Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
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Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
We're probably never going to have a better chance for a while to make a real mark on European competition and the Greeks, by all accounts are a very good side.
Of course, the PL games have to be borne in mind, but would you risk it to get through this big step?
Should we just go for it?
Of course, the PL games have to be borne in mind, but would you risk it to get through this big step?
Should we just go for it?
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
I think we need to be more 'full strength' than we were for the Istanbul games for us to progress.
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Have they got better players than Istanbul had?ElectroClaret wrote:We're probably never going to have a better chance for a while to make a real mark on European competition and the Greeks, by all accounts are a very good side.
Of course, the PL games have to be borne in mind, but would you risk it to get through this big step?
Should we just go for it?
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Yes, although I think we will have a couple more bodies to choose from, so we should be stronger anyway.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
I asked the same question(are Olympiakos better than the Turkish side) on another thread and got the emphatic answer of 'No'. So now I'm confused.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Pre-season has finished and we've just about got through with half the reserves in, which has given them some game time and fitness. But this will be a more difficult test, even if they are not the team they once were, and a much more partisan atmosphere.
After all the hard work to get here it'll be a shame if we don't put our best team out.
I suspect we'll tactically do a similar thing to the Istanbul tie; try and sneak an away goal if possible.
After all the hard work to get here it'll be a shame if we don't put our best team out.
I suspect we'll tactically do a similar thing to the Istanbul tie; try and sneak an away goal if possible.
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Do they have any top class players like Istanbul had that we need to be wary of?MACCA wrote:Yes, although I think we will have a couple more bodies to choose from, so we should be stronger anyway.
Even though he wasn't playing, Turan showed the level of player Istanbul can attract and as I'm not familiar with Greek football I just wondered if Olympiakos have any players that are good enough to play for the elite sides in Europe?
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I think the team want to progress. Their reaction at the end last night showed getting through meant a lot to them.
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Guerrero sounds familiarSelby Claret wrote:1 Greece GK Lefteris Choutesiotis
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I won't enter into the full strength debate again because Dyche for better or worse has set his stall out to prioritise the Premier League so I'm just going to go to Athens and enjoy it regardless.
However, I do think that Olympiacos are a better team because the bookies say so! I also think that Istanbul likely have 3 or 4 better players, but a worse team overall. Their two wingers are fantastic, Visca was brilliant in both games and Ward did superb to keep him as quiet as he did, and Elia was injured for yesterday but has played in a World Cup Final for Holland.
I thus expect Olympiacos to be a bit like us - no outstanding player, but solid overall. Leaving Athens with a draw would put us in a strong position, but given that Olympiacos have 120 minutes to get away goals, we will probably need to score over there this time.
However, I do think that Olympiacos are a better team because the bookies say so! I also think that Istanbul likely have 3 or 4 better players, but a worse team overall. Their two wingers are fantastic, Visca was brilliant in both games and Ward did superb to keep him as quiet as he did, and Elia was injured for yesterday but has played in a World Cup Final for Holland.
I thus expect Olympiacos to be a bit like us - no outstanding player, but solid overall. Leaving Athens with a draw would put us in a strong position, but given that Olympiacos have 120 minutes to get away goals, we will probably need to score over there this time.
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If it's anything to go off, watching the highlights of their games against the Swiss team, the opposition looked like a pub team. Some really awful defending so I think we have a very good chance of progressing. Sadly, that's the reason I haven't booked for Athens yet in the hope of making the group stages.
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Going off transfermarkts squad values it’s not worth them turning up.
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/olympia ... verein/683" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sadly football is played on grass not paper.
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Sadly football is played on grass not paper.
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Olympiakos aren’t what they used to be.
They have been in crisis. I saw a fan say Burnley should be favourites.
They have been in crisis. I saw a fan say Burnley should be favourites.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Similar to what SD did yesterday. Fulham (a) the priority, but mix it up.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
I don't think we should priorities either the Europa League or the Premier League. The competition we're doing best in right now is the League Cup. We're into round 3 without even playing yet. Imagine what we can do if we decide to play in it.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Celtic just went out narrowly to AEK in the champions league qualifiers. I'm guessing Olympiakos finished 2nd in their league.
Consequently AEK are a better side than Olympiakos. I watched some of the 2nd leg of the Celtic AEK match and in the end Celtic were unlucky, they played some excellent footy and really took the game to the Greeks.
Now, the way some go on about the Scottish premier league being league 1 level, we should sweep past a 2nd rate Greek team that couldn't even win their league.
That's the theory, I'd be interested what others think.
Consequently AEK are a better side than Olympiakos. I watched some of the 2nd leg of the Celtic AEK match and in the end Celtic were unlucky, they played some excellent footy and really took the game to the Greeks.
Now, the way some go on about the Scottish premier league being league 1 level, we should sweep past a 2nd rate Greek team that couldn't even win their league.
That's the theory, I'd be interested what others think.
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Trust the manager and have faith that all the squad players Dyche calls on - for whichever match - have the ability and temperament to help us deliver.
Have a great time all those lucky enough to be going to Athens.
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Have a great time all those lucky enough to be going to Athens.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Play the strongest side, hopefully Vydra is fit enough to play to add creativity.
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They were third behind AEK and PAOK.chekhov wrote:Celtic just went out narrowly to AEK in the champions league qualifiers. I'm guessing Olympiakos finished 2nd in their league.
Consequently AEK are a better side than Olympiakos. I watched some of the 2nd leg of the Celtic AEK match and in the end Celtic were unlucky, they played some excellent footy and really took the game to the Greeks.
Now, the way some go on about the Scottish premier league being league 1 level, we should sweep past a 2nd rate Greek team that couldn't even win their league.
That's the theory, I'd be interested what others think.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Great! All the more reason to feel confident!Tall Paul wrote:They were third behind AEK and PAOK.
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The Turkish & Greek leagues last season.
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Olympiacos didn't finish as well as Istanbul did by the looks of it.
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Olympiacos didn't finish as well as Istanbul did by the looks of it.
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A packed stadium at their end, might get them going. All these teams keep the ball better than us
Away goals might be essential!
Away goals might be essential!
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Not especially but if someone in Greece looked at our squad would they think the same?Selby Claret wrote:1 Greece GK Lefteris Choutesiotis
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Not sure of their attendances in Europe but their average attendance in the league was around 14k in a 30k plus capacity stadium. Based on that, I’d be surprised if it was a packed stadium.IanMcL wrote:A packed stadium at their end, might get them going. All these teams keep the ball better than us
Away goals might be essential!
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That's strange DCWat. They are allegedly Greece's most popular team worldwide. They also have 90,000 paying members. Obviously not bothered about attending actual matches!
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
They arent anywhere near as talented as istanbul and are nowhere near as good as they have been themselves in the past.
But it will still be the tougher test. More pedigree and experience in europe as a club and that passes on to the players and fans. Every game is a new experience to us. The atmosphere, especially if they sell out will be like a 12th man itself. And I think they will sell or come close to selling out.
Will be a very tough game. A score draw away would be an excellent result.
We should play our strongest possible team and go for it.
But it will still be the tougher test. More pedigree and experience in europe as a club and that passes on to the players and fans. Every game is a new experience to us. The atmosphere, especially if they sell out will be like a 12th man itself. And I think they will sell or come close to selling out.
Will be a very tough game. A score draw away would be an excellent result.
We should play our strongest possible team and go for it.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
I believe the Greeks pose a far bigger threat - they just scored 7 in two games against Lucerne. Okay not the best team in the world but 7 goals means they can score. I think they'll keep our defence a little more busy than last night. As a few have mentioned as well if the fans get behind them in any numbers a Greek football stadium can be very intimidating.
I sincerely hope that Dyche takes the next games more seriously, okay we got the result last night but when I saw the line up I shuddered. If he plays those games against Olympiakos I think they'll bury us.
The other side note is that because of fielding weakened teams we have now twice been drawn into extra time that I believe wouldn't have been necessary had we fielded full strength. Surely that is more tiring than winning in 90 minutes?
On a good note I suppose that last night showed we have more strength in depth than we thought but it is still going to be risky continuing down that route.
Full strength next Thursday or I will have no sympathy if we lose.
I sincerely hope that Dyche takes the next games more seriously, okay we got the result last night but when I saw the line up I shuddered. If he plays those games against Olympiakos I think they'll bury us.
The other side note is that because of fielding weakened teams we have now twice been drawn into extra time that I believe wouldn't have been necessary had we fielded full strength. Surely that is more tiring than winning in 90 minutes?
On a good note I suppose that last night showed we have more strength in depth than we thought but it is still going to be risky continuing down that route.
Full strength next Thursday or I will have no sympathy if we lose.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
We really should, i hope Vydra is fit for this game as we urgently need pace up front.
To get to the group stage would be a great achievement. Surely we wont put out a second string for these next two legs, maybe Dyche and co will see what they can get away with in the first leg, last night felt very much like that with the initial line up.
Shame we didnt strengthen enough in the window meaning we are stuck playing players completely out of position....
To get to the group stage would be a great achievement. Surely we wont put out a second string for these next two legs, maybe Dyche and co will see what they can get away with in the first leg, last night felt very much like that with the initial line up.
Shame we didnt strengthen enough in the window meaning we are stuck playing players completely out of position....
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Which players are those?Giftonsnoidea wrote:Shame we didnt strengthen enough in the window meaning we are stuck playing players completely out of position....
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Yes lets get into the group stage.
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Tall Paul wrote:Which players are those?
Wouldn’t say Taylor is a left winger....
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Can we register additional players now? I know the likes of Heaton and Vydra weren't selected by us for the games up to now.Giftonsnoidea wrote:We really should, i hope Vydra is fit for this game as we urgently need pace up front.
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No idea, hope so tho, think Vydra will be a good signingFactualFrank wrote:Can we register additional players now? I know the likes of Heaton and Vydra weren't selected by us for the games up to now.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
I think he will be too.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Long and Gibson both earned their corn last night, as did Bardesley...no case at all for dropping them...not quite as convinced by Taylor at left half.
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Taylor is only one player, who has played left wing before and left back isn't completely different to left wing, so it'd be more accurate if you'd said we're stuck playing a player slightly out of position instead of the hyperbolic phrase you used.Giftonsnoidea wrote:Wouldn’t say Taylor is a left winger....
Yes we can change the registered squad between qualifying rounds.FactualFrank wrote:
Can we register additional players now? I know the likes of Heaton and Vydra weren't selected by us for the games up to now.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Just for information: it's Olympiakos.
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I believe either spelling is acceptable. Their official Twitter account spells it with a "C".chekhov wrote:Just for information: it's Olympiakos.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Regarding Vydra, isn't he playing again for the under 23s, which could make him more likely to possibly feature in the return leg, if he's selected for this round.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
'I think they'll keep our defence a little more busy than last night'
I hope not. Our defence was tested last night,both physically and mentally and came out on top ............albeit very tired.
I hope not. Our defence was tested last night,both physically and mentally and came out on top ............albeit very tired.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Something close, for sure.
I'd have no objection to Vydra being pitched in for a first start next week instead of one of the strikers, or indeed to a couple of players being rotated. But we owe it to ourselves to take this competition seriously and had we lost last night, I think there'd have been a bit of a sense of dissatisfaction in the crowd that could have permeated into our league campaign.
We also forced Hendrick, Ward and Taylor - two of whom I assume will have to play on Sunday - into 120 minutes of hard work up and down the length of the pitch last night, when arguably a stronger starting eleven would have stood a much better chance of getting the job done in 90 minutes. Long and Gibson did absolutely fine, but the impact of playing with such a makeshift team - only the two centre forwards have ever really paired up before - was that at times, especially when we were under a little bit of pressure, we were completely incapable of keeping the ball and building attacks cohesively.
I'd have no objection to Vydra being pitched in for a first start next week instead of one of the strikers, or indeed to a couple of players being rotated. But we owe it to ourselves to take this competition seriously and had we lost last night, I think there'd have been a bit of a sense of dissatisfaction in the crowd that could have permeated into our league campaign.
We also forced Hendrick, Ward and Taylor - two of whom I assume will have to play on Sunday - into 120 minutes of hard work up and down the length of the pitch last night, when arguably a stronger starting eleven would have stood a much better chance of getting the job done in 90 minutes. Long and Gibson did absolutely fine, but the impact of playing with such a makeshift team - only the two centre forwards have ever really paired up before - was that at times, especially when we were under a little bit of pressure, we were completely incapable of keeping the ball and building attacks cohesively.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
I'd say yes Olympiacos are way ahead of Basaksehir. Looking at most up to date UEFA club rankingsSilkyskills1 wrote:I asked the same question(are Olympiakos better than the Turkish side) on another thread and got the emphatic answer of 'No'. So now I'm confused.
Olympiacos are 37th
Basaksehir are =111th
just to give that some comparisons with premier league
Man City 8th
Arsenal 9th
Liverpool =14th
Man Utd 17th
Chelski 19th
Spurs 22nd
Burnley =90th
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
But strangely they don't look to have anywhere near the same quality of players if they are compared. Certainly looking at the list above, no-one of the same calibre as Turan, Emre or Visca.Claret&Green wrote:I'd say yes Olympiacos are way ahead of Basaksehir. Looking at UEFA club rankings Olympiacos are =28th Basaksehir are =140th, just to give that some comparisons with premier league
Man City =8th
Arsenal =9th
Man Utd =12th
Chelski =13th
Spurs =19th
Liverpool =22nd
Obviously they must have a good squad though to be ranked as high as they are.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Remember when no one had heard of our really hard working talented squad, and people thought they could just turn up and turn us over? Don't underestimate what is obviously a very talented and experienced side.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Difficult to gauge how good these foreign teams are, which is what makes our entry into Europe so fascinating.
Here is what to expect in Pireaus, they look a lively bunch, attack minded for sure, but equally Luzern look pretty hopeless at the back.
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Thing is, if they were facing any other EPL side they would know what to expect, probably they are not used to playing against our fairly unique blend of skill and organisation.
Here is what to expect in Pireaus, they look a lively bunch, attack minded for sure, but equally Luzern look pretty hopeless at the back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75sJi4hT3JY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thing is, if they were facing any other EPL side they would know what to expect, probably they are not used to playing against our fairly unique blend of skill and organisation.
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Re: Should We Put Out A Full Strength Side For Olympiacos?
Left back and left wing are a world of difference to a player that predominantly plays left back, that much was obvious, did well given the circumstances tho (playing out of position) we really should have another left winger who can play there as Brady has been injured for a long time now..........Tall Paul wrote:Taylor is only one player, who has played left wing before and left back isn't completely different to left wing, so it'd be more accurate if you'd said we're stuck playing a player slightly out of position instead of the hyperbolic phrase you used.
Yes we can change the registered squad between qualifying rounds.