrong (apologies if so) but was it yourself who was saying before the World Cup that he would not be up to performing at this level ?
Sorry if it was not you but on a previous debate on Hazard these types of comments were made.

When you say he’s the same level as Sterling I am assuming you are just taking the pi-ss ? Did you watch any of the World Cup. Hazard played far better than Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez and Neymar.

As for his stats other than his season where he downed tools under Mourinho he has scored / created 20 goals for the last few season hasn’t he ? He’s averaging 13 or 14 goals a season and whilst I have not bothered to check assists I would be surprised if he is not creating 6 or 7 a season. Plus pure assists can be a bit deceiving. Hazard often carries the ball 50 yards - just because he does not make the final pass he has still been instrumental in creating the goal.
He rarely gives the ball away and teams cannot get the ball off him - he’s often faced with holding the ball up with 2 or 3 players on his back whilst he is waiting for other Chelsea players to support him - nobody in the league does this better than him. If that is not end product i’m not sure what is

TVC15 wrote:Point is he was rested for the Burnley game and only came in for the last 10 minutes.
I may be wrong (apologies if so) but was it yourself who was saying before the World Cup that he would not be up to performing at this level ?
Sorry if it was not you but on a previous debate on Hazard these types of comments were made.

When you say he’s the same level as Sterling I am assuming you are just taking the pi-ss ? Did you watch any of the World Cup. Hazard played far better than Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez and Neymar.

As for his stats other than his season where he downed tools under Mourinho he has scored / created 20 goals for the last few season hasn’t he ? He’s averaging 13 or 14 goals a season and whilst I have not bothered to check assists I would be surprised if he is not creating 6 or 7 a season. Plus pure assists can be a bit deceiving. Hazard often carries the ball 50 yards - just because he does not make the final pass he has still been instrumental in creating the goal.
He rarely gives the ball away and teams cannot get the ball off him - he’s often faced with holding the ball up with 2 or 3 players on his back whilst he is waiting for other Chelsea players to support him - nobody in the league does this better than him. If that is not end product i’m not sure what is

No that wasn’t me tvc?

Im not denying the guy has ability. He has everything to be on the level as Messi, Ronaldo etc. He may have outperform them at the WC. But until he starts producing week in week out for a period of time not just the 10 minutes here or there he isn’t world class. I haven’t seen him drag Chelsea to an important victory like other Wc players do. He might have against Burnley. But Im talking huge games against some of the best teams. Look at Ronaldo at the World Cup. Dragged portugal to a draw against Spain with an hat trick.

Yes I do believe he’s on the same level as Sterling. There is nothing Hazard can do that Sterling can’t.

We all have a different perspective what “World Class” is. For me it’s doing what Salah did last season over a 4/5 year period. Not drifting in and out of games, turning it on for 10 minutes every month or so.

One of the best players in the Premier League at present.

Only De Bruyne is better at present... I.M.H.O. that is

Dyched wrote:No that wasn’t me tvc?

Im not denying the guy has ability. He has everything to be on the level as Messi, Ronaldo etc. He may have outperform them at the WC. But until he starts producing week in week out for a period of time not just the 10 minutes here or there he isn’t world class. I haven’t seen him drag Chelsea to an important victory like other Wc players do. He might have against Burnley. But Im talking huge games against some of the best teams. Look at Ronaldo at the World Cup. Dragged portugal to a draw against Spain with an hat trick.

Yes I do believe he’s on the same level as Sterling. There is nothing Hazard can do that Sterling can’t.

We all have a different perspective what “World Class” is. For me it’s doing what Salah did last season over a 4/5 year period. Not drifting in and out of games, turning it on for 10 minutes every month or so.

Hazard is not at the level of Ronaldo and Messi - and never will be. I would be surprised if anyone got near the statistics and level of sustained brilliance those 2 have ever again. But in terms of this World Cup Hazard was a better player than both and he did it more often than the one good game Ronaldo and Messi both had.

If Hazard (or anyone) did what Salah did last year over a 4/5 year period then he would be up there with Ronaldo and Messi....but he won't and neither will Salah very probably (nor anyone else).

Without wanting to sound disrespectful I think you are beginning to make stuff up to try and support an opinion which you are more than entitled to about Hazard. If you have not seen him drag Chelsea (or Belgium) to important victories against big teams then I am assuming you just did not see the games. He has been the best player on the pitch several times for Chelsea as they beat the big teams - and he has done this away at Man City, several times against Arsenal and also against Spurs and Man United....if you don`t believe me just look back at some of the old BBC reports. I don`t need to because I watched the games.

Hazard does not have the same ability as Messi or Ronaldo but that does not mean he is not World Class. If Salah does what he did last year for 3 or 4 years he will be a level of above Hazard. But right now Salah has won nothing and Hazard has won plenty. Hazard is in a group of few players who sit just below Ronaldo and Messi......they include Neymar, Kevin De Bruyne...possibly Harry Kane......most definitely NOT Raheem Sterling.

Sterling plays very well for City - but there is a big argument to say a lot of this is to do with the players around him (though I would not agree with other people who think its all down to this). Sterling for England is a completely different player....hardly ever scores or creates goals. He has scored 2 goals for England. Hazard has 25 goals for Belgium and is often captain of a team who have far better individuals than England.

Go on admit it - you are taking the p-iss about Sterling !!

You keep on referencing this 10 minutes at Burnley in the context of him only playing in 10 minutes spells. I'm not sure even Messi or Maradona can play brilliantly for more than 10 minutes if they are only on the pitch for 10 minutes ! When he started against Burnley when they beat us 3-0 in the opening game of the season a couple of years ago....do you seriously think he only played well for 10 minutes ? I don`t think there was any point in that game where we could even get near him.

TVC15 wrote:He has been the best player on the pitch several times for Chelsea as they beat the big teams - and he has done this away at Man City, several times against Arsenal and also against Spurs and Man United....if you don`t believe me just look back at some of the old BBC reports. I don`t need to because I watched the games.



You keep on referencing this 10 minutes at Burnley in the context of him only playing in 10 minutes spells. I'm not sure even Messi or Maradona can play brilliantly for more than 10 minutes if they are only on the pitch for 10 minutes ! When he started against Burnley when they beat us 3-0 in the opening game of the season a couple of years ago....do you seriously think he only played well for 10 minutes ? I don`t think there was any point in that game where we could even get near him.

Did you see the game last year? Hazard was a disgrace away at City, walked around the pitch while playing centrally, spat his dummy out. Hazard's dribbling ability is one of the best around, fantastic to watch him run with the ball and commit defenders but if that equates to 30 goals in 3 years then does it really matter how brilliant he can dribble if he isn't producing end product on a consistent basis?

KRBFC wrote:Did you see the game last year? Hazard was a disgrace away at City, walked around the pitch while playing centrally, spat his dummy out. Hazard's dribbling ability is one of the best around, fantastic to watch him run with the ball and commit defenders but if that equates to 30 goals in 3 years then does it really matter how brilliant he can dribble if he isn't producing end product on a consistent basis?

I did see the performance at City - whilst not agreeing with this it was clearly a protest against the managers tactics that day which were ridiculous as Conte spent most of the season trying to prove a point to his owner as he knew he was going. Hazard that day knew that Conte had deliberately thrown in the towel with the team / formation he picked and yes threw his toys out of the pram. But over the season he was very consistent and in a Chelsea side that was struggling he was by far their best player. Hazard is a winner and he wants Chelsea to match his own ambitions which they are failing to do as the owner decides he wants a new manager every 2 years.

He downed tools for one season - again not saying that’s the right thing to do but the whole of the Chelsea team did that year in protest to a manager who had lost the plot. Didn`t they finish 7th bottom with the same team who had won it the year before and then won it the year after ? The best player in both seasons they won it was Hazard.

Put that season to one side he is averaging 13 or 14 goals a year and then making quite a few more on top. He is Chelsea’s best player on a regular basis and it says something that he is is considered Belgium’s main player when they have a player like De Bruyne.

He is far more than just a good dribbler.

This no end product you are going on about is just not true. It’s ok to have an opinion on a player that differs from others but let’s deal with the facts. He has produced an end product by scoring or creating lots of goals in the last few years for club and country (check out his fantasy football points !!)