£8m wasted

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:02 am

Thats the sum wasted on two players who are not deemed good enough.
Whovever sanctioned paying an alleged£5m for Wells injured at the time wants seriously disciplining.
Jon Walters could have worked out but I hope we will at least get some money back when his loan becomes permanent.Wells we will have to write off as QPR are skint.
A serious overhaul of our scouting system and recruitment is needed.We have bought several duds in recent times.Juke Sordell and Long to name a few

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:04 am

I was just thinking that we needed another thread like this.

Ptangyangkipperbang · Post by **Ptangyangkipperbang** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:04 am

The problem I find a few years ago players like Walters would have been a free transfer now they command a fee

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:05 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Thats the sum wasted on two players who are not deemed good enough.
Whovever sanctioned paying an alleged£5m for Wells injured at the time wants seriously disciplining.
Jon Walters could have worked out but I hope we will at least get some money back when his loan becomes permanent.Wells we will have to write off as QPR are skint.
A serious overhaul of our scouting system and recruitment is needed.We have bought several duds in recent times.Juke Sordell and Long to name a few

Why haven't you mentioned this before ?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:07 am

Club in signing that doesn’t come off shock.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:10 am

You would have thought that our much maligned scouting system would have foreseen Walter's injury problems.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:12 am

The balloons are very quick to tell people to stop living in the past when you mention where we have come from in recent years or where we finished last season.

These same people are still crying about signings that didn't work out from 2014.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:15 am

Can we assume you'll be starting a thread praising the signings that have worked out?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:16 am

Uh huh

You are going to struggle to name a single premier league club that hasn't had similar or much bigger failures.

Not saying that makes it ok, but like everything, a tiny bit of realism in what is possible and what isn't wouldn't go amiss.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:21 am

'£8m wasted' would be a topic headline celebrating how little has been wasted at every Premier League club other than ours.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:22 am

cant be critical of a club acquiring a player and finding out it isnt working out at a later date, how could they forsee problems like that ?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:26 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:cant be critical of a club acquiring a player and finding out it isnt working out at a later date, how could they forsee problems like that ?

The experts on here knew they'd be bad signings... but then they say that about EVERY signing we make. Eventually you'll be right if you keep sticking to the same line.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:27 am

...or £8M spent during a learning process that has improved our club...???

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:30 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:You would have thought that our much maligned scouting system would have foreseen Walter's injury problems.

How were they to know we would get the horsefiddlers in a cup and one of them would do him?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:32 am

£8m wasted eh ?

That would seem a lot of money if it weren’t for the fact that we have brought in over £300m in the last 3 years in TV money and made another £50m plus profit on transfer fees.

Any other club in this league would be envious of so few failings in the market.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:44 am

Not really wasted. Walters started ok but got an injury, both strikers were recruited as backup to for Barnes, Vokes and Wood who have all played very well.

If they were playing every week and not scoring goals, I would see your point.

You mustn’t have have seen the likes of Lee Howey or record signing Liam Robinson.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:44 am

My issue on this saga isn't that we've wasted some money on a couple of bad signings cos as people have mentioned this happens at all clubs. What I jave found grating is the lengths people have gone to in defending the signings and ganging up on anyone who dared raise any concerns or criticism. Earlier on in the season I was even having posts deleted which were not abusive or slagging players off for the sake of it but was just expressing my opinion how bad the signings were.

I think this is why there is an overreaction from some posters to keep going on about it as to a lot of us (inc that blind man on a galloping horse) we could see that they never looked good signings and very quickly it became apparent they weren't.

There was a thread yesterday where people were having a go at KRBFC about stating things as gospel with nothing factual to back it up. Well for the last 12 months that's pretty much what we've had about Walters from the other side. Things like attributing Stoke going down because he left, how but for injury's he WOULD (not might) have been a good signing, how he is so good for the dressing room that even not playing he was a good signing and even on his hopeless performance in Turkey people were making out his experience and composure was the major influence on the team getting a draw.

I was unsure about Wells but not confident but from day one the Walters signing didn't seem right to me and ive constantly backed up my opinion with reasons why I think that and Ive spent 12 months of being called allsorts for having that opinion so its no wonder some of us have this told you so attitude.

There is no doubt that there are posters who go way OTT with their negativity but no more than people go way OTT with their happy clapping. As long as people have an opinion and are happy to debate it rather than troll with it or just constantly bully and criticise others for theirs then we should be free to express it and the board would be a lot better off for it especially compared to the forum being a bunch of robots just slapping each other on the back about how great everything is compared to the Orient game

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:50 am

First thing I've done this morning is make a brew, some get the keyboard out to smash out another depressing thread. If things are that bad at Burnley I'd suggest going to watch Manchester City, it is surprisingly easy to get a ticket. Then again you sound like the type who could find fault with pretty much anything.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:53 am

You were doing reasonably well until your idiotic final paragraph.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:02 am

Is it any wonder that the board seems reluctant to spend money on players when a couple of signings don't work out and we get threads like this?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:04 am

Whilst the Wells signing always seemed odd as we are in the Pl the intention behind the Walters signing was OK even though it has in hindsight turned out to be a sh*t signing. If you had spent the fees on one player and both wages on one player ( above our individual cap) I bet it would have acquired a very good player.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:13 am

The signing of Walters I could never understand but no doubt like others thought the management and recruitment team know far more than I do. I did think though that Wells would be a useful addition, once he was fit we'd have a player that could give us that extra something, obviously it didn't work out, for whatever reason. Part of the problem as I see it is down to our low budget in comparison to many other clubs. We are at the lower end of the shopping market and as such must continue to look for bargains, unfortunately some of the basement bargains are not as good as first thought.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:20 am

In fact the OP thinks we should play more like Liverpool. If only we could spend 0000000s on transfer fees / wages on top international players. Imagine UTC msg board if the club got one of those transfers wrong!!

Nothing to see here, as you were.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:21 am

Not wasted. Integral to squad for some time. Wells could easily have played more. The rise of Ashley Barnes saw him off. Walters picked up a bad injury. Loads of players get injured.

Look at the contribution of all the players we have signed and you will be amazed at our success, especially compared to others.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:23 am

Wasted? probably but to be fair, you won't name a single club in world football who doesn't waste money on signings, thankfully it's only £8M and the bigger signing have all paid off. Dyche has a good record with spending, I just wish he was given more to spend.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:24 am

Woodleyclaret wrote: Jon Walters could have worked out but I hope we will at least get some money back when his loan becomes permanent.Wells we will have to write off as QPR are skint.

If Wells does "well" at QPR and they can't afford him at the end of his loan period, where does it say that we can't sell him to someone else?
(Apologies if I have missed some clause in his loan agreement).

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:25 am

Wells everyone said "WTF?" to be fair

But Walters? Not many criticised that signing at the time because he seemed what we needed.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:25 am

But sometimes the more you spend on a player the bigger the failure.

Christian Benteke is s good example. £32 million completely wasted on that useless lump.

Now, would you rather we squander £8 million on two players or £32 million on one?

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:27 am

Personally can't see how either has been a failure. Walters extremely unlucky with injuries. Wells hardly given a chance. That's football.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:27 am

DA - you are missing the point.
I know very few (if any) fans or people on this forum who thought Wells was a good signing.
As for Walters given his Premier League experience and he was still playing regularly for Stoke there was a number of fans (me included) who thought this was a decent squad signing and good cover for our strikers getting injured or losing form.

If you said at that time you thought Walters was a bad signing - well done - but you should not be surprised people disagreed with you as it’s hard to see what the basis for your view would be. He had no real history of injuries and had played more in this league than the rest of our team put together.

But the point you are missing is that all clubs make mistakes in the market and we are no different. Dyche has made far less expensive mistakes than any other club so to be critical of a couple of transfers when it is a fact that all clubs make mistakes is not really justifiable.

The “happy clapper” description is very boring and pretty pathetic now. Nobody is clapping happily about how these signings have turned out - it’s just most fans do not expect perfection and realise we have actually done brilliant in the transfer market

It’s not really any different to having a forward who has scored 40 goals in a season and having a few fans who keep criticising him for the mistakes or chances he is missing. The fact that all strikers miss chances and he just missed a lot less is the same as our recent transfer record.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:33 am

Fao NL claret
You dont know what I am thinking.I would never be presumptuous to criticise anyone for expressing an opinion.I have followed my team through our darkest days chucking money in a bucket to help the club by a player.I dont like to see money being wasted.Why are we not scouting im the lower leagues.Jon Swift.Oli Norwood and Joe Worral are the type of players we can sell on.Wells and Walters maybe?

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:36 am

Why is it that the standard response to any criticism is "why not suppprt Man City". Its such a trite line and adds zero to any conversation.

Its a fair criticism - Wells in particular was a hugely strange signing. I was positive about Walters and bar an injury that could have worked out, but to pay 5m for an unwanted injured player who essentially never got anywhere near the team is frankly just ******* money away.

Arguing that they were backup as justification doesnt wash as we had a dip in form towards the end of the season and we are scraping the barrel for a bench now yet still no sign of Wells near the matcj squad. It was only July when Wells was determined to stay and earm a place. A hit and hope signing that to be fair i defended quite a bit last season in terms of he wpuld cpme through. Otherwise why pay 5m - might as well use Agyei as back up for emergencies if thats all Wells was. And in any case signing a playrr who is injured doesnt seem good for backup

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:37 am

Thank **** we didn't sign Fernando Torres or Andriy Shevchenko eh.

We would have had to sell the town to make back those sort of losses.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:39 am

If Wells is such a bad player then perhaps go on the Huddersfield forum. They have somewhat of a different opinion.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:48 am

8 million! Peanuts!.....Rom Lakaku !

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:57 am

Welcome to the Premier League: awash with money...and over-priced players.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:06 am

Insurance premiums? Total waste of money? If a player is brought in and is unlikely to be a 100% nailed on starter (e.g. Taylor, Wells, Barnes, Vokes, Bardsley etc etc) I look at those signings as Insurance premiums. Sadly those premiums in recent years have become inflated for many reasons, but I am happy to defend paying Insurance Premiums as the only way to get a better squad.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:07 am

Name a club or manager that’s hasn’t had an unsuccessful transfer! You can’t win the raffle,every time you buy a ticket.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:08 am

8m is the cost of doing business at this level of football.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:09 am

TVC15 wrote:DA - you are missing the point.
I know very few (if any) fans or people on this forum who thought Wells was a good signing.
As for Walters given his Premier League experience and he was still playing regularly for Stoke there was a number of fans (me included) who thought this was a decent squad signing and good cover for our strikers getting injured or losing form.

If you said at that time you thought Walters was a bad signing - well done - but you should not be surprised people disagreed with you as it’s hard to see what the basis for your view would be. He had no real history of injuries and had played more in this league than the rest of our team put together.

But the point you are missing is that all clubs make mistakes in the market and we are no different. Dyche has made far less expensive mistakes than any other club so to be critical of a couple of transfers when it is a fact that all clubs make mistakes is not really justifiable.

The “happy clapper” description is very boring and pretty pathetic now. Nobody is clapping happily about how these signings have turned out - it’s just most fans do not expect perfection and realise we have actually done brilliant in the transfer market

It’s not really any different to having a forward who has scored 40 goals in a season and having a few fans who keep criticising him for the mistakes or chances he is missing. The fact that all strikers miss chances and he just missed a lot less is the same as our recent transfer record.

Hi TVC15. I don't want to go on much more about this as ive made a long point to express my thoughts and people are free to disagree. Just a few things though.

The bit about missing the point. I have no problem with people thinking it was a good signing and I'm not trying to act like I knew something others didn't. If we'd have sold Barnes (unbelievable to imagine it now but that was being touted last summer) then I would have thought it was a decent signing. It was when we finished the Window with Wood, Barnes, Vokes and Walters that I first expressed my concern that his signing left us lacking in any additional quality and unbalanced. My point was more around Christmas and beyond when I was having posts deleted and being called allsorts because I thought it was shown to be an awful signing. It was the people arguing with me who plucked positives out of thin air with no substance yet I was seen as the troll or moaner and was constantly ganged up on by posters just criticising me and not engaging in discussion

With regards the happy clappers bit then fair enough I was struggling to think of a better description to illustrate my point but my point was that I see a lot of people say that the moaners and whingers (really people with just a different critical opinion) are ruining the board whereas I think having different opinions and discussions makes a good board. If we got rid of people like me and anyone else who doesn't just have a positive opinion and take the club line on anything it would be like a board of robots.

I'll leave this thread now as ive posted enough and as said people can agree, disagree or not care

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:25 am

Small change

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:34 am

piston broke wrote:How were they to know we would get the horsefiddlers in a cup and one of them would do him?

I think you may have missed the hint of sarcasm.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:39 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:I think you may have missed the hint of sarcasm.

There is so much anger on here and so little sarcasm I have to plead guilty. Apologies.

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:44 am

Papabendi wrote:8m is the cost of doing business at this level of football.

Didn't we make about 8m or so profit on the sale of Gray to Watford ?
Things kind of level out and I'd say any multi million business has a degree of wastage.
Wells may benefit from more playing time at QPR and come back rejuvenated and brimming with confidence or at least bolster the transfer fee we receive.
Let's wait and see.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:54 am

We made a good profit on Andre ...will /could the same be said if we sell wood? I Very much Doubt it.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:57 am

Whilst poor signings for £8m these things balance themselves out like any businesses

Jack Cork £7m?? Would you be against the club paying £15m?? Probably not £8m saved already

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:59 am

Dyched wrote:Whilst poor signings for £8m these things balance themselves out like any businesses

Jack Cork £7m?? Would you be against the club paying £15m?? Probably not £8m saved already

But my main concern is why at 8am is the poster worrying about what the club as spent? Make yourself a brew and some breakfast and chill out man

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:20 am

It's impossible to judge his quality without getting any game time - I am surprised he wasn't given more than a few minutes all season.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:47 am

If you break your strikers into categories, the is what I reckon you have to pay

Superstar striker, sells shirts globally >£80m
Main Striker (20 a season quality striker) >£40m
Partner (10 a season) >£15m
Option from the bench / replacement for injuries, suspension etc £8m
Experienced player over 33 signed from another PL club >£500,000

Thats what Premier League market is at the moment, I reckon

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:48 am

Our back five plus all the back ups cost about £15 million and their defensive record was only bettered by the top 3 clubs last season.

This proves a couple of things, first our recruitment system appears to be pretty good, secondly that it is a hell of a lot more
difficult to buy forwards who are up to Premier League standards especially the top end.

The club who finished in the position immediately above Burnley last season spent £47million on Lacazette and £56 million on Aubameyang.