ARTICLE: It’s been a tough period for my players

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:48 pm

Jose Mourinho & Sean Dyche on today's game

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bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:18 pm

ARTICLE: It’s been a tough period for my players

Are we discussing female football ?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:20 pm

bfcjg wrote:ARTICLE: It’s been a tough period for my players

Are we discussing female football ?

Yes. Arsenal were playing at home.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:22 pm

The club is at 10 games already but the majority of the players certainly arent. No excuse

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:24 pm

bumba wrote:The club is at 10 games already but the majority of the players certainly arent. No excuse

Form is 4 games. It's still crap... but it's not what you're suggesting.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:41 am

Time to Reboot as he says on the BFC website.
What does he mean, change tactics and formations ?
Rest and then go again as before ? We will probably only have the same players available so how do we reboot ?

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:44 am

I read this as take a rest then come back with a fresh vigor in our attempt to smash a square peg into a round hole.

There is no plan B because we didn’t get the players in that would offer an alternative

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:59 am

It means have a break which we probably need and then come back with the same system of Hendrick as a '10' and an off form Wood isolated on his own and hoping it works. It will of course give us time to work on slowing down Lennon even more and reducing the crossing ability from the full backs.

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:04 am

MRG wrote:I read this as take a rest then come back with a fresh vigor in our attempt to smash a square peg into a round hole.

There is no plan B because we didn’t get the players in that would offer an alternative

and trusty mrg adds a negative twist to ANOTHER thread
why not just ---- off and support rovers.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:25 am

Reboot - as in take a break and fix everything that has been going wrong.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:26 am

Hopefully he means having a break; getting Vydra two weeks fitter and pushing for a start which could mean a change in the starting line up.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:48 am

Hopefully it means playing our best available team

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:07 am

I hope they have one of those team ‘chats’ you know like the one they had around Christmas time of the Championship Title-winning season that led us to going 23 undefeated

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:12 am

We reset. We go again. Forget everything this season and start fresh. A new way of thinking. Probably be a way of thinking that 451 works.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:14 am

Whatever it is, he deserves a hell of a lot more time and credit that some on here are giving him.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:14 am

The good news is we don't play Man Utd every week. It gave me nightmares last night. Think it needs rebooting and remodelling to a degree as we are becoming increasingly predictable and have been found out.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:30 am

We are only 4 games in, it's far from perfect and he will know that. Very poor selection from SD to start the game, he needed someone up front to bully Lindelof. Not 100% sure about Wood at the moment, better coming off the bench.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:58 am

Can I suggest we start mixing our games up by perhaps having a few more shots from outside the box rather than the safer option of trying to move it outside to prepare the cross. As teams are now defending their box on masse we are seeing more goals being scored from other teams from outside the penalty box.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:03 am

From Cambridge Dictionary.
"Reboot: To start something again or do something again, in a way that is new and interesting"
I can't wait for the next game.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:15 am

My PC takes about 15 minutes to reboot, so I hope we have a higher spec.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:23 am

Let’s hope we don’t restart in safe mode.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:24 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Hopefully it means playing our best available team

What are the chances, given the break, of getting JBG, Brady and Defour fit, not to mention Vydra's match fitness. In fact Vydra perhaps should have started yesterday given his goal from a short run on Thursday. Hopefully when we have everyone fit the tinkering can stop and we can get back to 'normal'. I think the messing about during the Europe games has had an effect on the defence. Should have stayed with the tried and tested all the way through instead of trying to behave like Chelsea with a squad of 20-odd quality players.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:26 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Whatever it is, he deserves a hell of a lot more time and credit that some on here are giving him.

He probably does and no doubt will get even from the board but he does come across as one stubborn bugger.

Admit it does not work and bloody change it and also sign other players rather than british based and are lovely lads.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:29 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:He probably does and no doubt will get even from the board but he does come across as one stubborn bugger.

Admit it does not work and bloody change it and also sign other players rather than british based and are lovely lads.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:31 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:He probably does and no doubt will get even from the board but he does come across as one stubborn bugger.

Admit it does not work and bloody change it and also sign other players rather than british based and are lovely lads.

I don’t know if I’d describe it as stubborn. Dyche has had incredible success with tried and tested processes and systems. I agree that he could be more expansive with his ideas but he would be foolish to abandon his principles after a few bad results. Fortunately Dyche doesn’t have knee jerk reactions like some of our fans.

Pepperclaret · Post by **Pepperclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:37 am

houseboy wrote:What are the chances, given the break, of getting JBG, Brady and Defour fit, not to mention Vydra's match fitness. In fact Vydra perhaps should have started yesterday given his goal from a short run on Thursday. Hopefully when we have everyone fit the tinkering can stop and we can get back to 'normal'. I think the messing about during the Europe games has had an effect on the defence. Should have stayed with the tried and tested all the way through instead of trying to behave like Chelsea with a squad of 20-odd quality players.

All of you are are off the mark. It's all about getting Marcus Rashford to call in at Phil Bardsley's mansion for a 'gentle' garden re-match

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:44 am

Rileybobs wrote:I don’t know if I’d describe it as stubborn. Dyche has had incredible success with tried and tested processes and systems. I agree that he could be more expansive with his ideas but he would be foolish to abandon his principles after a few bad results. Fortunately Dyche doesn’t have knee jerk reactions like some of our fans.

So at what time to we panic ?

Bloke is a millionaire so he will not be bothered about being out of work.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:47 am

Reboot it up to the big man

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:48 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:So at what time to we panic ?

Bloke is a millionaire so he will not be bothered about being out of work.

I’m not sure about you but I have too many other important things in my life to panic about losing a few football games. But if you’re that way inclined I’d suggest waiting more than 4 games into the season before doing so. I think Dyche has earned enough respect to be given a hell of a lot more time to turn that round.

Do you honestly think that Dyche’s wealth means that he doesn’t care about the job he is doing at Burnley. That is utterly moronic and disrespectful.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:49 am

The reason I want Dyche to go is because if he is sacking off all the cups, even the European ones, he has taken us as far as he can, and we need a manager who can give us hope and dreams again (especially if playing in this pragmatic way all the time).

What I would never say is that he doesn’t have the ability to figure out how to get us winning again in the PL.

I would like him to have played 442 more in the last 8 months when Defour was out, especially on Sunday, but I would trust his instincts on it. If he wants to reboot, whatever that entails, fine.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:50 am

You as mental on this cup thing as you are on Brexit.

Which is saying something.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:52 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Whatever it is, he deserves a hell of a lot more time and credit that some on here are giving him.

In general Dyche has had the easiest ride a Burnley manager has ever had. A few mutterings here and there but nothing major.

He controls the club, so all success and failure should be pointed towards him. He built a great team full of unity that worked their socks off for each other with a bit of quality to see us through. Bringing lots of success in the league.

This team is woefully out of form at the minute so no matter what system we play won't fix it, as somebody will make a big mistake to gift goals away. He needs to sort it though and developing sides is hard. That's why mangers generally only last a year or two.

The goalkeepers are adequate at the moment just not as inform as the last couple of years.

The Centre half pairing don't seem to be playing as a unit at all. Far too much space between them and some positions they take up are mind boggling. Maybe they have fell out badly and don't speak like was said on here.

The 3 central midfielders do their jobs alright keeping possession, but none specialise in defending or attacking. They want somebody else to make it happen and to play all 3 in the same team is criminal. Defour could change that but not getting a real attacking midfielder in is poor by Dyche. (Presuming Vydra carries on just looking like a CF)

Lennon does the job Dyche asks tracking back but offers little going forward unless we get numbers forward for one two's. McNeil has been a breath of fresh air as his first thought is to attack, but only having Wood to aim for doesn't do him any favours.

The strikers do their best but always get isolated and rotating them is the only thing you can do.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:56 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:Best post and spot on play your 1st eleven and take it from there.

did you forget to log out and back in with your other account?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:58 am

Imagine if a `nay sayer` on here had said "time to reboot"? He or she would have been accused of negativity.

Wolves away is it next? Let`s try this...

Hart
Lowton Tarkowski Mee Taylor
Hendrick Cork Westwood
Vydra
Wood Barnes

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:07 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:The good news is we don't play Man Utd every week. It gave me nightmares last night. Think it needs rebooting and remodelling to a degree as we are becoming increasingly predictable and have been found out.

That kfully we don't play Man U every week. Or Watford or Fulham.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:20 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:The reason I want Dyche to go is because if he is sacking off all the cups, even the European ones.

What? We nearly beat Olympiakos. Did Sean Dyche instruct the players to make the goalkeeper save their shots or ask them to hit the bar?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:47 pm

Re-boot as in play with football boots now instead of the walking boots we have been wearing.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:49 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:We nearly beat Olympiakos.

We got beat 3-1 and scored a last gasp goal to avoid a 1-0 defeat. We were along way off beating them.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:11 pm

There's a real danger that some of this criticism ends up translating into "Dyche has only signed midfielders and wingers consistent with Burnley's budget, not better. I wanted better, to compete with the top 10 clubs. Dyche hasn't brought in better, so he's not doing something". Which is logically impossible to defend as a position.

This squad ought to finish somewhere between 12 and 16th. Last season isn't a benchmark for anything - it pushed the limits of what is realistic for us. We've had a poor start, but there's no reason to believe we won't finish within the 12 - 16 range in the end: we're only 4 games in. Both against Watford and Southampton we should have led at half time, and had we done so, we'd almost certainly have more points on the board now and this conversation would be very different.

Yes, the transfer window was a bit disappointing and we left ourselves a bit short. But given the time Dyche generally takes to integrate new players, there's every chance that had we signed another creative player, the only way he'd have got a game so far is in place of McNeil - who we're all raving about - as a result of JBG's injury.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:21 pm

The article image says, "I beat you" - Sean Dyche is smiling with, "You only beat me because of a billion pounds worth of talent".

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:41 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Best post and spot on play your 1st eleven and take it from there.

Did you forget to change profile or quite the wrong post?

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:08 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:Imagine if a `nay sayer` on here had said "time to reboot"? He or she would have been accused of negativity.

Wolves away is it next? Let`s try this...

Hart
Lowton Tarkowski Mee Taylor
Hendrick Cork Westwood
Vydra
Wood Barnes

How about.

..................Heaton
Lowton ....Tarks.... Mee ........Ward
.....Hendrick ...Cork.... McNeill
.........Vydra .........Barnes
.................Vokes

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:04 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Did you forget to change profile or quite the wrong post?

Looks like it quoted my own for some reson

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:20 pm

I have to say that I really don't want to hear comments like "it's been a hard time...."
A hard time for a bunch of multi-millionaires who wouldn't know a hard time if they saw one. It's just a few games of football, not mortal combat.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:20 pm

It’s been a tough time for time for the fans aswell having to watch ineffective dycheball max.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:55 pm

It certainly has been a tough time for the fans and the players. All this chopping and changing the team can't have helped and the level of injuries both long and short term have also not helped.

But I do feel sorry for SD as he clearly wanted to strengthen the team but for whatever reason was unable to do so. Even Jesus Christ needed 5 loaves and 2 fishes to work a miracle but it appears that SD will have to make do without even those.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:05 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You as mental on this cup thing as you are on Brexit.

Which is saying something.

Hi Lancaster

Do you ever manage to disagree with somebody without declaring them "mental" or "unhinged" or somehow crazy?

Asking for a non-unhinged friend.

Rowls

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:11 pm

I would prefer it if SD wouldn't keep pointing out how much money everyone else has to play with. I don't think the fans needed telling and certainly don't need constantly reminding. We know what league we're in and don't expect to win every game. However we do expect to not be off the pace and accepting our team under performing. Neither do I buy into the lads needing a rest in September. Had he come out out and said "They were ready for us and I got it wrong today" people would be more inclined to accept it than the constant "What do you expect" approach.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:24 pm

elwaclaret wrote:I would prefer it if SD wouldn't keep pointing out how much money everyone else has to play with. I don't think the fans needed telling and certainly don't need constantly reminding. We know what league we're in and don't expect to win every game. However we do expect to not be off the pace and accepting our team under performing. Neither do I buy into the lads needing a rest in September. Had he come out out and said "They were ready for us and I got it wrong today" people would be more inclined to accept it than the constant "What do you expect" approach.

This is the man who said his players were used to two games a week because they'd had that in the championship.
I think he's getting soft.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:07 pm

boatshed bill wrote:This is the man who said his players were used to two games a week because they'd had that in the championship.
I think he's getting soft.

I never really bought into the "two games in the Championship" argument.

Playing in the Premier League requires the players to perform at a much higher level mentally and physically. So drawing a direct comparison between two game a week in both leagues is a bit of a leap. In our case we were playing one game in the Premier and one game in a high level European cup competition that involved a lot of unknown factors and new demands.

It should also be said that while a lot of our players have endured the hardship of two Championship games a week they haven't had to do it for quite a few years. Just like fitness has to be developed to meet current demands so does mental preparation. Making the switch back to playing two games a week isn't a simple matter just because players have done it in the past. It's one of the reason that some relegated teams struggle when they drop down.

I think all the negativity towards Sean is very misplaced and disrespectful. I think we could have done better against Man Utd and built upon our last performance against Olympiakos. They are still a top quality side despite their recent hiccups. It's not like we just lost 2-0 to the Nags Head second eleven pub team. Even with their off form defence, which we should have pressured, snagging a win would have been an outside bet, but I thought we had a very good chance of nicking a draw if we played like we did on Thursday.

It's only an opinion, but I do think we need to consider adding another formational string to our bow during the break.

Having the players perform double duties to keep a solid defensive shape and restrict opportunities to difficult shots has worked very well for us, but that ethos doesn't have to be limited to a single formation. We could go with a 4-2-3-1 and have the two outer players of the forward three move out and back when we aren't in possession. At the moment we are asking the wingers to track back or cut in, which they seem to struggle doing at times. Crossing the ball to the isolated man up front isn't working very well, especially when he is being shut out of the game, but that wouldn't be a problem with three behind him pushing forward.

We could change the formation and preserve the ethos, providing that we don't do anything outlandish like playing a back five or three central defenders. As the central figure in a 4-2-3-1 Barnes could be a nuisance to unsettle defences, Vydra could make forward runs or Hendrick could arrive late into the box. We could play JBG on the right and barnes on the left. I think we have the players to pull off a wide range of tactical tweaks with a forward three instead of being restricted to the limited options that our available wingers currently provide. McNeil is proving to be something of a revelation though.

A forward three could also up our goal threat outside of set pieces. With JBG and Brady missing the effectiveness of our set piece plays is diminished and we are heavily reliant on them to score. Not having Barnes on the pitch also reduces the free kicks we are awarded.

Even if we don't actually use it with any notable frequency a new formation would be a good stand by to have in our war chest to offset the weakness of predictability.