Bardsley

WazzaClaret · Post by **WazzaClaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:36 pm

The yellow he received was for aggressive behaviour after the incident so because the kick out was missed he will probably get a ban. Finally gets another chance and has ruined it for himself. Stupid really but at least we have lowts, hopefully the int break will do him good.

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:49 pm

Hes our best right back for me

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:53 pm

At least he got close enough to be aggressive.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:53 pm

Bardsley was one of our best players. Lawton has been poor this season. Bardsley deserved his spot today

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:55 pm

He's been very good the last 2 games at the same time as Lowts has hit a dip. He deserves his place. That's why we have a squad.
There's no reason to say Moss missed anything, he was that bad he could have seen it and dismissed it.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:57 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:He's been very good the last 2 games at the same time as Lowts has hit a dip. He deserves his place. That's why we have a squad.
There's no reason to say Moss missed anything, he was that bad he could have seen it and dismissed it.

People must be watching a different game to me if they prefer Bardsley to Lowton.

Lowton is miles better

TomtheClaret · Post by **TomtheClaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:59 pm

Man Utd fan on Facebook claims Bardsley said something "naughty " to rashford. Hope this not another witch hunt.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:00 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:People must be watching a different game to me if they prefer Bardsley to Lowton.

Lowton is miles better

You must definitely been watching a different game if you thought Lowts was better today

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:00 pm

Completely disagree. I thought he was awful today.
How many times did he just hit the ball out of play trying to find Lennon (who was hiding most of the time).

Bardsley had loads of opportunities to put in a decent cross and finally managed one good cross in injury time.

Lowton is a miles better player going forward - we are not seeing the best of him this season because Lennon has been so poor.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:01 pm

He’s an accident waiting to happen. Overly aggressive which I do like but sometimes he crosses the line. He’ll never change and I suppose his “dark arts” today nearly dragged us back into the game.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:05 pm

Not saying outright replacement needed yet, but I'd keep an eye on the right back spot this year - Lowton is 29 and Bardsley is 33 and out of contract in summer. Think we need a Taylor-esque signing to be back up to Lowton (ie: young)

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:07 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: There's no reason to say Moss missed anything, he was that bad he could have seen it and dismissed it.

Interesting seeing marks awarded to him re; fitness. When the game was a stroll in the park in the first half even he found it comfortable but once it got a little stretched after the sending off he was looking like an old man, puffing and panting trying to keep up. Pogba should have got a yellow for deliberate hand ball near the end but he was too exhausted to reach for the card before the game got underway again. Reminded me of Keith Hackett, but with a sweat on.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:14 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:People must be watching a different game to me if they prefer Bardsley to Lowton.

Lowton is miles better

It's not just about being better it is about form too and Lowton isn't in form

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:16 pm

He was average today and no more. As posted above, a lot of mindless punts down the line for goal kicks. A couple of rash challenges. Much prefer Lowton

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:19 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:Hes our best right back for me

Is your seat facing the pitch?

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:19 pm

TVC15 wrote:Completely disagree. I thought he was awful today.
How many times did he just hit the ball out of play trying to find Lennon (who was hiding most of the time).

Bardsley had loads of opportunities to put in a decent cross and finally managed one good cross in injury time.

Lowton is a miles better player going forward - we are not seeing the best of him this season because Lennon has been so poor.

Couldn't agree more.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:42 pm

Lowton miles better. Bardsley too limited going forward.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:44 pm

whiffa wrote:Couldn't agree more.

Where was Lennon hiding??

sorry that's addressed to TVC 15

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:46 pm

Upgrade required if were still in prem next season, someone who can attack and defend, thought we missed Lowtons deliveries today from the right as Bardsley and Lennon offer nothing, no crosses or chances created.....

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:50 pm

Too many unnecessary free kicks

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:55 pm

tim_noone wrote:Where was Lennon hiding?? sorry that's addressed to TVC 15

I thought he was an out and out right winger who liked to take on his full back before getting a cross in. He's not anymore.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:07 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:I thought he was an out and out right winger who liked to take on his full back before getting a cross in. He's not anymore.

“Hiding” as in his first touch is usually backwards.
He has now passed on a great chance to shoot in 2 consecutive games....that’s hiding for me and being scared to shoot. He was in virtually the same position as he was v City last year at when he put his laces through it and Ederson saved brilliantly.

He is also hiding in not putting crosses in. He had numerous chances to put the ball in and most of the time passed it back to Bardsley - who cannot cross the ball so gives it back to Lennon or goes even further back to Tarks or Westwood.

And when he does decide to run at his full back he does the same trick every time - why not go inside if you are having no joy on the outside ?

He’s lost his confidence and hiding to me is passing on responsibility to other players when you are in a better position. Our forwards need an early delivery if they are making runs into the box.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:14 pm

100% tackle success rate
5 clearances
1 interception
80% pass rate

Bardsley stats today.

I do sometimes wonder if people actually watch the match or preempt their opinion.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:26 pm

Watching motd he was very lucky to stay on the pitch.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:32 pm

bfccrazy wrote:100% tackle success rate
5 clearances
1 interception
80% pass rate

Bardsley stats today.

I do sometimes wonder if people actually watch the match or preempt their opinion.

Damn lies and statistics.

May be different if the pass is longer, forward and/or into the box....

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:38 pm

bfccrazy wrote:100% tackle success rate
5 clearances
1 interception
80% pass rate

Bardsley stats today.

I do sometimes wonder if people actually watch the match or preempt their opinion.

It’s far easier to watch the game and form an opinion than check statistics afterwards and then form an opinion.

Do the stats tell you how he failed to put one decent cross in until injury time despite Lennon playing it back to him on several occasions (passing the buck) ? If Bardsley then passes it back to Lennon or back to Tarks or Westwood with a 5 yard pass instead of crossing it that’s not a good thing for the team but looks ok on your stats.

In this 80% pass rate how many of those passes opened up the defence for example ? He did not play one incisive pass to Lennon or a ball over the top down the channel for Wood or Jeff to run onto.
Stats just tell you what you have done - not what you have not done or in Bardsleys case can’t do.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:40 pm

TVC15 wrote:It’s far easier to watch the game and form an opinion than check statistics afterwards and then form an opinion.

Do the stats tell you how he failed to put one decent cross in until injury time despite Lennon playing it back to him on several occasions (passing the buck) ? If Bardsley then passes it back to Lennon or back to Tarks or Westwood with a 5 yard pass instead of crossing it that’s not a good thing for the team but looks ok on your stats.

In this 80% pass rate how many of those passes opened up the defence for example ? He did not play one incisive pass to Lennon or a ball over the top down the channel for Wood or Jeff to run onto.
Stats just tell you what you have done - not what you have not done or in Bardsleys case can’t do.

Thanks for expanding on where I was going

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:43 pm

Lowton can put in a absolutely wicked curling deep cross.

Thats not in Bardsleys locker I'm afraid.

A game like today where we needed every weapon we have in our (limited!) armoury it does seem very strange that Lowton didn't start, or even come on when United where on the back foot with ten men.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:43 pm

bfccrazy wrote:100% tackle success rate
5 clearances
1 interception
80% pass rate

Bardsley stats today.

I do sometimes wonder if people actually watch the match or preempt their opinion.

Watching the game I thought Bardsley was mediocre today but now i've discovered he made 5 clearances and one interception I'm not sure what I was thinking.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:46 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Lowton can put in a absolutely wicked curling deep cross.

Thats not in Bardsleys locker I'm afraid.

A game like today where we needed every weapon we have in our (limited!) armoury it does seem very strange that Lowton didn't start, or even come on when United where on the back foot with ten men.

Very strange I agree particularly as he was carted out for the pre game interviews...

Don’t get me started on why Wardy was left out....

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:02 am

TVC15 wrote:It’s far easier to watch the game and form an opinion than check statistics afterwards and then form an opinion.

Do the stats tell you how he failed to put one decent cross in until injury time despite Lennon playing it back to him on several occasions (passing the buck) ? If Bardsley then passes it back to Lennon or back to Tarks or Westwood with a 5 yard pass instead of crossing it that’s not a good thing for the team but looks ok on your stats.

In this 80% pass rate how many of those passes opened up the defence for example ? He did not play one incisive pass to Lennon or a ball over the top down the channel for Wood or Jeff to run onto.
Stats just tell you what you have done - not what you have not done or in Bardsleys case can’t do.

There was me thinking a defenders job (especially in our framework) was not to supply endless inch perfect balls into our front men.

I can remember him waiting on a few occasions to release Lennon down the wing when Lennon was standing around in CM watching him. In that situation a backwards/sideways pass is better under pressure from Sanchez etc.. than just playing the pass into nowhere and then letting us just berate Lennon for not showing for it or being on the wing (his position).

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:07 am

mickleoverclaret wrote:Watching the game I thought Bardsley was mediocre today but now i've discovered he made 5 clearances and one interception I'm not sure what I was thinking.

What would you a defender have to do for you to appreciate him than make clearances, interceptions and tackles?

Saying he didn’t push on enough is silly too - he got us a free kick when trying to create a chance between their box and ye corner flag 1st half .....

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:11 am

bfccrazy wrote:There was me thinking a defenders job (especially in our framework) was not to supply endless inch perfect balls into our front men.

That's exactly the fullbacks' job in our framework. The wingers play narrow and come inside to give the fullbacks space to overlap and put the crosses in.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:12 am

bfccrazy wrote:What would you a defender have to do for you to appreciate him than make clearances, interceptions and tackles?

Saying he didn’t push on enough is silly too - he got us a free kick when trying to create a chance between their box and ye corner flag 1st half .....

I'll admit, I don't know what the average number of clearances and interceptions anyone should expect from a right back is, but are 5 clearances and one interception really an indication of a defender having a good game?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:29 am

5 clearances - did any of them actually stay on the pitch ? Few ending up in the stand - and not deliberately.

If you are so into your statistics do it properly if you really want to back up your argument that he had a good game.

How many fouls did he give away ? Very relevant when we are playing the tallest team in the league.

How many times did he fail to cut out a cross ? (Or how many crosses did he block ?). Valencia and Shaw blocked loads from Taylor and Lennon.

How many headers did he win / lose ?

Etc etc

Oh and he should have been sent off. His follow up kick on Rashford was stupid and then he put his head into Rashford in retaliation.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:39 am

He was at fault for the 1st too. Didn't close his man down and actually turned his back as opposed to making himself big and trying to prevent the cross!

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:40 am

Got Rashford sent off and one cross hit Vokes head, I think that was his entire contribution, anyhow expected nowt off Utd and wasnt disappointed, onwards and upwards....

thelaughingclaret · Post by **thelaughingclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:22 am

Lowton has been off form recently but so have all of the other usual back 4. Think back over the last couple of season and if you still seriously think Bardsley is better then Lowts you are deluded. Ben Mee is off form at the moment, does then mean Kevin Long is a better defender then Mee? Does it hell.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:53 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:He was at fault for the 1st too. Didn't close his man down and actually turned his back as opposed to making himself big and trying to prevent the cross!

Lowton would of let the cross come in too, fault of the first lies more with Mee an Hart. The second could also be blamed on Mee because he was way behind the defence an too slow to get out

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:22 am

He always plays to his best ability.Good tackler and 100% committed.Cork Lennon and Westwood offered little as we tried to play out from the back.Often awol as Phil was looking for support going forward.
Those that hid yesterday need a hard look im the mirror.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:33 am

Matt Lowton was outstanding last season.

He’s had a tough start this time round, but after the international break I expect us to go back to him and Ward starting.

We really need something from our next 3 games.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:36 am

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Handbags 2 yellows or 2 reds....Bardsley just as bad.

HieronymousBoschHobs · Post by **HieronymousBoschHobs** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:26 am

A renowned thug. Get rid.