Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
When we first signed him, he was running at defences, getting to the byeline then putting in great crosses.
Now, he almost always refuses to get forwards and never wants to cross the ball unless he has no other choice.
So frustrating to watch. Has Sean taken the attack out of him?
Now, he almost always refuses to get forwards and never wants to cross the ball unless he has no other choice.
So frustrating to watch. Has Sean taken the attack out of him?
Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
More than likely. Just like he's obviously told Lennon to tuck in and not stick to the byline.
Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Thought he got forward quite a lot relative to the team's performance, especially second half.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Thought he got forward a lot today unfortunately he ky had pink shirts to aim for in the box
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
He came up in support of Mcneil quite a few times second half, but that left foot of Mcneil's is very very good and I think Taylor preferred laying it off.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Had a good game and put in more crosses than any other player?
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
I must have been at a different game. I personally thought Taylor was one of the few players to come out of this hammering with any credit.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
I don't think it's fear of going forwards, it's just that he's been told not too. You know, cos #keeptheshape
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Got more crosses in than Lennon
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An extremely frustrating one given Lennon, who is a winger, had one noticeably good play today... which came from acting as a winger.Murger wrote:More than likely. Just like he's obviously told Lennon to tuck in and not stick to the byline.
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I think this is it exactly but it is frustrating when we cripple a players natural instincts.SGr wrote:I don't think it's fear of going forwards, it's just that he's been told not too. You know, cos #keeptheshape
He got forwards but seemed to stop when on line with the outer edge of the goalies area. I was screaming at him to keep going. Only did a couple of times.
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Surely Dyche must remember that Kieran Trippier didn't pick up 14 assists from fullback by being nullified in the attacking sense. Counter-productive, especially when we're 1-0 down.Steddyman wrote:I think this is it exactly but it is frustrating when we cripple a players natural instincts.
He got forwards but seemed to stop when on line with the outer edge of the goalies area. I was screaming at him to keep going. Only did a couple of times.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
What's the point in Taylor going forward when he has nobody to cross too...........notice how many times he got forward and put crosses in when we played two up front from 60 mins onwards. I keep saying it, Dyche doesn't set us up to win games
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
It’s amazing our manager got us to 7th set up not to win games
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I don’t think he put one decent cross in today personally. They were either blocked as he went down blind alleys or floated comfortably into the keeper to catch.
The jury is also out for me on his first touch - nowhere near as assured as Ward and he seems to be often on the stretch after his first touch.
He never gave up trying today though and he’s only young and inexperienced at this level....plus part of our crosses looking poor could be down to a lack of players in the box
The jury is also out for me on his first touch - nowhere near as assured as Ward and he seems to be often on the stretch after his first touch.
He never gave up trying today though and he’s only young and inexperienced at this level....plus part of our crosses looking poor could be down to a lack of players in the box
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
How many times did Dyche say small margins last season ?Hibsclaret wrote:It’s amazing our manager got us to 7th set up not to win games
How long are you planning on living in the past for ?
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Really? This thread is far from true. Of all the players you could of accused, Taylor seems to consistently move the ball to the front.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Also didn't do terribly in defence either. Threw himself in front of a few shots, including just before the 2nd goal.
Thought he did okay all round, nothing special, but not terrible either.
Thought he did okay all round, nothing special, but not terrible either.
Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
The whole finishing 7th was a tad misleading from the truth last season if were honest, sick of hearing it as an excuse for this seasons poor start nowHibsclaret wrote:It’s amazing our manager got us to 7th set up not to win games
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This from the shankley esque views of someone who blames the attack for our recent woes....Vegas Claret wrote:How many times did Dyche say small margins last season ?
How long are you planning on living in the past for ?
Better to live in the past than have total confusion of the present
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Bsbumba wrote:The whole finishing 7th was a tad misleading from the truth last season if were honest, sick of hearing it as an excuse for this seasons poor start now
Ward is part of our best defence which has been proven over 3 seasons
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Wards legs started going towards the back end of last season and they haven't recovered.Hibsclaret wrote:Bs
Ward is part of our best defence which has been proven over 3 seasons
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Even Beckham with his pin point precision would struggle to pick one Burnley player out with 3 defenders marking him and a world class goalie who is happy to come and catch anywhere.
We need to spend the next two weeks getting people confident in attacking areas, so they want the ball and know they will have options when they get to the box.
Taylors doing just fine.
We need to spend the next two weeks getting people confident in attacking areas, so they want the ball and know they will have options when they get to the box.
Taylors doing just fine.
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Hibsclaret wrote:Bs
Ward is part of our best defence which has been proven over 3 seasons
Let's keep playing him until he's 40 then because of what he did over those three seasons.
Footballers get older, slower and there legs start to go so need replacing.
Unsure why you brought that up withme though when i was making a point about finishing 7th
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Not sure where people get the idea that Ward’s ‘legs have gone’, whatever that actually means. It’s just another lazy phrase without much substance, like ‘panic buy’. Ward’s had a couple of poor games, like most of the squad, but he still remains one of our most important players in both attack and defence. Taylor is still a little way behind in my opinion but he’s shown some positive signs.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
I didn’t know we were currently 7th?Hibsclaret wrote:It’s amazing our manager got us to 7th set up not to win games
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Taylor and McNeil seemed to get into space to cross a number of times but with Wood stood with 3/4 United players, decided against crossing - is that Taylor’s fault
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He hasn't just had a couple of bad games though. He was fading towards the back end of last season and started this season the same.Rileybobs wrote:Not sure where people get the idea that Ward’s ‘legs have gone’, whatever that actually means. It’s just another lazy phrase without much substance, like ‘panic buy’. Ward’s had a couple of poor games, like most of the squad, but he still remains one of our most important players in both attack and defence. Taylor is still a little way behind in my opinion but he’s shown some positive signs.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
We’ve played 4 games. Let’s all check the table after a dozen games to get some perspectivebfccrazy wrote:I didn’t know we were currently 7th?
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Really. Get a seat facing the pitchMurger wrote:He hasn't just had a couple of bad games though. He was fading towards the back end of last season and started this season the same.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
what ?Hibsclaret wrote:This from the shankley esque views of someone who blames the attack for our recent woes....
Better to live in the past than have total confusion of the present
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Wouldn’t expect you to understand given you think our attack is the problem...Vegas Claret wrote:what ?
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Our attack isn't the problem, Dyche's tactics are so what's your point ?Hibsclaret wrote:Wouldn’t expect you to understand given you think our attack is the problem...
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
So you have no problem with the attack (although you did on another thread) or the defence. You have a problem with the tactics of our best manager arguably since Harry Potts.
You do understand he took us into Europe for the first time in 50 years with his tactics?
You understand that he has had to switch his team more regularly than ever before as all teams in Europe do?
You understand he may be learning at a new level himself?
Yet you question his tactics after 4 league games when we nearly knocked Olympiacos out of Europe last week.
You do understand he took us into Europe for the first time in 50 years with his tactics?
You understand that he has had to switch his team more regularly than ever before as all teams in Europe do?
You understand he may be learning at a new level himself?
Yet you question his tactics after 4 league games when we nearly knocked Olympiacos out of Europe last week.
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I have. Maybe you should invest in some better specs.Hibsclaret wrote:Really. Get a seat facing the pitch
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
50 caps this week suggest otherwiseMurger wrote:I have. Maybe you should invest in some better specs.
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What's that got to do with anything? Walters has also been called up and he hasn't even played.Hibsclaret wrote:50 caps this week suggest otherwise
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
No mate, I along with others have been questioning his tactics for a long time. 5 wins in 32. How did we nearly knock out Olympiacos in midweek with what was probably our best performance since April (Leicester at home)...........we played 4-4-2. Yet he reverts back to the 4-5-1 rubbish against Man Utd who always play Smalling, Matic and Felliani against us. I understand we have longterm injuries which makes the transfer window even more ridiculous. If he was learning he wouldn't have played 4-5-1 for the last 30+ games.Hibsclaret wrote:So you have no problem with the attack (although you did on another thread) or the defence. You have a problem with the tactics of our best manager arguably since Harry Potts.
You do understand he took us into Europe for the first time in 50 years with his tactics?
You understand that he has had to switch his team more regularly than ever before as all teams in Europe do?
You understand he may be learning at a new level himself?
Yet you question his tactics after 4 league games when we nearly knocked Olympiacos out of Europe last week.
Why is it you think I or others don't have a right to question the tactics ? I have no problem with you backing his tactics at all but I'd like you to explain why you think they are working when the numbers prove they aren't and haven't been since April. (use the quote function so I know you've replied)
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
If he gets his 50th cap this week it suggests he is the best Irish left back and has been for some years.
He is also Burnley’s best left back.
Dyche knows this too given the number of games he has played whilst other options are available. I understand why he has played Taylor recently and he was perfect for a game against Olympiacos, for example, where we needed a few goals.
Man U is a different challenge and now we are out of Europe the sooner we get back to a settled back 4 namely Lowton, Tarky, Mee and Ward the better
He is also Burnley’s best left back.
Dyche knows this too given the number of games he has played whilst other options are available. I understand why he has played Taylor recently and he was perfect for a game against Olympiacos, for example, where we needed a few goals.
Man U is a different challenge and now we are out of Europe the sooner we get back to a settled back 4 namely Lowton, Tarky, Mee and Ward the better
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
You have every right to question his tactics. The issue is you don’t know what you are talking aboutVegas Claret wrote:No mate, I along with others have been questioning his tactics for a long time. 5 wins in 32. How did we nearly knock out Olympiacos in midweek with what was probably our best performance since April (Leicester at home)...........we played 4-4-2. Yet he reverts back to the 4-5-1 rubbish against Man Utd who always play Smalling, Matic and Felliani against us. I understand we have longterm injuries which makes the transfer window even more ridiculous. If he was learning he wouldn't have played 4-5-1 for the last 30+ games.
Why is it you think I or others don't have a right to question the tactics ? I have no problem with you backing his tactics at all but I'd like you to explain why you think they are working when the numbers prove they aren't and haven't been since April. (use the quote function so I know you've replied)
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If he thinks Ward is the clubs best left back, why didn't he play him yesterday after seemingly resting him on Thursday?Hibsclaret wrote:If he gets his 50th cap this week it suggests he is the best Irish left back and has been for some years.
He is also Burnley’s best left back.
Dyche knows this too given the number of games he has played whilst other options are available. I understand why he has played Taylor recently and he was perfect for a game against Olympiacos, for example, where we needed a few goals.
Man U is a different challenge and now we are out of Europe the sooner we get back to a settled back 4 namely Lowton, Tarky, Mee and Ward the better
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
So I ask you to tell me why you are backing his tactics and you can't and instead tell me I don't know what I'm talking about - nice one HibsHibsclaret wrote:You have every right to question his tactics. The issue is you don’t know what you are talking about
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
No idea. I think he should have played as should Lowton.Murger wrote:If he thinks Ward is the clubs best left back, why didn't he play him yesterday after seemingly resting him on Thursday?
He may have been giving them a kick up the backside after Fulham
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He looks a lot more bulky than when he first arrived.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
I back all his tactics and decisions because he is the best manager we have had in my lifetime. Quite simple really and it deserves trust after what we have achieved under himVegas Claret wrote:So I ask you to tell me why you are backing his tactics and you can't and instead tell me I don't know what I'm talking about - nice one Hibs
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Clutching I'm afraid. What we're seeing is a passing of the guard.Hibsclaret wrote:No idea. I think he should have played as should Lowton.
He may have been giving them a kick up the backside after Fulham
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
Clutching? What are u talking about?Murger wrote:Clutching I'm afraid. What we're seeing is a passing of the guard.
How is not knowing what has gone on since Fulham clutching at straws?
I have an opinion on what our best back 4 is. The opinion is shared by many posters on here but none of us knows what goes on in the dressing room.
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Re: Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?
So let's say you have a favourite restaurant, it has the best chef they've ever had and in the last few years has served up some brilliant food and rightly received critical acclaim. However, ever since his moment of success he's been putting out substandard food despite the fact you and others know what he is capable of - you wouldn't question it ?Hibsclaret wrote:I back all his tactics and decisions because he is the best manager we have had in my lifetime. Quite simple really and it deserves trust after what we have achieved under him
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Good analogy. That’s not what’s happened though.Vegas Claret wrote:So let's say you have a favourite restaurant, it has the best chef they've ever had and in the last few years has served up some brilliant food and rightly received critical acclaim. However, ever since his moment of success he's been putting out substandard food despite the fact you and others know what he is capable of - you wouldn't question it ?
The food at Southampton was great (after an hour we felt full and couldn’t eat any more)
The first half food against Watford was even better (we accidentally added too much salt at halftime and had to leave the meal)
The first half food away at Olympiacos was great (the waiter removed the plate at half time)
The food at home to Olympiacos was great.
The food at Fulham was poor (it was over cooked and inedible)
The food yesterday had the wrong ingredients (someone added chilli powder instead of Paprika by mistake and we couldn’t eat it)
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