Michael Jolley Interviewed

[gawthorpe_view]

Talking about Sean Dyche.

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[burnley007]

Excellent stuff

[Longside4evr]

Brilliant stuff said with absolute honesty from the heart once a claret always a claret

[bodge]

Cheers for posting gawthorpe, enjoyed that.

[claptrappers_union]

What’s clear about Dyches input is that when players arrive, they leave as better players. Can anyone think of a player who Dyche has signed not really progressed?

[Funkydrummer]

[quote=" Can anyone think of a player who Dyche has signed not really progressed?[/quote]

Wells, unfortunately.

[Steve1956]

Nice words,forgive me who is Michael Jolley?

[Pearcey]

What’s clear about Dyches input is that when players arrive, they leave as better players. Can anyone think of a player who Dyche has signed not really progressed?

Nahki Wells, Keith Treacy.

[ecc]

He tried with Treacy but I don't think any manager could have solved his problems. He suffered with Depression and is no longer playing professional football despite only being 29.

[Loyalclaret]

Nice words,forgive me who is Michael Jolley?

Under 23 manager for 3 years according to video description

Between 2014 and 2017, Michael Jolley spent three seasons working with the Under-23 team at Burnley. Now in charge of Grimsby Town, via a short spell at AFC Eskilstuna in Sweden, Jolley talked to us about what he learned from Sean Dyche in that time, and why he believes the Burnley manager has had such a hugely positive impact on both the club and the Premier League.

[KellyClaret]

Nahki Wells, Keith Treacy.

Dyche didn't sign Treacy.

[Devils_Advocate]

Darikwa, C Long, Juke, Sordell, Vossen, Hennings, Reid, Taylor

Wells & Walters when they leave plus I dont think Gray progressed. Gray was just a very good signing who we got the most out of but I was really disappointed he didnt progress and improve in his second year and we really pulled Watfords pants down with the deal to sell him

[KellyClaret]

What’s clear about Dyches input is that when players arrive, they leave as better players. Can anyone think of a player who Dyche has signed not really progressed?

Jutkiewicz
Sordell
Chalobah
Matty Taylor
Gilks
Steven Reid
Kightly
Chris Long
Hennings
Vossen
Bamford
Flanagan
Walters
Wells

[woody]

Jutkiewicz
Sordell
Chalobah
Matty Taylor
Gilks
Steven Reid
Kightly
Chris Long
Hennings
Vossen
Bamford
Flanagan
Walters
Wells

And the common denominator in all these is that they were brought in as experience or didn’t hang around for long. You can’t improve every player that you coach but Dyche’s record must stand up against the very best.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Vossen was only here for about 10 minutes! How's he supposed to improve him? Steven Reid and Matty Taylor, top professionals at the end of their careers. How's he supposed to improve them, they're already there.

There's some disingenuous people on here.

[KellyClaret]

And the common denominator in all these is that they were brought in as experience or didn’t hang around for long. You can’t improve every player that you coach but Dyche’s record must stand up against the very best.

I think maybe 3/14 I suggested were. Not enough to suggest any sort of link.

8/14 were strikers though which is interesting.

[KellyClaret]

Vossen was only here for about 10 minutes! How's he supposed to improve him? Steven Reid and Matty Taylor, top professionals at the end of their careers. How's he supposed to improve them, they're already there.

There's some disingenuous people on here.

I'm not suggesting Dyche should've improved them. The question was "Can anyone think of a player who Dyche has signed not really progressed?" and i offered 14 suggestions. Not why they did or didn't progress, just that they didn't, which isn't disingenuous at all.

You can untwist your knickers now.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I'm not suggesting Dyche should've improved them. The question was "Can anyone think of a player who Dyche has signed not really progressed?" and i offered 14 suggestions. Not why they did or didn't progress, just that they didn't, which isn't disingenuous at all.

You can untwist your knickers now.

Would you not admit that those three were added simply to pad out your list? With your incredible knowledge I'm sure you'll admit those are pretty impossible cases.

There's a whole bunch of U-23s and U-18s you haven't mentioned yet. Get cracking!

[Devils_Advocate]

Vossen was only here for about 10 minutes! How's he supposed to improve him? Steven Reid and Matty Taylor, top professionals at the end of their careers. How's he supposed to improve them, they're already there.

There's some disingenuous people on here.

Agree and my comment wasnt a criticism of Dyche in any way. It was the original comment that every player Dyche has brought has left a better player that was a bit silly and OTT

What Dyche has done is remarkable and so I dont see the need to overplay and exaggerate the positives in order to justify this view

[ten bellies]

Vossen was only here for about 10 minutes! How's he supposed to improve him? Steven Reid and Matty Taylor, top professionals at the end of their careers. How's he supposed to improve them, they're already there.

There's some disingenuous people on here.

I think disingenuous is being too kind. Knuckle dragging, negative, whining, dull, desperate, thoughtless, insecure, vacuous may be more appropriate.

[claptrappers_union]

Agree and my comment wasnt a criticism of Dyche in any way. It was the original comment that every player Dyche has brought has left a better player that was a bit silly and OTT

What Dyche has done is remarkable and so I dont see the need to overplay and exaggerate the positives in order to justify this view

I wasn’t being silly or OTT, I was just asking the question in the interest of discussion. I’m not suggesting that any player who walks through the door is miraculously a super star over night

Maybe I should’ve stated how long a player has to be at a club for, and what your idea for progression is.

But I will argue the list provided.



Jutkiewicz - out for almost a whole season at the beginning of his time here, but you have a can have that one
Sordell - you can have this one too
Chalobah - kid on loan, since played games in the Chelsea first team. But I didn’t mean loan players
Matty Taylor - experienced player, I expected Burnley to be his last club, went on to play at Northampton, not bad given a player his age
Gilks - Cover
Steven Reid - cover
Kightly - was losing his way before he left wolves, overweight. Left a fitter player
Chris Long - you can have this one
Hennings - hmmmm, you have this one too, disnt know much about him or where he is now
Vossen - can’t say
Bamford - possibly, suppose he’s not playing in the top flight, but he was on loan
Flanagan - I’d argue that his did progress under Dyche
Walters - unfair to judge
Wells - needs a full season or so to judge, but want in Huddersfield’s plans.

[claptrappers_union]

Georges-Kevin Nkudu - you forgot him

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Georges-Kevin Nkudu - you forgot him

With us for 6 months. Got some playing time with us. Very decent at WBA. Never given a look in at Spurs.

= Progressed

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I wasn’t being silly or OTT, I was just asking the question in the interest of discussion. I’m not suggesting that any player who walks through the door is miraculously a super star over night

Maybe I should’ve stated how long a player has to be at a club for, and what your idea for progression is.

But I will argue the list provided.



Jutkiewicz - out for almost a whole season at the beginning of his time here, but you have a can have that one
Sordell - you can have this one too
Chalobah - kid on loan, since played games in the Chelsea first team. But I didn’t mean loan players
Matty Taylor - experienced player, I expected Burnley to be his last club, went on to play at Northampton, not bad given a player his age
Gilks - Cover
Steven Reid - cover
Kightly - was losing his way before he left wolves, overweight. Left a fitter player
Chris Long - you can have this one
Hennings - hmmmm, you have this one too, disnt know much about him or where he is now
Vossen - can’t say
Bamford - possibly, suppose he’s not playing in the top flight, but he was on loan
Flanagan - I’d argue that his did progress under Dyche
Walters - unfair to judge
Wells - needs a full season or so to judge, but want in Huddersfield’s plans.

I know they haven't exactly set the world on fire, but I feel Juke, Kightly and Sordell all left in a better career position than when they arrived.

[CnBtruntru]

Excellent interview, SD does improve most defenders who have been at the club in his time, not doing to bad with goalies either Hart 3 clean sheets who could have imagined that.

[NottsClaret]

When I saw the thread title I thought he might be in a spot if bother again. Nice interview anyway.

[Devils_Advocate]

I wasn’t being silly or OTT, I was just asking the question in the interest of discussion. I’m not suggesting that any player who walks through the door is miraculously a super star over night

Maybe I should’ve stated how long a player has to be at a club for, and what your idea for progression is.

But I will argue the list provided.



Jutkiewicz - out for almost a whole season at the beginning of his time here, but you have a can have that one
Sordell - you can have this one too
Chalobah - kid on loan, since played games in the Chelsea first team. But I didn’t mean loan players
Matty Taylor - experienced player, I expected Burnley to be his last club, went on to play at Northampton, not bad given a player his age
Gilks - Cover
Steven Reid - cover
Kightly - was losing his way before he left wolves, overweight. Left a fitter player
Chris Long - you can have this one
Hennings - hmmmm, you have this one too, disnt know much about him or where he is now
Vossen - can’t say
Bamford - possibly, suppose he’s not playing in the top flight, but he was on loan
Flanagan - I’d argue that his did progress under Dyche
Walters - unfair to judge
Wells - needs a full season or so to judge, but want in Huddersfield’s plans.

I was more saying the premise of the post was a bit silly and OTT but fair enough I'll accept my wording wasnt great and I was not trying to have a go at you. A lot on that list above weren't mentioned in my post but there's no need to argue over the list of individual players anyway as that wasnt mine or the other posters point

The point is Dyche man management, coaching and tactical skills obviously has the effect that he take decent steady players and improve their game and make them better players. That said he obviously cant do this with every player for a whole host of reasons so to say every player that Dyche brought to the club has left a better player is just wrong

A better way of phrasing it would have been something like 'every player Dyche has brought to the club that have become better players due to Dyche have left the club a better player than when they arrived'

[claptrappers_union]

But, the point stands that most players who sign a three year deal at Burnley FC under Sean Dyche will find it a positive career move.

[Steve1956]

Under 23 manager for 3 years according to video description

Between 2014 and 2017, Michael Jolley spent three seasons working with the Under-23 team at Burnley. Now in charge of Grimsby Town, via a short spell at AFC Eskilstuna in Sweden, Jolley talked to us about what he learned from Sean Dyche in that time, and why he believes the Burnley manager has had such a hugely positive impact on both the club and the Premier League.

Thanks pal.