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Re: Defour

Post by joey13 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:36 pm

dsr wrote:So if this thread is accurate, Defour is:

1. In Belgium;
2. At Turf Moor:
3. Permanently injured;
4. Refusing to play.

Obviously the above can't all be true. Do we have to pick which one we believe before slagging off the club, or can we just slag off the club without bothering to give a reason?
No we can slag off the Board for the shambolic window, obviously you won’t .

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Re: Defour

Post by Claretto » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:38 pm

deanothedino wrote:Why should they communicate it? It's none of our business.

When a colleague is off work ill do your bosses update the entire workforce week by week on when they may return?
It's a poor comparison.

We, the client, pay for the pleasure of watching these players play. So yes, it is our business. Just as if you were hiring a builder who didn't show up for a week due to illness you would want to know when they planned to return.
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Re: Defour

Post by joey13 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:39 pm

Has Defour ever played a full 90mins for us ?

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Re: Defour

Post by tim_noone » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:42 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Unfortunately not mate. Her brother was though, but I don't think that counts.

I'm deleting my account.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Defour

Post by Claretto » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:43 pm

joey13 wrote:Has Defour ever played a full 90mins for us ?
Yes. Several times.

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Re: Defour

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:49 pm

Very much seems like our answer to Liverpool and Sturridge
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Re: Defour

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:49 pm

He has played full 90 minutes in 13 matches, came off after 73 minutes or later in 14 matches and earlier in 13 matches for whatever reason, although I know that 3 of these were from injuries sustained duringthe matches.

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Re: Defour

Post by deanothedino » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:52 pm

houseboy wrote:Bad analogy mate. You get paid to go to work but you pay money to watch your team. The well being of a work colleague is private but the fitness or otherwise of a player who you pay, amongst others, to play for your team is a little more public. The main problem I have always had with the club I love is the damn secrecy in ALL things, even the usual 'undisclosed fee' for transfers. As far as our players go I get a little bored with 'touch and go', 'we'll have to wait and see' and the other classic 'he's back on grass' (does that mean that's what he's eating or that he has returned to his old drug taking ways?). Working for Burnley FC must be like working for MI5. Employees must have to sign a BFCSC form when they start (Burnley Football Club Secrecy Contract).
Come on Steven, Burnley FC needs you, get your boots on and get us climbing the league, you know it makes sense.
Okay, your favourite tea lady in your favourite cafe is ill. Do you expect updates on her return? You're a paying customer after all.
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Re: Defour

Post by Claretto » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:54 pm

deanothedino wrote:Okay, your favourite tea lady in your favourite cafe is ill. Do you expect updates on her return? You're a paying customer after all.
No because she is easily replaceable.

You would expect updates to the extent she was your favourite / irreplaceable.

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Re: Defour

Post by deanothedino » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:00 pm

Claretto wrote:No because she is easily replaceable.

You would expect updates to the extent she was your favourite / irreplaceable.
No, she's your favourite. She's totally irreplaceable. Nobody can carry your scones and tea like she can. You demand that they tell you when she will return.

You're sick of hearing she's touch and go, or she's back on the lino. You want to know when she's back, you're a paying customer after all!

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Re: Defour

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:01 pm

You don't pay the club for information, you pay to go and watch a game of football and nobody forces you to pay out to do that, it is your choice.
Other than that, the club are under no obligation to tell you anything except to publish their accounts eacn year which they have to do by law.
SD has said in numerous occasions that he does not put any pressure on injured players to return to playing because he trusts them to be the best judge. It is strange how many fans know when a player should be playing again, even though the player himself doesn't know.
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Re: Defour

Post by deanothedino » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:02 pm

Claretto wrote:It's a poor comparison.

We, the client, pay for the pleasure of watching these players play. So yes, it is our business. Just as if you were hiring a builder who didn't show up for a week due to illness you would want to know when they planned to return.
Yes, because you're paying your builder. You aren't paying Defour, the football club are. Your money isn't even paying Defour, Sky Sports and global TV rights are. Maybe Sky Sports should be banging on the door asking when Defour will be back in the team.

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Re: Defour

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:10 pm

I think the last SD said about Defour (around 2 weeks/10 days ago) was after saying Brady was "getting there" Defour was "further back". Be great if we could have him back in 6 weeks but utterly impossible to know whats going. to believe people on here he could be doing any of the following

1. Wenching in Antibes
2.Sat in a Brugge cafe eating waffles and while smoking gauloises and raising a sexy eyebrow at female passers by
3. Buying his usual "meatball marinara" in Subway while telling all and sundry "i'll be back soon" (for another sandwich?)
4.Leading the singing in the JHU while running errands,buying brews,sewing buttons on etc for Duffer
5. Working as a gondoilier in Venice
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Re: Defour

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:16 pm

Claretto wrote:It's a poor comparison.

We, the client, pay for the pleasure of watching these players play. So yes, it is our business. Just as if you were hiring a builder who didn't show up for a week due to illness you would want to know when they planned to return.

Defour’s health is nobody else’s business. If he or the club don’t want to make the details public then they are not obliged to. Releasing details of the injury could reduce the player’s value to the club and negatively effect the player’s future earnings.

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Re: Defour

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:16 pm

deanothedino wrote:Why should they communicate it? It's none of our business.

When a colleague is off work ill do your bosses update the entire workforce week by week on when they may return?
As we are supporters who spend money we are effectively investors in the club. So yes. They should let us know whats happening.

The constant shroud of mystery around certain things (ticket allocations, injuries, transfers) is IMO poor. Do we need to know everything about everything? No. But I dont understand the big secret around everything!

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Re: Defour

Post by deanothedino » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:18 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:As we are supporters who spend money we are effectively investors in the club. So yes. They should let us know whats happening.

The constant shroud of mystery around certain things (ticket allocations, injuries, transfers) is IMO poor. Do we need to know everything about everything? No. But I dont understand the big secret around everything!
No, we're not investors - we are customers.
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Re: Defour

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:26 pm

joey13 wrote:Has Defour ever played a full 90mins for us ?
He has played in 49 games in ALL competitions from a possible 93 in his time here. Thats not 90 minutes. Thats just featured.

Less than 1/3 of them he has finished 90 minutes. :cry:

The truth is we probably wouldn't have got him if he was fitter.
The reality is we are miles ahead of where we were when we signed him and should have another player of his caliber in by now.

Our lineup on his debut vs yesterday

Heaton, Lowton, Keane, Mee, Ward, Boyd, Marney, Defour, Arfield, Gray, Vokes
Hart, Bardsley, Tarkowski, Mee, Taylor, Lennon, Westwood, Cork, Hendrick, Wood

Have we improved significantly in that time? Debateable.

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Re: Defour

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:28 pm

deanothedino wrote:No, we're not investors - we are customers.
That explains why we are treat like customers and not fans so often then.

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Re: Defour

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:29 pm

deanothedino wrote:No, we're not investors - we are customers.

“Who are you a customer of pal?”

“Me pal Burnley FC, why where are you a customer?”

“ I’m a customer at PNE”

“Haha (breaks into song) your custom is fuckin ****, your custom is fuckin ****”

We are supporters not ******* customers
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Re: Defour

Post by Gnulty » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:29 pm

Even Steven will play again...

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Re: Defour

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:He has played in 49 games in ALL competitions from a possible 93 in his time here. Thats not 90 minutes. Thats just featured.

Less than 1/3 of them he has finished 90 minutes. :cry:

The truth is we probably wouldn't have got him if he was fitter.
The reality is we are miles ahead of where we were when we signed him and should have another player of his caliber in by now.

Our lineup on his debut vs yesterday

Heaton, Lowton, Keane, Mee, Ward, Boyd, Marney, Defour, Arfield, Gray, Vokes
Hart, Bardsley, Tarkowski, Mee, Taylor, Lennon, Westwood, Cork, Hendrick, Wood

Have we improved significantly in that time? Debateable.

spot on CC

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Re: Defour

Post by Stockbrokerbelt » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:43 pm

Usual crap when we are going through a rough patch, why not the same questions about Brady? Dyche has said on at least 2 occasions that he is a couple of weeks behind Brady & it’s an issue just behind the knee which he tweaked getting over his calf & something that is common after the sort of injury he has had. Doubt he would say that on Clarets tv if it was not true.

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Re: Defour

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:54 pm

Bob Lord would have been proud of some of the posts on this thread

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Re: Defour

Post by joey13 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:25 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:He has played in 49 games in ALL competitions from a possible 93 in his time here. Thats not 90 minutes. Thats just featured.

Less than 1/3 of them he has finished 90 minutes. :cry:

The truth is we probably wouldn't have got him if he was fitter.
The reality is we are miles ahead of where we were when we signed him and should have another player of his caliber in by now.

Our lineup on his debut vs yesterday

Heaton, Lowton, Keane, Mee, Ward, Boyd, Marney, Defour, Arfield, Gray, Vokes
Hart, Bardsley, Tarkowski, Mee, Taylor, Lennon, Westwood, Cork, Hendrick, Wood

Have we improved significantly in that time? Debateable.
I genuinely couldn’t remember him finishing a game , your stats make it even more staggering more wasn’t done in the transfer window, Dyche keeps saying we are evolving, we aren’t the same mistakes keep on happening on and off the field

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Re: Defour

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:29 pm

Stockbrokerbelt wrote:Usual crap when we are going through a rough patch, why not the same questions about Brady? Dyche has said on at least 2 occasions that he is a couple of weeks behind Brady & it’s an issue just behind the knee which he tweaked getting over his calf & something that is common after the sort of injury he has had. Doubt he would say that on Clarets tv if it was not true.
Did he say how many weeks Brady was off so I can work it out?. I am yet to purchase claret tv as part of my customer experience.

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Re: Defour

Post by deanothedino » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:31 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:“Who are you a customer of pal?”

“Me pal Burnley FC, why where are you a customer?”

“ I’m a customer at PNE”

“Haha (breaks into song) your custom is fuckin ****, your custom is fuckin ****”

We are supporters not ******* customers
We're both. And one of the ways we support the team is with our custom.

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Re: Defour

Post by Stayingup » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:35 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Who has suggested his injury is career-threatening? Certainly the first I’ve heard of it.
Career threatening or not they can't get to the bottom of it. They can't find a medical solution.

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Re: Defour

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:37 pm

Stayingup wrote:Career threatening or not they can't get to the bottom of it. They can't find a medical solution.
Who has given you that information?

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Re: Defour

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:39 pm

He can't tell you that!

He'd lose the ITK credibility.........

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Re: Defour

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:42 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Did he say how many weeks Brady was off so I can work it out?. I am yet to purchase claret tv as part of my customer experience.
Touch and go, I think.
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Re: Defour

Post by Stayingup » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:45 pm

Fact is if Defour wasn't terribly injury prone and perhaps delicate he would have cost much more than 8 million and would be playing at a bigger club. Another fact is the club should have got in two midfield players in the summer.

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Re: Defour

Post by Stayingup » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Who has given you that information?
Sean Dyche said it in a recent interview.

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Re: Defour

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:47 pm

Okay, but where did you get "He defies medical opinion" info from?

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Re: Defour

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:48 pm

Stayingup wrote:Sean Dyche said it in a recent interview.
Dyche said that they can’t find a medical solution for Defour’s injury?

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Re: Defour

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:49 pm

You got a link?

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Re: Defour

Post by Top Claret » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:51 pm

The question should not be over Defours fitness, the question should be. Why the hell have we not signed a replacement for him in the last transfer window?
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Re: Defour

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:56 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:That explains why we are treat like customers and not fans so often then.
Investor LOL - an investor is any person who commits capital with the expectation of a financial return. At best you are a supporter- a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for.... (dictionary, you should try one)

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Re: Defour

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:59 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Investor LOL - an investor is any person who commits capital with the expectation of a financial return. At best you are a supporter- a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for.... (dictionary, you should try one)
I will bare that in mind in future when they need people to invest their hard earned when we dont have the sky money coming in...

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Re: Defour

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:02 pm

Blimey, four games in and we're as good as relegated.
Bonkers.

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Re: Defour

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:04 pm

That’s asking for a donation not an investment! Stop trying to exaggerate your individual importance.

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Re: Defour

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:06 pm

Didn’t they do a recent article that showed we’d make a profit even without fans in this league?

No wonder they don’t give a **** about telling us anything.
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Re: Defour

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:07 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:That’s asking for a donation not an investment! Stop trying to exaggerate your individual importance.
Individually perhaps not. But collectively the club is **** all without fans / supporters.

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Re: Defour

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:15 pm

Maybe one of our fearless local football journalists could ask what's going on with Defour

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Re: Defour

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:15 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Individually perhaps not. But collectively the club is **** all without fans / supporters.
But not all fans feel as entitled as you do.

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Re: Defour

Post by Stayingup » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:19 pm

Claretto wrote:Yes. Several times.
Several? I think not many full 90 minutes. Probably about 10. I would like to know actually.

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Re: Defour

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:24 pm

Stayingup wrote:Several? I think not many full 90 minutes. Probably about 10. I would like to know actually.
Are you able to expand on or provide a link to Dyche saying that they can’t find a medical solution to Defour’s injury?

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Re: Defour

Post by DCWat » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:25 pm

The simple solution would be that the fans are provided with a rough timeframe for his return. It doesn’t need to be the intricate details of what the issue is. It’s not exactly an unusual thing for clubs to put into the public domain.

If it is a long term issue, and it’s starting to look that way, it begs the question, how long have we know this? If the answer is any date before the deadline, it’s baffling that another midfielder wasn’t brought in.

We’ve 3 central midfielders and we play 3 pretty much every game. Even if we didn’t, 4-4-2 or Vydra starting to free up Hendrick, it’s massively lightweight having 3 midfielders for two such key positions.

Our last two relegations from this division were as a result of having insufficient midfield cover.
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Re: Defour

Post by piston broke » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:27 pm

I wish we had the American system. Where, because of gambling, fitness updates have to be accurate.

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Re: Defour

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:29 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:But not all fans feel as entitled as you do.
Fair enough.

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Re: Defour

Post by ralphc » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:30 pm

mkmel wrote:I thought it a bit strange when on a couple of occasions in press interviews and the like Sean Dyche has said that JBG and Robbie Brady are missing due to injury
But no mention at all of Stephen Defour so got me thinking but hopefully I am wrong that he will still be out for a while
Maybe if the so called local journalists had the balls to ask a proper direct question of the manager he might just give us an answer about his injury.

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