2.7 Million Brexiteers Have Changed to Remain

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:07 pm

Court of Session ruling allowing a case to be heard by the European Court of Justice for a ruling on how to revoke Article 50.

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Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:08 pm

She staying, and she's still not got a clue that the UK is actually slightly more important than the unity of the Conservative Party.

She still thick skinned enough to repeat "a bad deal is worse than no deal" despite it widely being mocked as utter rubbish.

And she's completely forgotten that she's agreed to a back stop back in january and that it was binding.

JRM is currently wanking himself into a frenzy it has to be said.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:10 pm

She's now waffaling on about the irish border.

If there is no deal, then there has to be a border.

How can she not get that?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:15 pm

She's going for a "No deal"

We are all going to take a hell of a hit.

And its going to end with both Scotland and NI announcing referendums again. I can't see either losing if we go down the "No deal" road.

Shame, I liked being part of a United Kingdom.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:15 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:She's now waffaling on about the irish border.

If there is no deal, then there has to be a border.

How can she not get that?

The speech was almost surreal. It's as though she hasn't assimilated anything over the past 2 years, and has reverted back to "Brexit means Brexit", and similar soundbites.
What an embarrassment when this is transmitted in the other 27 states.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:16 pm

Only plus point is that she's ignoring the idiots and refusing to treat the EU citizens in the UK as a bargaining chip.

But the rest? ********.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:18 pm

One thing to keep reminding people of

A "No deal" is not only democratically illegitimate, but also the worst possible scenario from an economic point of view.

Let that sink in for a sec.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:19 pm

That speech sounded like a desperate cry for help.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:20 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Only plus point is that she's ignoring the idiots and refusing to treat the EU citizens in the UK as a bargaining chip.

But the rest? ********.

Shame the EU thinks that UK citizens in the EU are a bargaining chip. Maybe Mr Tusk will be out tomorrow to reciprocate?

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:22 pm

I thought she said it as it was.
Excellent
If they don't take her offer, soft Brexit, then she will be unseated by JRM and co and you'll have a hard Brexit
Lancaster & Nil if you think she's embarrassing then you must have also been embarrassed by her, a British Prime Minister, being humiliated and mocked by Tusk and Barnier

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:23 pm

Evidence?

And please, please, please, please bear in mind that Tusk speaks for 26 countries, he has to make sure they are all in agreement before he comes out with stuff. Its a democracy over there too remember?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:25 pm

Why?

She bought it on herself by going for a proposal that they told her from the start wouldn't work.

Its not like it wasn't news that it was unacceptable to the EU is it?

Granted, the gif from Tusk was in bad taste, but it did sum up quite nicely where we are.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:27 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Evidence?

And please, please, please, please bear in mind that Tusk speaks for 26 countries, he has to make sure they are all in agreement before he comes out with stuff. Its a democracy over there too remember?

There are 28 countries in the EU. Which is the other one he doesn't speak for?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:29 pm

Evidence dsr.

Produce some evidence.

You are better than that surely?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:34 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Evidence?

And please, please, please, please bear in mind that Tusk speaks for 26 countries, he has to make sure they are all in agreement before he comes out with stuff. Its a democracy over there too remember?

Here's some evidence that you were wrong.

""This included £359 million that CAME BACK through the European Regional Development Fund and £2.4 billion through the Agricultural Guarantee Fund."

"Some have argued that there are other payments that should be taken into account. Money from the EU also COMES BACK directly to the UK private sector (for example, to fund research in UK universities). ONS data does not separately identify direct flows from the EU to the UK private sector."

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Evidence dsr.

Produce some evidence.

You are better than that surely?

Evidence you want evidence.?

The UK gets money back

The government then gets some of that money back, mainly through payments to farmers and for poorer areas of the country such as Wales and Cornwall.

Evidence that you were wrong.

Admit it.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:35 pm

Not sure why you would use the word 'waffling' there Lancaster...loaded terms/ language don't move anyone forward..it was a good speech [even if you don't agree with what she is saying].

I saw the full speech - firm, clear, steely..wanting a compromise but making clear that we will go 'no deal' if we have to.
I am not a big fan of hers but I was quite impressed.
We are at an impasse..
She was clear on two [three] things..

1] the Referendum result must be respected.
2] our Union will not be broken..[with N.I.]
3] all 3 million EU residents in the UK, are wanted and valued...rights guaranteed if we crash out.

- the Irish question still a tricky one [some explanation just offered but I didn't properly catch it]..a regulatory border?

She has knocked the ball back into their court...not enough for them just to say 'No'...what about some counter proposals?
They want/need us as much as we want/need them - they do NOT hold all the aces...both sides want a [decent] deal.

Cheap cheesy stuff on Instagram from Donald Tusk [about cherries] is pathetic and insulting - he should know better...move aside if he can't do the statesman-like thing properly.

Be interesting to see what the EU reaction to this will be...it's their move.

The chances of a no-deal have just gone up.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:36 pm

Lancaster Claret -

THE EGO THAT WOULD JUST NOT LET GO.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:37 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Why?

She bought it on herself by going for a proposal that they told her from the start wouldn't work.

Its not like it wasn't news that it was unacceptable to the EU is it?

Granted, the gif from Tusk was in bad taste, but it did sum up quite nicely where we are.

Her proposals are too hard for them and too soft for JRM etc.

What bemuses me is those who want to remain think that if May, and her Chequers plan, is destroyed then that equals a 2nd referendum, the revoking of article 50 and ultimately the UK remaining in the EU.
It doesn't and if it somehow did have you any idea what that would mean, just carry on as normal?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:38 pm

dsr wrote:There are 28 countries in the EU. Which is the other one he doesn't speak for?

Poland, (his own country) + 26 = 27. (+ the UK = 28)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:39 pm

This is funny.

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JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:41 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:They want/need us as much as we want/need them - they do NOT hold all the aces...both sides want a [decent] deal.

Ah. They used to need us more than we needed them. But now they need us as much as we need them.

Are you slowly climbing down, Hampstead?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:41 pm

Tusk suposedly putting out Instagram pics with accompanying mocking text.

Has imploding turtle hacked into his account?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:43 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:
Be interesting to see what the EU reaction to this will be...it's their move.

The chances of a no-deal have just gone up.

EU needn't react at all to TM throwing toys out of pram.
The UK has voted to leave.
The UK has gone to the EU asking for a deal, the EU doesn't have to offer anything.
So basically she's spoken like a school bully, but she has no power, and not even majority support in her own parliament or country.

Re: No deal. She hasn't got the numbers in Parliament.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:45 pm

hampstead

- The Irish border has two solutions - either as it is now, or a hard border as under WTO rules. There isn't anything else.

- She was playing to a domestic audience as well, but she's spent six months on Chequers. Any mention of a chequers deal in the speech? Not one. So she's just dumped her deal. Just like that. What else will she dump to hang on to power? (going all gollum here!) We wonders, yes, we wonders

Bleeding

- I'm not sure that is the case to be honest. Its much more likely that she will go as PM and then an election. And no one has a clue how that would go. I certainly don't have a clue who to vote for.

- question is what is worse? riots in the streets after we stay in the EU (doubtful it has to be said) or riots in the streets when the supply chain breaks down?

Two years ago, Storm Desmond wiped out the electricity for Lancaster for three days. I'm not being funny here, but no shops could open, no food, nothing in ten mile radius. Now imagine that country wide. Which is worse?

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:46 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Not sure why you would use the word 'waffling' there Lancaster...loaded terms/ language don't move anyone forward..it was a good speech [even if you don't agree with what she is saying].

I saw the full speech - firm, clear, steely..wanting a compromise but making clear that we will go 'no deal' if we have to.
I am not a big fan of hers but I was quite impressed.
We are at an impasse..
She was clear on two [three] things..

1] the Referendum result must be respected.
2] our Union will not be broken..[with N.I.]
3] all 3 million EU residents in the UK, are wanted and valued...rights guaranteed if we crash out.

- the Irish question still a tricky one [some explanation just offered but I didn't properly catch it]..a regulatory border?

She has knocked the ball back into their court...not enough for them just to say 'No'...what about some counter proposals?
They want/need us as much as we want/need them - they do NOT hold all the aces...both sides want a [decent] deal.

Cheap cheesy stuff on Instagram from Donald Tusk [about cherries] is pathetic and insulting - he should know better...move aside if he can't do the statesman-like thing properly.

Be interesting to see what the EU reaction to this will be...it's their move.

The chances of a no-deal have just gone up.

Exactly as I see it, I'm glad to know that some else can see it as it is, not just sticking to the same one sided rhetoric,
I don't support her, or Chequers, I'd prefer a cleaner break, but she is a statesman, and their treatment of her a standing British Prime Minister was a disgrace, she has some balls, good on her.
Respect to her for fighting for what she believes in.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:49 pm

Ringo, i've just blocked you. I've had enough.

I posted on here twice today answering your question. Once to answer it, and once to draw your attention to the post I answered it.

You just don't read any replies to you. So there is no point replying to you.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:51 pm

Loving the level of response to Ringo's inane postings......go and have another beer lad

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:hampstead

- The Irish border has two solutions - either as it is now, or a hard border as under WTO rules. There isn't anything else.

- She was playing to a domestic audience as well, but she's spent six months on Chequers. Any mention of a chequers deal in the speech? Not one. So she's just dumped her deal. Just like that. What else will she dump to hang on to power? (going all gollum here!) We wonders, yes, we wonders

Bleeding

- I'm not sure that is the case to be honest. Its much more likely that she will go as PM and then an election. And no one has a clue how that would go. I certainly don't have a clue who to vote for.

- question is what is worse? riots in the streets after we stay in the EU (doubtful it has to be said) or riots in the streets when the supply chain breaks down?

Two years ago, Storm Desmond wiped out the electricity for Lancaster for three days. I'm not being funny here, but no shops could open, no food, nothing in ten mile radius. Now imagine that country wide. Which is worse?

Thats all well and hysterical. But, imagine still believing that money given to Burnley in the form of the European Regional Development Fund is NOT our own money coming back.

Despite being presented with independent facts.

And refusing to acknowledge it, an adult way, you were wrong!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:54 pm

Fighting for something she believes in?

She voted remain ffs.

She's trying to hang on to her job.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:54 pm

I still cannot get my head round any talk of another referendum, that would be undemocratic in my opinion, unless we are going to say that the one we had 2 years ago was not a legal one. If that's the case All the MPs need to resign and we will need to go for the Queen being in charge and follow her rules until we can get a new way of doing things.
I vote remain and was stunned when it went the other way, but on several General elections I have voted and another party has got in. So if it is to be a new vote can i please with respect have previous none winning General elections repealed and any cost that I endured due to this paid back to me.

As I have said before I knew that it would not be as easy as people seemed to think, and I cannot understand why the remainers (MPs) did not explain this before the vote.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:56 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:hampstead

- The Irish border has two solutions - either as it is now, or a hard border as under WTO rules. There isn't anything else.

- She was playing to a domestic audience as well, but she's spent six months on Chequers. Any mention of a chequers deal in the speech? Not one. So she's just dumped her deal. Just like that. What else will she dump to hang on to power? (going all gollum here!) We wonders, yes, we wonders

Bleeding

- I'm not sure that is the case to be honest. Its much more likely that she will go as PM and then an election. And no one has a clue how that would go. I certainly don't have a clue who to vote for.

- question is what is worse? riots in the streets after we stay in the EU (doubtful it has to be said) or riots in the streets when the supply chain breaks down?

Two years ago, Storm Desmond wiped out the electricity for Lancaster for three days. I'm not being funny here, but no shops could open, no food, nothing in ten mile radius. Now imagine that country wide. Which is worse?

Hypothetically, if there is a general election, and Labour win and lets say they revoke Brexit, not saying they would, why should I respect that they are democratically the government. If a 2nd referendum is held before Brexit was ever implemented why should I respect that . It's not a question.
If we do not get a period of time out of the EU as per a democratic referendum elected, why should anyone accept any vote.
Again not a question.
If we don't exit the EU then there is no argument that we are still a democracy.
Then a different set of rules will apply.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:hampstead

- The Irish border has two solutions - either as it is now, or a hard border as under WTO rules. There isn't anything else.

- She was playing to a domestic audience as well, but she's spent six months on Chequers. Any mention of a chequers deal in the speech? Not one. So she's just dumped her deal. Just like that. What else will she dump to hang on to power? (going all gollum here!) We wonders, yes, we wonders

Bleeding

- I'm not sure that is the case to be honest. Its much more likely that she will go as PM and then an election. And no one has a clue how that would go. I certainly don't have a clue who to vote for.

- question is what is worse? riots in the streets after we stay in the EU (doubtful it has to be said) or riots in the streets when the supply chain breaks down?

Two years ago, Storm Desmond wiped out the electricity for Lancaster for three days. I'm not being funny here, but no shops could open, no food, nothing in ten mile radius. Now imagine that country wide. Which is worse?

Of course there is something else re. the border. There are two sides to the border - it is reputed by Remainers and by the EU that the WTO demands a hard border, even though it doesn't. The UK claims to be able to ensure there is no hard border on the UK side, and I don't see any reason why this shouldn't be.

The other side of the border, of course, is the Irish problem. The Republic of Ireland doesn't want a hard border, but their EU masters tell them that it is essential for the integrity of the single market. So it may well be that there is no visible border on the UK side, but the Irish put up checkpoints and such on their side. And if that's what the Irish choose to do, there's not a lot the UK can do to dissuade them.

As for supply chains being disrupted - you're talking nonsense. I know, because you have said in the past, that you believe the government would rather see people starve than allow food to be brought in without the proper paperwork; but that was, is, and always will be nonsense. Farmers will still grow food, distributors will still distribute it, shops will still sell it, and if the paperwork trail is different, it will be got round.

If it helps, 70% of the food sold in this country comes from the UK or outside the EU. 25% of food that reaches the shops, is wasted one way or another. So if just 5 percentage points of the 30% of food that comes from the EU, still gets here - then we have enough food to feed everyone. Will there be riots in the streets if we have to eat our cabbage or our tin of beans is a day out of date? I doubt it.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:59 pm

There is no chance of anyone revoking article 50 without a referendum first.

I agree that you can't do that.

But you can go "we've ****** this good and proper, what do you want us to do"*

*it would be hilarious if they actually used that line btw, but I'm sure they won't.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ringo, i've just blocked you. I've had enough.

I posted on here twice today answering your question. Once to answer it, and once to draw your attention to the post I answered it.

You just don't read any replies to you. So there is no point replying to you.

And there you have it a man( if you can call him that!) Refusing point blank despite me holding out an olive branch on more than one occasion to show mutual respect to one another.

I'll never forget the post where Lancaster Claret , and in not quoting verbatim, said,
", I have the the unfortunate habit of being right and being right most of the time!!!!"

When confronted with the truth that shatters his pompous holier than pretty much every mortal, sneering and looking down his nose at any one that doesn't happen to share his world view. He's nothing more than a coward.

Well he's wrong and he knows he's wrong and it's plain for the dozen or so people who post on brexit related threads

Arrogant, myopic, supercilious coward.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:00 pm

So, has TM just about guaranteed either a 2nd referendum or just remaining?
She has probably just about alienated all 27 countries now with her tone and manner, and significantly reduced the chances of getting any kind of deal.
The EU have consistently made it clear that they are unable to compromise on the underlying principles of the EU and the Irish border.
And the EU have known from day 1 that no deal is not an option, and this was made even more certain when TM foolishly lost her Parliamentary majority.
She simply does not have the numbers in Parliament for "no deal".
The EU can just sit back now and watch both political parties implode.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Fighting for something she believes in?

She voted remain ffs.

She's trying to hang on to her job.

There are two contradictory things she believes in. The question is which is more important - her own personal beliefs, or the rule of democracy? A politician who fights for what she believes and ignores a referendum result because it doesn't agree with what she believes, would not be a principled politician

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:04 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:So, has TM just about guaranteed either a 2nd referendum or just remaining?
She has probably just about alienated all 27 countries now with her tone and manner, and significantly reduced the chances of getting any kind of deal.
The EU have consistently made it clear that they are unable to compromise on the underlying principles of the EU and the Irish border.
And the EU have known from day 1 that no deal is not an option, and this was made even more certain when TM foolishly lost her Parliamentary majority.
She simply does not have the numbers in Parliament for "no deal".
The EU can just sit back now and watch both political parties implode.

Like she says, in impasse. If the EU is adamant that both parts of Ireland must be treated exactly the same, then there are only two solutions: Northern Ireland comes out of the UK in all but name, or the Republic of Ireland comes out of the EU in all but name. Neither party can agree to that, so unless the EU changes its mind, it's no deal.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ringo, i've just blocked you. I've had enough.

I posted on here twice today answering your question. Once to answer it, and once to draw your attention to the post I answered it.

You just don't read any replies to you. So there is no point replying to you.

You've posted twice have you!?

I wonder if there's a history of cognitive dissonance in the family.

Or has it just sporadically surfaced in you?

Lancaster claret - behaving just like his heroes in the heroes in the EU. Belligerent, arrogant and unaccepting of the fact that he can ever ever be wrong.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:04 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:EU needn't react at all to TM throwing toys out of pram.
The UK has voted to leave.
The UK has gone to the EU asking for a deal, the EU doesn't have to offer anything.
So basically she's spoken like a school bully, but she has no power, and not even majority support in her own parliament or country.

Re: No deal. She hasn't got the numbers in Parliament.

You have that backwards about they are the bully's and mocking ones at that.
She is a statesmen.
They are a disgrace
She can hold her head high.

Don't need numbers for a no deal, it will just come about, you think no deal means as we were?
Do you not believe in democracy are you much cleverer than the majority, maybe your arrogance is why you didn't spot Tusk's et al misbehavior and if you can only see your views and can't understand intelligent discussions to find middle ground you can't respect Mrs May, the British Prime Minister.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:07 pm

I'd rather not find out to be honest DSR.

I certainly don't want to be proved right, and i'd rather we made sure it wasn't as issue.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:09 pm

And it has to be said, you refuse to accept that the Brexit that was promised before the referendum is not the one that is going to be delivered.

That far more dangerous to democracy as anything that might result after another democratic vote.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:10 pm

2.7 million brexiteers have changed their mind.

If it were ever true, seeing the spectacle by which the Brussels bully boys have behaved with the prime minister of the UK. They've probably just changed it back.

More importantly, it sounds like Teresa May has changed hers.

She's just become a brexiteer.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:10 pm

Do you not believe in democracy are you much cleverer than the majority, maybe your arrogance is why you didn't spot Tusk's et al misbehavior and if you can only see your views and can't understand intelligent discussions to find middle ground you can't respect Mrs May, the British Prime Minister.

Ringo levels there bleeding.

A no deal is not the middle ground. How can anyone seriously believe that it is?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
I certainly don't want to be proved right,.

And on today's grindingly embarrassing performance from you today. Youu're certainly not prepared to admit you are wrong!!

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Fighting for something she believes in?

She voted remain ffs.

She's trying to hang on to her job.

Fighting for what she believes is the best way to implement Brexit and of course fighting for her job.

It is the fundamental problem a Leave voter should have been in charge.

IMO we should have started what we will in theory start in March the day after the referendum result, we would be further down the line now good or bad but at least we'd know.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:14 pm

I agree with you now that a leave voter should have been in charge.

Then they would be no arguments at all that leave has failed.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:14 pm

BleedingClaret wrote: Don't need numbers for a no deal, it will just come about, you think no deal means as we were?
Do you not believe in democracy are you much cleverer than the majority, maybe your arrogance is why you didn't spot Tusk's et al misbehavior and if you can only see your views and can't understand intelligent discussions to find middle ground you can't respect Mrs May, the British Prime Minister.

I'll disregard most of that as it is basically disrespectful, but I'll ask a simple question.
Are there enough MPs in Parliament to vote through "no deal"?
If you think that there are then fair enough, but just consider the wafer thin majority May has even with DUP support, then do some research into which Tory MPs will rebel and vote against no deal. It's more than double figures, and if it came down to it, (i.e. an actual vote), they would be joined by others from constituencies where voters were strongly pro-remain.
(There might be a handful of Labour MPs who would support no deal, but not enough to give TM the numbers).

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:If you think the key part of the post was about the chips and the alcohol then you still haven't really got your head around it. Anyhow no bother as the key thing is still that we should just pull the plug on Brexit and learn the lesson that silly referendums are not a good idea and can easily lead to disaster as the last two years have shown us.

What disaster? 2 years? We haven't even exited yet, Please explain you can you leave the chips & alcohol out of it this time please, then the contents of my cranium might receive some pearls of wisdom. The referendum was the opportunity to let people make a decision, I presume you're not keen on the democracy thing. That's the only bit so far I've managed to get my head around.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ringo levels?

Thats called providing actual ONS and Full Fact facts and being correct.

"This included £359 million that CAME BACK through the European Regional Development Fund and £2.4 billion through the Agricultural Guarantee Fund."

"Christ on a bike Ringo!! It's not" - Lancaster Claret