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Chris Wood

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:52 pm

Dyche always says if you play well you keep the shirt. Wood offered zero today so I hope Ash starts against Fulham.

I'm sure Wood will come good but he needs to spend some time in the gym to build up some upper body strength - he got bullied by Craig Cathcart today - Craig ******* Cathcart !!
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by chekhov » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:55 pm

Maybe he needs to play up front with someone beside him (like in a what do you call it, a 2).
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KefkaClaret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:56 pm

I mean, we start Barnes instead of Wood against Fulham and we still don’t get enough men in the box and we don’t create chances. Wood is our best goal scorer, he should have a striker partner every time. We won 5 on the bounce last year when he was paired with Barnes.
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:57 pm

Wood already came good, I don't understand some of the negativity towards him, he relies heavily on service like all strikers, he didn't get a sniff at goal today. Blame the ones paid to provide for him then moan when he misses.
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:58 pm

KRBFC wrote:Wood already came good, I don't understand some of the negativity towards him, he relies heavily on service like all strikers, he didn't get a sniff at goal today. Blame the ones paid to provide for him then moan when he misses.
Imo he can't link up play or win a 50/50, although he's a very good finisher.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:59 pm

When we had Brady and Defour fit Wood looked good up top on his own with Hendrick behind him. Second half of last season when they were both injured we looked poor with one up top and Hendrick in the hole and looked much better with Wood and Barnes together

For me id like to see Vydra get a run out in Europe with Vokes and start Wood and Barnes together in a 4-4-2 next Sunday
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:59 pm

He needs a partner. I think Vydra will eventually end up starting in the support role, just behind him.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:00 pm

yes we don't give him enough service but the way we play we need our focal point to hold the ball up and bring us up the pitch - he simply doesn't do it when he's on his own. Maybe playing in a two would indeed help him.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by northernpowerhouse » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:01 pm

Wasted without a partner. Wood and Barnes were brilliant together towards the end of last season. God knows why Hendrick is starting ahead of Barnes.
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by chekhov » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:01 pm

KRBFC wrote:Wood already came good, I don't understand some of the negativity towards him, he relies heavily on service like all strikers, he didn't get a sniff at goal today. Blame the ones paid to provide for him then moan when he misses.
I liked your post until the last bit. Do we necessarily have to find someone to blame?

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by DCWat » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:02 pm

If we are launching balls up to Wood, there is no point him playing. Vokes or Barnes would have offered more playing like that.

He was isolated but did little to work hi way into the game, which for me was the most disappointing thing from him today.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by bfc-sparta » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:02 pm

End of last season wood and Barnes were both scoring when they stated together whenever hendrick started behind any of them we struggled . Simple solution either play hendrick in midfield where he belongs or play Barnes / vokes up top with wood
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:03 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Imo he can't link up play or win a 50/50, although he's a very good finisher.
and Ronaldo can't defend, I don't see the point in moaning about what he doesn't do well when that isn't his game, he runs the channels very well and is lethal infront of goal. Give him service and he will score, give him no service and he wont. It's the same BS we heard from supporters about Andre Gray when he was here, criticised for being isolated and starved of any service, what did Barnes do today in the same role (before Vokes came on), nothing. Non of the strikers really had a sniff, why was that? is that because Vokes isn't physical enough or Barnes isn't fast? No it's because the players paid to supply them with service were absolutely terrible today.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:03 pm

He’s not quick enough

There was a moment in the second half when Wood won the ball on the left touchline, played it to Ward or JBG ( can’t remebr which) who then put a great cross in that would have been perfect for Wood if he’d have been in the box.

He should have done a Bolt and got into the area ready for it as soon as he’d played that pass







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Re: Chris Wood

Post by tiger76 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:05 pm

Wood's a poacher,but he is isolated without a partner,Ash or even Sam are more suited to the lone striker role,at least the defenders will be worked and harassed,if we are going to start Wood it has to be in a two.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by lrac » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:08 pm

Just a bad day in work .I hope . :(

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Brooky » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:08 pm

Looking at the bloke he looks like a typical old style centre forward..........but he's far from it. I wouldn't mind seeing Vokes start as target centre forward with Wood playing off him or in an attacking midfield role instead of Hendrick. We have to something different with the 'group we have available at the moment.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by bfcjg » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:08 pm

Even Peter Crouch wouldn't have got to some of our tedious predictable inept high balls today.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by dougcollins » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:23 pm

Wood doesn't look fit to me.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:24 pm

I'm not really talking about how we played, I'm talking about his lack of physicality for such a big lad. He simply didn't hold the ball up because of it and got bullied by Cathcart. The debate about how we play and if he needs a partner is a different one. He needs a few weeks in the gym

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by ebby » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:27 pm

Why do we only play one striker when at home? Fine if away and in defensive mode, but at home it should be minimum two - just to entertain the paying supporters, otherwise whats the point in going?

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by agreenwood » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:30 pm

He can’t lead the line. He needs someone up there with him to do the physical stuff

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by taio » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:31 pm

Did absolutely nothing today.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by SkiptonClaret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:33 pm

He’s a lump. We have three lumps to choose from for our attacking options, exciting eh ? Plan B is always to lump it to two lumps instead of one. It’s awful stuff.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:34 pm

agreenwood wrote:He can’t lead the line. He needs someone up there with him to do the physical stuff
He's 6ft 3 - he needs to get in the gym and put some more muscle on him. If he/ the club have no intention of doing that then Dyche needs to change the plan cause the plan hasn't worked since Leicester at home in April

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:34 pm

He likes the ball played on the deck into his feet or down the channels. Its something that we are just not capable doing consistently at the moment and as a result Wood is looking totally ineffectual in his current role

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by agreenwood » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:37 pm

He’s a goal scorer. He has been all his career. His size is irrelevant.

If you’re asking him to do all his work 30 yards from goal, you’re not going to get the best out of him.
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:39 pm

He’s statistically one of the worst finishers in the league.

He was absolutely abysmal today.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Murger » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:39 pm

For a big guy, he's soft as pigshit. Cannot win a header too.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:50 pm

The same people moaned when we used to play a 10 man defence with Andre Gray playing upfront and in midfield on his own, apparently it was all Gray's fault we were wellying passes 80 yards to him while he was surrounded by 4 defenders and without a teammate close to him. Vokes and Barnes didn't have a sniff today either, it's not a surprise isit? we've always lacked creativity and had isolated strikers under Dyche.


Lincoln, Accy, Leeds we have lost to in recent years, took to extra time against Aberdeen over 2 legs, we can't break a defence down or supply strikers with the required service. Plan A is to hoof it to 1 striker, plan B is hoof it to 2 strikers. We used to absolutely smash the ball up in the air towards Gray who was up against big defenders, i've never seen Gray win a header in my life yet we continued to do it.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by chekhov » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:56 pm

Murger wrote:For a big guy, he's soft as pigshit. Cannot win a header too.
Unkind.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:56 pm

pace, trickery, goals from wide areas, do we have any of this?

Richarlidson has scored the same amount of league goals (3) in 2 games for Everton than JBG has in 2 years for us. 3 league goals in 2 seasons simply isn't good enough.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by chekhov » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:58 pm

KRBFC wrote:The same people moaned when we used to play a 10 man defence with Andre Gray playing upfront and in midfield on his own, apparently it was all Gray's fault we were wellying passes 80 yards to him while he was surrounded by 4 defenders and without a teammate close to him. Vokes and Barnes didn't have a sniff today either, it's not a surprise isit? we've always lacked creativity and had isolated strikers under Dyche.


Lincoln, Accy, Leeds we have lost to in recent years, took to extra time against Aberdeen over 2 legs, we can't break a defence down or supply strikers with the required service. Plan A is to hoof it to 1 striker, plan B is hoof it to 2 strikers. We used to absolutely smash the ball up in the air towards Gray who was up against big defenders, i've never seen Gray win a header in my life yet we continued to do it.
Yep, it's been an appalling last few years to be sure.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:58 pm

Dyche doesn’t like pacey tricky wingers. Defence first. Thought you’d have realised that by now.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by joey13 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:59 pm

KRBFC wrote:pace, trickery, goals from wide areas, do we have any of this?

Richarlidson has scored the same amount of league goals (3) in 2 games for Everton than JBG has in 2 years for us. 3 league goals in 2 seasons simply isn't good enough.
Richarlison 40 million, JBG 2 million

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:59 pm

agreenwood wrote:He’s a goal scorer. He has been all his career. His size is irrelevant.

If you’re asking him to do all his work 30 yards from goal, you’re not going to get the best out of him.
so you think when a ball is played into a lad that's 6ft 3 (which we did so many times today) and he gets out muscled by Craig Cathcart that's ok ?

I think we can all agree that that isn't going to get the best out of him which poses the question - why does Dyche ?

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:00 pm

4-5-1 for 70 minutes then go 4-4-2 for the rest, that's the template we use, fine if it's 0-0, pretty pointless sticking rigidly to it when you're 3-1 down with 30 minutes to go.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by TVC15 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:00 pm

Don’t think he is fit - and not sure he has been since last year. When you see how he played at say Liverpool away last year where he won nearly everything in the air and ran the channels brilliantly it’s hard to think he is the same player.

Yes part of it maybe down to poor service but a big part of it is down to Wood himself - he is playing nowhere near as well as he was when he first joined us.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:01 pm

joey13 wrote:Richarlison 40 million, JBG 2 million
What did Watford pay?

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:01 pm

joey13 wrote:Richarlison 40 million, JBG 2 million
he cost Watford 11.2 million who then sold him for 35 rising to 50 million

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by joey13 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:08 pm

KRBFC wrote:What did Watford pay?
You said how many goals he had scored for Everton

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:11 pm

joey13 wrote:You said how many goals he had scored for Everton
Yeah but Watford brought him over to England, just highlighting there are much better players out there at affordable prices to upgrade on the players like Lennon.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by joey13 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:12 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah but Watford brought him over to England, just highlighting there are much better players out there at affordable prices to upgrade on the players like Lennon.
What with our recruitment team :o

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:13 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah but Watford brought him over to England, just highlighting there are much better players out there at affordable prices to upgrade on the players like Lennon.
wasting your breath

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:14 pm

Problem for us is that we are not good enough as a team to carry a goal poacher.

The likes of wood and gray leave us 10 against 11 everywhere else on the pitch.

We don’t have the squad to support this type of player until Brady and Defour return with that little extra quality.

It is easy to say we should have bought an extra midfielder but we simply cannot afford it. We could only get a squad player to spend most of his time on the bench and equally short of quality or break the bank.

Roll on Brady defour and Vydra getting involved

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:17 pm

Down_Rover wrote:Problem for us is that we are not good enough as a team to carry a goal poacher.

The likes of wood and gray leave us 10 against 11 everywhere else on the pitch.

We don’t have the squad to support this type of player until Brady and Defour return with that little extra quality.

It is easy to say we should have bought an extra midfielder but we simply cannot afford it. We could only get a squad player to spend most of his time on the bench and equally short of quality or break the bank.

Roll on Brady defour and Vydra getting involved
I think you make valid points but how can we not afford to buy an extra midfield player? We've been making huge profit for the last few years and last seasons finish reportedly earnt the club £140M. Can't or wont? two different things.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:33 pm

KRBFC wrote:I think you make valid points but how can we not afford to buy an extra midfield player? We've been making huge profit for the last few years and last seasons finish reportedly earnt the club £140M. Can't or wont? two different things.
If you believe the reports we tried to get Clucas and Ward-prowse, either of which would probably be enough to bulk up the numbers. One can only guess they didn’t come because they would spend too much time on the bench as I alluded to.

Just because we earned £140m it doesn’t mean we can throw money at any player. We have wages to pay which probably exceed £70m, and we did spend a fair sum

As a club we don’t have the rich benefactors or other sources of income most other prem clubs have. It will never be plain sailing but we do have to do what we can to remain financially stable

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:36 pm

I DID feel very much like this last season and today absolutely confirmed it for me. Wood CAN (and did) score some important goals, but if he's not actually scoring he's a waste of a shirt. His hold up play is non existent and he can't win headers from long balls punted forward. Also he was very slow at least twice today to get into the box in the first half where he could have tapped in excellent balls across. Vokes for me is the all round better player and Wood doesn't look like an expensive upgarde at present, he looks like a decent championship striker who got lucky. (Or maybe he's not fully fit! ;) )
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Re: Chris Wood

Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:41 pm

Down_Rover wrote:If you believe the reports we tried to get Clucas and Ward-prowse, either of which would probably be enough to bulk up the numbers. One can only guess they didn’t come because they would spend too much time on the bench as I alluded to.

Just because we earned £140m it doesn’t mean we can throw money at any player. We have wages to pay which probably exceed £70m, and we did spend a fair sum

As a club we don’t have the rich benefactors or other sources of income most other prem clubs have. It will never be plain sailing but we do have to do what we can to remain financially stable
So you are saying we couldn't afford £7M or so for a winger/central midfielder because we don't have a rich benefactor? That's utter bullsh**, we were bidding £16M for Rodriguez on deadline day.

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Re: Chris Wood

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:57 pm

KRBFC wrote:Wood already came good, I don't understand some of the negativity towards him, he relies heavily on service like all strikers, he didn't get a sniff at goal today. Blame the ones paid to provide for him then moan when he misses.
Totally agree. At the moment for me JBG is not doing enough to keep his shirt. Yes his set pieces are vital but in open play he is offering us nothing. Constantly running into blind alleys and seems to be believing his hype a little with the way he roams around the pitch thinking he doesnt need to put a shift in anymore.

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