Why is Taylor scared of going forwards?

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:36 pm

When we first signed him, he was running at defences, getting to the byeline then putting in great crosses.

Now, he almost always refuses to get forwards and never wants to cross the ball unless he has no other choice.

So frustrating to watch. Has Sean taken the attack out of him?

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:37 pm

More than likely. Just like he's obviously told Lennon to tuck in and not stick to the byline.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:37 pm

Thought he got forward quite a lot relative to the team's performance, especially second half.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:39 pm

Thought he got forward a lot today unfortunately he ky had pink shirts to aim for in the box

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:41 pm

He came up in support of Mcneil quite a few times second half, but that left foot of Mcneil's is very very good and I think Taylor preferred laying it off.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:01 pm

Dyche ?

DuckworthsEA · Post by **DuckworthsEA** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:06 pm

Had a good game and put in more crosses than any other player?

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:27 pm

I must have been at a different game. I personally thought Taylor was one of the few players to come out of this hammering with any credit.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:29 pm

I don't think it's fear of going forwards, it's just that he's been told not too. You know, cos #keeptheshape

1914tyrone · Post by **1914tyrone** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:30 pm

Got more crosses in than Lennon

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:30 pm

Murger wrote:More than likely. Just like he's obviously told Lennon to tuck in and not stick to the byline.

An extremely frustrating one given Lennon, who is a winger, had one noticeably good play today... which came from acting as a winger.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:31 pm

SGr wrote:I don't think it's fear of going forwards, it's just that he's been told not too. You know, cos #keeptheshape

I think this is it exactly but it is frustrating when we cripple a players natural instincts.

He got forwards but seemed to stop when on line with the outer edge of the goalies area. I was screaming at him to keep going. Only did a couple of times.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:34 pm

Steddyman wrote:I think this is it exactly but it is frustrating when we cripple a players natural instincts.

He got forwards but seemed to stop when on line with the outer edge of the goalies area. I was screaming at him to keep going. Only did a couple of times.

Surely Dyche must remember that Kieran Trippier didn't pick up 14 assists from fullback by being nullified in the attacking sense. Counter-productive, especially when we're 1-0 down.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:41 pm

What's the point in Taylor going forward when he has nobody to cross too...........notice how many times he got forward and put crosses in when we played two up front from 60 mins onwards. I keep saying it, Dyche doesn't set us up to win games

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:43 pm

It’s amazing our manager got us to 7th set up not to win games

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:46 pm

I don’t think he put one decent cross in today personally. They were either blocked as he went down blind alleys or floated comfortably into the keeper to catch.
The jury is also out for me on his first touch - nowhere near as assured as Ward and he seems to be often on the stretch after his first touch.

He never gave up trying today though and he’s only young and inexperienced at this level....plus part of our crosses looking poor could be down to a lack of players in the box

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:49 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:It’s amazing our manager got us to 7th set up not to win games

How many times did Dyche say small margins last season ?

How long are you planning on living in the past for ?

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:08 am

Really? This thread is far from true. Of all the players you could of accused, Taylor seems to consistently move the ball to the front.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:27 am

Also didn't do terribly in defence either. Threw himself in front of a few shots, including just before the 2nd goal.

Thought he did okay all round, nothing special, but not terrible either.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:59 am

Hibsclaret wrote:It’s amazing our manager got us to 7th set up not to win games

The whole finishing 7th was a tad misleading from the truth last season if were honest, sick of hearing it as an excuse for this seasons poor start now

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:27 am

Vegas Claret wrote:How many times did Dyche say small margins last season ?

How long are you planning on living in the past for ?

This from the shankley esque views of someone who blames the attack for our recent woes....

Better to live in the past than have total confusion of the present

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:28 am

bumba wrote:The whole finishing 7th was a tad misleading from the truth last season if were honest, sick of hearing it as an excuse for this seasons poor start now

Bs

Ward is part of our best defence which has been proven over 3 seasons

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:58 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Bs

Ward is part of our best defence which has been proven over 3 seasons

Wards legs started going towards the back end of last season and they haven't recovered.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:15 am

Even Beckham with his pin point precision would struggle to pick one Burnley player out with 3 defenders marking him and a world class goalie who is happy to come and catch anywhere.
We need to spend the next two weeks getting people confident in attacking areas, so they want the ball and know they will have options when they get to the box.

Taylors doing just fine.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:49 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Bs

Ward is part of our best defence which has been proven over 3 seasons

Let's keep playing him until he's 40 then because of what he did over those three seasons.

Footballers get older, slower and there legs start to go so need replacing.

Unsure why you brought that up withme though when i was making a point about finishing 7th

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:25 pm

Not sure where people get the idea that Ward’s ‘legs have gone’, whatever that actually means. It’s just another lazy phrase without much substance, like ‘panic buy’. Ward’s had a couple of poor games, like most of the squad, but he still remains one of our most important players in both attack and defence. Taylor is still a little way behind in my opinion but he’s shown some positive signs.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:34 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:It’s amazing our manager got us to 7th set up not to win games

I didn’t know we were currently 7th?

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:38 pm

Taylor and McNeil seemed to get into space to cross a number of times but with Wood stood with 3/4 United players, decided against crossing - is that Taylor’s fault

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:57 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Not sure where people get the idea that Ward’s ‘legs have gone’, whatever that actually means. It’s just another lazy phrase without much substance, like ‘panic buy’. Ward’s had a couple of poor games, like most of the squad, but he still remains one of our most important players in both attack and defence. Taylor is still a little way behind in my opinion but he’s shown some positive signs.

He hasn't just had a couple of bad games though. He was fading towards the back end of last season and started this season the same.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:20 pm

bfccrazy wrote:I didn’t know we were currently 7th?

We’ve played 4 games. Let’s all check the table after a dozen games to get some perspective

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:21 pm

Murger wrote:He hasn't just had a couple of bad games though. He was fading towards the back end of last season and started this season the same.

Really. Get a seat facing the pitch

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:14 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:This from the shankley esque views of someone who blames the attack for our recent woes....

Better to live in the past than have total confusion of the present

what ?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:16 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:what ?

Wouldn’t expect you to understand given you think our attack is the problem...

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:20 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Wouldn’t expect you to understand given you think our attack is the problem...

Our attack isn't the problem, Dyche's tactics are so what's your point ?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:30 pm

So you have no problem with the attack (although you did on another thread) or the defence. You have a problem with the tactics of our best manager arguably since Harry Potts.

You do understand he took us into Europe for the first time in 50 years with his tactics?
You understand that he has had to switch his team more regularly than ever before as all teams in Europe do?
You understand he may be learning at a new level himself?

Yet you question his tactics after 4 league games when we nearly knocked Olympiacos out of Europe last week.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:34 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Really. Get a seat facing the pitch

I have. Maybe you should invest in some better specs.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:35 pm

Murger wrote:I have. Maybe you should invest in some better specs.

50 caps this week suggest otherwise

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:37 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:50 caps this week suggest otherwise

What's that got to do with anything? Walters has also been called up and he hasn't even played.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:38 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:So you have no problem with the attack (although you did on another thread) or the defence. You have a problem with the tactics of our best manager arguably since Harry Potts.

You do understand he took us into Europe for the first time in 50 years with his tactics?
You understand that he has had to switch his team more regularly than ever before as all teams in Europe do?
You understand he may be learning at a new level himself?

Yet you question his tactics after 4 league games when we nearly knocked Olympiacos out of Europe last week.

No mate, I along with others have been questioning his tactics for a long time. 5 wins in 32. How did we nearly knock out Olympiacos in midweek with what was probably our best performance since April (Leicester at home)...........we played 4-4-2. Yet he reverts back to the 4-5-1 rubbish against Man Utd who always play Smalling, Matic and Felliani against us. I understand we have longterm injuries which makes the transfer window even more ridiculous. If he was learning he wouldn't have played 4-5-1 for the last 30+ games.

Why is it you think I or others don't have a right to question the tactics ? I have no problem with you backing his tactics at all but I'd like you to explain why you think they are working when the numbers prove they aren't and haven't been since April. (use the quote function so I know you've replied)

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:42 pm

If he gets his 50th cap this week it suggests he is the best Irish left back and has been for some years.

He is also Burnley’s best left back.

Dyche knows this too given the number of games he has played whilst other options are available. I understand why he has played Taylor recently and he was perfect for a game against Olympiacos, for example, where we needed a few goals.

Man U is a different challenge and now we are out of Europe the sooner we get back to a settled back 4 namely Lowton, Tarky, Mee and Ward the better

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:No mate, I along with others have been questioning his tactics for a long time. 5 wins in 32. How did we nearly knock out Olympiacos in midweek with what was probably our best performance since April (Leicester at home)...........we played 4-4-2. Yet he reverts back to the 4-5-1 rubbish against Man Utd who always play Smalling, Matic and Felliani against us. I understand we have longterm injuries which makes the transfer window even more ridiculous. If he was learning he wouldn't have played 4-5-1 for the last 30+ games.

Why is it you think I or others don't have a right to question the tactics ? I have no problem with you backing his tactics at all but I'd like you to explain why you think they are working when the numbers prove they aren't and haven't been since April. (use the quote function so I know you've replied)

You have every right to question his tactics. The issue is you don’t know what you are talking about

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:44 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:If he gets his 50th cap this week it suggests he is the best Irish left back and has been for some years.

He is also Burnley’s best left back.

Dyche knows this too given the number of games he has played whilst other options are available. I understand why he has played Taylor recently and he was perfect for a game against Olympiacos, for example, where we needed a few goals.

Man U is a different challenge and now we are out of Europe the sooner we get back to a settled back 4 namely Lowton, Tarky, Mee and Ward the better

If he thinks Ward is the clubs best left back, why didn't he play him yesterday after seemingly resting him on Thursday?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:46 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:You have every right to question his tactics. The issue is you don’t know what you are talking about

So I ask you to tell me why you are backing his tactics and you can't and instead tell me I don't know what I'm talking about - nice one Hibs

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:46 pm

Murger wrote:If he thinks Ward is the clubs best left back, why didn't he play him yesterday after seemingly resting him on Thursday?

No idea. I think he should have played as should Lowton.

He may have been giving them a kick up the backside after Fulham

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:47 pm

He looks a lot more bulky than when he first arrived.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:47 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:So I ask you to tell me why you are backing his tactics and you can't and instead tell me I don't know what I'm talking about - nice one Hibs

I back all his tactics and decisions because he is the best manager we have had in my lifetime. Quite simple really and it deserves trust after what we have achieved under him

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:47 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:No idea. I think he should have played as should Lowton.

He may have been giving them a kick up the backside after Fulham

Clutching I'm afraid. What we're seeing is a passing of the guard.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:51 pm

Murger wrote:Clutching I'm afraid. What we're seeing is a passing of the guard.

Clutching? What are u talking about?

How is not knowing what has gone on since Fulham clutching at straws?

I have an opinion on what our best back 4 is. The opinion is shared by many posters on here but none of us knows what goes on in the dressing room.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:51 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:I back all his tactics and decisions because he is the best manager we have had in my lifetime. Quite simple really and it deserves trust after what we have achieved under him

So let's say you have a favourite restaurant, it has the best chef they've ever had and in the last few years has served up some brilliant food and rightly received critical acclaim. However, ever since his moment of success he's been putting out substandard food despite the fact you and others know what he is capable of - you wouldn't question it ?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:54 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:So let's say you have a favourite restaurant, it has the best chef they've ever had and in the last few years has served up some brilliant food and rightly received critical acclaim. However, ever since his moment of success he's been putting out substandard food despite the fact you and others know what he is capable of - you wouldn't question it ?

Good analogy. That’s not what’s happened though.

The food at Southampton was great (after an hour we felt full and couldn’t eat any more)
The first half food against Watford was even better (we accidentally added too much salt at halftime and had to leave the meal)
The first half food away at Olympiacos was great (the waiter removed the plate at half time)
The food at home to Olympiacos was great.
The food at Fulham was poor (it was over cooked and inedible)
The food yesterday had the wrong ingredients (someone added chilli powder instead of Paprika by mistake and we couldn’t eat it)