Bardsley Ban?

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:23 am

Is it possible for Bardsley to be retroactively banned or not, given his booking?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:37 am

Depends what is in the referees report I guess.

He couldn't complain if he was sent off.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:17 am

If he were booked for the challenge on Radford after the ball went dead then he could still be given a red for his actions afterwards but if the yellow was for his reaction to Radford then he is in the clear.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:49 am

I would hope the referee has covered all bases in his awarding of a yellow, with the matter at an end.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:30 am

Whatever, Bardsley is a lucky boy and needs to wind it in, a slow learner.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:04 pm

CleggHall wrote:Whatever, Bardsley is a lucky boy and needs to wind it in, a slow learner.

Bardsley is just slow! Manure had one attack and he was trotting back from their penalty area whilst they were in our box! Last time I saw that was Mears vrs City.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:06 pm

If he got banned would that be a blessing in disguise? At least then Sean couldn't pick him.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:10 pm

No he can't. Referee saw the incident and cautioned him for his part in the incident. There is no way he can go back and say he never saw anything as that would ask the question so why did you caution?

Rest easy fellow clarets

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:15 pm

houseboy wrote:If he got banned would that be a blessing in disguise? At least then Sean couldn't pick him.

Pathetic - absolutely pathetic comment

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Pathetic - absolutely pathetic comment

No it isn't. It's my honest opinion dressed up in a little humour. I personally don't rate him very highly. That's all.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:33 pm

houseboy wrote:No it isn't. It's my honest opinion dressed up in a little humour. I personally don't rate him very highly. That's all.

Serious question.
Since Keith Newton, how many right backs have we had who have been better than Bardsley?
I can only really think of Trippier and Lowton, (who's out of form).
(We have had some decent right backs in that time but very few who have played at Premier League level)

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:34 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Serious question.
Since Keith Newton, how many right backs have we had who have been better than Bardsley?
I can only really think of Trippier and Lowton, (who's out of form).
(We have had some decent right backs in that time but very few who have played at Premier League level)

Baird
Mears

How is this relevant?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:41 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Serious question.
Since Keith Newton, how many right backs have we had who have been better than Bardsley?
I can only really think of Trippier and Lowton, (who's out of form).
(We have had some decent right backs in that time but very few who have played at Premier League level)

Totally agree with that and, as you rightly say, Lowton is currently out of form as is Ward on the other side.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:41 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Serious question.
Since Keith Newton, how many right backs have we had who have been better than Bardsley?
I can only really think of Trippier and Lowton, (who's out of form).
(We have had some decent right backs in that time but very few who have played at Premier League level)

Peter Noble

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Pathetic - absolutely pathetic comment

Have I missed something? Why’s it a pathetic comment to say that you prefer a different right back to Dyche?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:45 pm

Claretto wrote:Baird
Mears

How is this relevant?

Baird only played 7 games in a loan spell. He would have been one of our better fullbacks, but I'm not sure his PL record matches Bardsley's.
Mears will divide opinion I would imagine, but defensively he was not as strong as Bardsley.
It's relevant because the poster I was responding to was arguing how poor Bardsley is.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:51 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:Have I missed something? Why’s it a pathetic comment to say that you prefer a different right back to Dyche?

He didn't say that though in his original comment, did he?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:55 pm

dpinsussex wrote:No he can't. Referee saw the incident and cautioned him for his part in the incident. There is no way he can go back and say he never saw anything as that would ask the question so why did you caution?

Rest easy fellow clarets

From the reports I've read online he was booked for overly aggressive behaviour towards Rashford which did not include the kick out - IF those reports are correct then he could still be banned for the kick as that was before the aggressive behaviour when they both stood head to head.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:20 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:From the reports I've read online he was booked for overly aggressive behaviour towards Rashford which did not include the kick out - IF those reports are correct then he could still be banned for the kick as that was before the aggressive behaviour when they both stood head to head.

However, it has to be within a certain time scale. If he's not charged in next day or so that will be the end of the matter.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:23 pm

Spijed wrote:However, it has to be within a certain time scale. If he's not charged in next day or so that will be the end of the matter.

yeah agree, I was just stating that the reports I have read (right or wrong) were saying he could still be banned

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:34 pm

Problem with Bardsley is he is surrounded by a lot of nothingness at the moment, find it hard to believe anyone can have a go at him. Collectively we are absolute dross at the moment, some players need quality around them to flourish...we don't have that.

For the 1st time yesterday, I actually picked up on a lot of negativity over SD.... a lot saying he's clearly reached a point in his managerial career where he's not sure what to do next. Why would you not Go with 2 battering rams that are Barnes & Vokes to start the match, against a Manu back line that are shown to be brittle.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:43 pm

Bardsley is more than adequate as a full back but he's never going to 'bomb on' and fire crosses into the box especially when the speed merchant in front of him is incapable of doing it. We need a bit of fire and brimstone in the side as the majority of our players are a bit too 'goody two shoes' and gullible.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:48 pm

ewanrob wrote:Problem with Bardsley is he is surrounded by a lot of nothingness at the moment, find it hard to believe anyone can have a go at him. Collectively we are absolute dross at the moment, some players need quality around them to flourish...we don't have that.

For the 1st time yesterday, I actually picked up on a lot of negativity over SD.... a lot saying he's clearly reached a point in his managerial career where he's not sure what to do next. Why would you not Go with 2 battering rams that are Barnes & Vokes to start the match, against a Manu back line that are shown to be brittle.

It may be, in part, because Mourinho had already changed his backline - and brought in Fellaini - from the brittle one he'd played before...

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:04 pm

I get what you say, but he is fundamentally a midfielder who doesn't seem to be able to get a game... and is usually brought on a last resort up front. For pity's sake, why not bully them with the 2 best players we have that can do that.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:28 pm

JohnMac wrote:Bardsley is more than adequate as a full back but he's never going to 'bomb on' and fire crosses into the box especially when the speed merchant in front of him is incapable of doing it. We need a bit of fire and brimstone in the side as the majority of our players are a bit too 'goody two shoes' and gullible.

At half time yesterday we had committed one foul ---that was by Bardsley who himself had been upended twice by Sanchez --we were far too nice to them.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Pathetic - absolutely pathetic comment

I know, how dare he display a sense of humour.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:36 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:At half time yesterday we had committed one foul ---that was by Bardsley who himself had been upended twice by Sanchez --we were far too nice to them.

Aye get stuck in Ashington as in days of yore!
Bring back the Bedlington terrier, Colin Blant, Bomber Harris and Andy Lochhead I say.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:49 pm

CleggHall wrote:Aye get stuck in Ashington as in days of yore!
Bring back the Bedlington terrier, Colin Blant, Bomber Harris and Andy Lochhead I say.

Problem with that Clegg is that, in these modern times, we would be down to 7 men before we knew it. Players must not endanger their opponent, must not use excessive force (whatever that is), must not be careless, must not be reckless etc. ad nauseam because they can be cautioned or dismissed.
The game is losing its way, however, it is what the modern fan wants to see. He wants pretty passing etc., etc. but does not want to see a good, hard tackle because his hero may be injured.

KlyBfc · Post by **KlyBfc** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:50 pm

Lad by me yesterday spent the whole game berating Bardsley. He repeated a few times he was the worst player that had ever played for Burnley, I eventually got fed up and pointed out he can’t have watched us for very long if he’s the worst....
Equally baffling was his instance that it was Bardsleys fault that Luke Shaw was getting the ball unmarked stood on the touch line.... aye a right back should mark their left back and leave Sanchez all alone.

I know the game is about opinions but the need of fans to hammer our players and a portion blame to individuals (almost always the same names) when it’s clear we are struggling as collective baffles me.

taffy · Post by **taffy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:09 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Serious question.
Since Keith Newton, how many right backs have we had who have been better than Bardsley?
I can only really think of Trippier and Lowton, (who's out of form).
(We have had some decent right backs in that time but very few who have played at Premier League level)

Surely Lee Dixon and Brian laws must be on a par with tripper

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:32 pm

Bardsley was very lucky.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:37 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Bardsley was very lucky.

Nowhere near as lucky as Kenedy was when playing at Cardiff or Harry Arter in the same game.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:46 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Nowhere near as lucky as Kenedy was when playing at Cardiff or Harry Arter in the same game.

Didn't see those two, but Bardsley went right through Rashford in that challenge which led to the incident, and pushed his head towards Rashford's forehead.
Having said that I kind of liked him for it.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:46 pm

taffy wrote:Surely Lee Dixon and Brian laws must be on a par with tripper

Trippier is a far better Manager than Laws.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Didn't see those two, but Bardsley went right through Rashford in that challenge which led to the incident, and pushed his head towards Rashford's forehead.
Having said that I kind of liked him for it.

Just probably reminding Rashford what a proper tackle was like after he threw himself to the ground at the slightest touch from Lennon to get the penalty.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:57 pm

taffy wrote:Surely Lee Dixon and Brian laws must be on a par with tripper

Sorry. I'd forgotten about Brian Laws. He would indeed rank above Bardsley. So that's three that we've come up with.
I don't think you can count Lee Dixon, as he never really got established in the Burnley first XI. [4 appearances in 2 seasons before he was released].

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:07 pm

Whatever people think about Brian Laws as a manager, as a player he was a very good one, certainly good enough to play for Brian Clough at the highest level.

Taken from Wiki: Clough's first words to his new signing were "I've never seen you play, son, I'm going on the recommendation of Ronnie Fenton. So if you're crap, Ronnie signed you. If you're good, I signed you."

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:45 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Serious question.
Since Keith Newton, how many right backs have we had who have been better than Bardsley?
I can only really think of Trippier and Lowton, (who's out of form).
(We have had some decent right backs in that time but very few who have played at Premier League level)

You've kind of answered my question for me really. I'll agree that Bardsley has been good as a PL player and given that over the last 40 odd years we haven't been in the top flight it's always difficult to gauge. But in the here and now he always seems too slow and clumsy and he is not really a PL standard player now. Of course others may well disagree. I think an 'off-form' Lowton is still, better.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:51 am

Claretto wrote:Is it possible for Bardsley to be retroactively banned or not, given his booking?

I don’t think you should be banned for liking stuff from the 1970s

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:58 am

Bardsley reminded me of Ball against Dunn / Rovers (you know, the 'Claret Flash' that hurtled across the screen for those watching on TV).

Partly he was getting Rashford back for the soft penalty when his foot was slightly stood on. Partly he recognised we needed to shake something up to have a chance to get a draw, like Ball probably did. It was savviness and a little bit of brutality.

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:02 am

Keith Newton played left back for us, so no comparison with previous and current right backs.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:02 am

I don’t like Bardsley’s rashness, but sometimes when your team is being walked over without any resistance you need someone to stand up and put a boot in. Bardsley was lucky to stay on the pitch but his action gave us a numerical advantage and seemed to get the crowd fired up.

Marney used to do it and Mee often does, although bullying Lukaku is a difficult task. There didn’t seem like many leaders on the pitch on a Sunday.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:04 am

Chip Harrison wrote:Keith Newton played left back for us, so no comparison with previous and current right backs.

He played left and right back for Burnley.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:20 am

TVC15 wrote:He played left and right back for Burnley.

Yes. He played the majority of his career at right back, memorably for England in Mexico (1970), but he did play quite a number of games at left back for us, because he could.

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:57 am

Lee Dixon

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:17 pm

Best PAIR of full backs I saw playing for us was Angus and Elder.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:29 pm

Rammy1968 wrote:Lee Dixon

Already covered that - only made 4 1st team appearances for us over 2 years before being released and went to Chester City, so his record for us can't really be compared with the others.
It was 6 years after he joined Burnley before he finally found success at Arsenal, having been at Chester, Bury and Stoke en-route.

Godalmingclaret · Post by **Godalmingclaret** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:38 pm

Bardsley was lucky to stay on the pitch. But I don't mind a bit of aggression. Better than than being bullied like we were on other parts of the pitch.

Bardsley has his limitations but his number one priority is defence and he did OK. If everyone had played with a bit more aggression and intensity it helps break down opposition attacking plays and put a bit more pressure on their decision making.

At the end of the day Man U played well and got their tactics right.