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Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:13 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
The thread on Hendrick made me think, we have had plenty of scapegoats down the years. Or players who divided opinion despite success.

Who would your 11 be?

Jensen - Played a key role in our promotion. And Played for more games for a far longer period than anyone imagined. Played more games than most keepers we have had. Some loved him. Some loved to hate him. Personally liked him.

Mears - Looked brilliant when he signed him. But that was before the likes of Trippier and Lowton and after years of Dean Wests etc. Was awful at free kicks but thought he was Beckham.

Bikey - Should have realised he was a loose cannon after the play off game against Reading! Had the talent and physical attributes to be a top class defender. Had the mentality to be inside for a long stretch. Once met Howe and Tindall on a pre match ground tour. To say they werent complimentary of him was an understatement.

Gnohere - He was Bikey MK1. Stan didnt manage him the best. Scored one of the most memorable goals ever. Was a real fans favourite. But also threw a few in.

Fox - Some people thought Easton was better than him. Some thought he was premier league quality. The reality is he was somewhere in between and shows that by still playing at that level.

Arfield - To say we got him for nothing when he was unwanted by Huddersfield shows how much value we got from him. Scored some vital goals in The Championship AND Premier League and put some very good, hard working performances in. But some fans expected more without appreciating where he had come from and what he had done.

Hendrick - £13m price tag doesnt help. Does a good job in midfield. But the stats dont lie. His return on goals and assists isnt good enough.

Jones - Probably the most underappreciated player I saw for us. Did the simple stuff extremely well. Rarely lost the ball. Complimented Marney very well. Could never understand why people didnt rate him. Apart from perhaps his low key style.

Boyd - Hardest working player we have ever had. Which is the main thing you want from a Burnley player. Yet he was never fully popular with most fans I spoke to. Never really got to show his skill too often but that was more down to system than talent.

Gray - 23 goals to fire us to The Championship in his first season. 9 Goals in his debut premier league season. Cost £7m sold for £18m. Yet hardly any Burnley fan likes or liked him. Strange one. Was one of best strikers to watch for me. Pure striker.

Fletcher - Had a fantastic touch, had a decent return of 9 on his only premier league season with us. Signed for just £3.5m yet many thought he was awful.

Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:19 pm
by ElectroClaret
Arfield divisive? Really?

I know some didn't like him as much as other players, but not divisive, methinks.

Particularly after "that goal" against the Undead. :mrgreen:

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:21 pm
by 4:20
Graham branch had a bit of a torrid run with the crowd and then all of a sudden became a bit of a cult hero. I used to think he was getting sympathy cheers, then i realised how much i loved him playing for us

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:25 pm
by claretblue
that Jimmy Mac has still to convince! :?

:D

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:26 pm
by Vegas Claret
Cant do an 11 but can add some potential names

Chris Pearce
Steve Harper
Tony Philliskirk
Kurt Nogan

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:57 pm
by piston broke
Derek Scott. We usually played better with him in and missed him when not but folk couldn’t get over the family connection and abused him.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:57 pm
by If it be your will
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Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:03 am
by Rumbletonk
Steve Thompson and Adrian Randall (the best **** player ever)

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:04 am
by cricketfieldclarets
If it be your will wrote:Ashley Barnes? Or have we all come round to agreeing he's just totally ace now?

Did nearly add him tbh

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:04 am
by sox8595
If it be your will wrote:Ashley Barnes? Or have we all come round to agreeing he's just totally ace now?

YUP

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:07 am
by KRBFC
Chris McCann

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:08 am
by KRBFC
ginger James O'Connor another, I rated him

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:24 am
by Wile E Coyote
chris eagles, barton, tarks, brady, barnes, winstanley, blatherwick, jones, boyd definately.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:39 am
by majormajor
I always thought it was just accepted that Blatherwick was fairly useless.

Tony Grant has be in there surely? A classic ‘it’s the things you don’t see that he does well’ player.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:42 am
by Damo
Guessing the OP started watching us the season we got promoted to the premier league

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:09 am
by Wile E Coyote
majormajor wrote:I always thought it was just accepted that Blatherwick was fairly useless.

Tony Grant has be in there surely? A classic ‘it’s the things you don’t see that he does well’ player.


spot on, and it is a truly subjective topic.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:14 am
by HiroshimaClaret
You`ve FAR too much time on your hands, cricketfieldclaret!!! :D

It`s a good `un though!! Off the top of my head...

Steve Gardner +/-
Ron Futcher +/-
Joe Jakub ---/+
John Francis (unbelievably for me but had many a row regards one of my favourites) +++++/--
Andy Farrell
Nic Michopolous
Ian Moore
David Jones
Chris Eagles
Jeff Hendrick
Lee Briscoe

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:30 am
by kicker_conspiracy
Jean Louis Valois

John Oster

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:45 am
by HiroshimaClaret
kicker_conspiracy wrote:Jean Louis Valois

John Oster


Not more of a shrug of the shoulders?

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:00 am
by ontario claret
How about 10 most divisive Burnley managers? Actually, it would be a very short list. One name would make up all 10 entries.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:56 am
by BFCmaj
Paul Cook used to get a lot of grief if I remember correctly but he was class.
Dean West
Gareth Taylor
Ian Moore

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:18 am
by Down_Rover
Ade Akinbiyi and most of the players signed by John Bond.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:30 am
by KellyClaret
cricketfieldclarets wrote:The thread on Hendrick made me think, we have had plenty of scapegoats down the years. Or players who divided opinion despite success.

Who would your 11 be?

Jensen - Played a key role in our promotion. And Played for more games for a far longer period than anyone imagined. Played more games than most keepers we have had. Some loved him. Some loved to hate him. Personally liked him.

Mears - Looked brilliant when he signed him. But that was before the likes of Trippier and Lowton and after years of Dean Wests etc. Was awful at free kicks but thought he was Beckham.

Bikey - Should have realised he was a loose cannon after the play off game against Reading! Had the talent and physical attributes to be a top class defender. Had the mentality to be inside for a long stretch. Once met Howe and Tindall on a pre match ground tour. To say they werent complimentary of him was an understatement.

Gnohere - He was Bikey MK1. Stan didnt manage him the best. Scored one of the most memorable goals ever. Was a real fans favourite. But also threw a few in.

Fox - Some people thought Easton was better than him. Some thought he was premier league quality. The reality is he was somewhere in between and shows that by still playing at that level.

Arfield - To say we got him for nothing when he was unwanted by Huddersfield shows how much value we got from him. Scored some vital goals in The Championship AND Premier League and put some very good, hard working performances in. But some fans expected more without appreciating where he had come from and what he had done.

Hendrick - £13m price tag doesnt help. Does a good job in midfield. But the stats dont lie. His return on goals and assists isnt good enough.

Jones - Probably the most underappreciated player I saw for us. Did the simple stuff extremely well. Rarely lost the ball. Complimented Marney very well. Could never understand why people didnt rate him. Apart from perhaps his low key style.

Boyd - Hardest working player we have ever had. Which is the main thing you want from a Burnley player. Yet he was never fully popular with most fans I spoke to. Never really got to show his skill too often but that was more down to system than talent.

Gray - 23 goals to fire us to The Championship in his first season. 9 Goals in his debut premier league season. Cost £7m sold for £18m. Yet hardly any Burnley fan likes or liked him. Strange one. Was one of best strikers to watch for me. Pure striker.

Fletcher - Had a fantastic touch, had a decent return of 9 on his only premier league season with us. Signed for just £3.5m yet many thought he was awful.

Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.


Surely Lee Grant was far more divisive than Jensen? Half the fan base thinking he was the best keeper we'd had in years and the other half thought he was a complete liability.

Then what about Stephen Jordan or even Ben Mee for left back? Maybe too many considered Jordan to be shite for it to be divisive but for quite a while Ben Mee split opinion at LB.

I think Tyrone was pretty much universally considered a decent RB but some questioned his mentality.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:40 am
by claretblue
Damo wrote:Guessing the OP started watching us the season we got promoted to the premier league


‘...Gnohere..’ :?

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:47 am
by Quickenthetempo
Alan Moor and Keith Treacey
Ross Wallace
Wade Elliott

All inconsistent wingers.

All the managers have divided fans throughout my time as a Claret.
But probably Jimmy Mullen gets this by the time he left. Remarkabe what he achieved but the club/Teasedale didn't have the resources to match or maintain it. Got quite hostile at times between the Mullen out brigade and his supporters. Fights, arguments job lot.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:11 am
by cricketfieldclarets
Damo wrote:Guessing the OP started watching us the season we got promoted to the premier league

No. It was just universally accepted we were **** before then.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:24 am
by SammyBoy
Agree on all the OPs being divisive bar Arfield and possibly Mears and Fletcher who I think were largely considered good players by the majority.

FWIW I still can't figure out if Tony Grant was crap or not.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:47 am
by Burnley Ace
McDonald, Gazza, McMahon, Wharton

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:01 am
by bfcjg
Marney got a lot of stick because Laws signed him.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:11 am
by Longside4evr
Wharton was a fan favourite
A bit like big Vince
Probably because he wore his heart on his sleeve and watch us from the longside and sported a Burnley tatto that's all that was required in them days we where bad and heading for worse to come
Divisive player Les Lawrence

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:32 am
by joey13
Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.

Please define 19 games without a win as doing a great job ?

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:43 am
by DCWat
Martin Paterson
Andy Cooke
Michael Duff (early years)

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:44 am
by cricketfieldclarets
joey13 wrote:Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.

Please define 19 games without a win as doing a great job ?

Already did

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:02 am
by Quickenthetempo
I can't remember Cotterill getting much stick in the 19 game winless run.

The 19th game was Preston away if I remember rightly with plenty of Clarets there. No Cotterill out chants or anything like you would expect.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:07 am
by welsbyswife
Surely Mark Ford should have been a Burnley legend?

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:09 am
by welsbyswife
I thought Jason Hardy had the makings of a decent full back until the boo boys got on his back and he seemed to fade away.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:29 am
by joey13
cricketfieldclarets wrote:Already did

You didn’t mention 19 games without a win , please define how this is doing a great job

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:49 am
by cricketfieldclarets
joey13 wrote:You didn’t mention 19 games without a win , please define how this is doing a great job

:lol: ok then pal.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:27 pm
by Dyched
David Jones annoyed me how long it took him to turn with the ball. So one footed, Ive seen oil tankers turn quicker

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:36 pm
by joey13
cricketfieldclarets wrote::lol: ok then pal.

I’m trying to be divisive :lol:

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:18 am
by ontario claret
David Jones was the king of the backpass. Would get into a promising position and immediately pass to somebody in the back four.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:22 am
by tim_noone
Quickenthetempo wrote:I can't remember Cotterill getting much stick in the 19 game winless run.

The 19th game was Preston away if I remember rightly with plenty of Clarets there. No Cotterill out chants or anything like you would expect.

I heard them at Barnsley...

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:30 am
by THEWELLERNUT70
Tommy Hutchinson
Gareth Taylor
Ron Futcher

(Edit: incidentally I thought all three were great!)

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:32 am
by KRBFC
joey13 wrote:Manager - Steve Cotterill. Did a great job in very different and challenging times. Started with next to no players and first aim was to survive which he did comfortably. Closed the gap on Blackburn with a limited squad. Built a side that would later go onto get promoted. Got a bit stale towards the end but overall did a great job.

Please define 19 games without a win as doing a great job ?

The football was tough to watch and the long winless run was abysmal but we were that bad and short on numbers, Michael Duff played upfront for us..... Kept us up on nothing and built a solid foundation for the next manager.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:33 am
by THEWELLERNUT70
Although I think there could be a special category on here of the 11 most divisive left backs ;)

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:35 am
by KRBFC
THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Although I think there could be a special category on here of the 11 most divisive left backs ;)

Mo Mo Mo, mo camara

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:36 am
by KRBFC
I loved Mo Camara, better than Jon Harley and Jay Mckevely anyway

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:49 am
by Bop
Mick Docherty?

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:50 am
by CharlieinNewMexico
Phil Malley. Most thought he was absolutely terrible but without his steel in the middle of the park teams would have walked through us even more.

Ron Futcher. So far ahead in his thinking that no one had a clue what he was doing. Made him look terrible and slow but was light years ahead as far as a football brain.

Steve Taylor. Headless!!! Played about 500 league games and scored 1 in 3 career wise but couldn't even strike a ball right.

Re: Most divisive Burnley 11

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:03 am
by Fretters
Paul Weller, especially in his early years when he was developing under Mullen. Then some fans never seemed to forgive him for the trial at West Ham. I think only his illness stopped him signing? He was great at times when he got back regularly under Stan, and that goal at Oldham in the Waddle season was something else.