Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

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Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Mala591 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:40 am

Should we risk Defour for the first 45 mins on Saturday? We could play him in a midfield 3 with Westwood sitting in front of the back four.

...........Back four
...........Westwood
JBG Defour Cork McNeil

Too soon after a lengthy layoff OR worth risking because we desperately need his quality in central midfield?

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:41 am

No, simple answer is that it is a long season and we need him fit and properly fit for the campaign and not just a one off 45 minutes that would hinder his recovery.
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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:42 am

Not yet.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:54 am

Not yet.

We would have been top 6 last season without the injury to him and Brady but he needs to be fully fit when he comes back

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:01 pm

Jesus, no.
The last thing we should be doing with him is to "risk" anything connected with
the situation. Could set him back months if it went pear shaped.

Leave it to the boss and medical staff.
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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:04 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Jesus, no.
The last thing we should be doing with him is to "risk" anything connected with
the situation. Could set him back months if it went pear shaped.

Leave it to the boss and medical staff.
Exactly, sports scientists make these decisions now.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by houseboy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:17 pm

Yes.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by claretblue » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:20 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Exactly, sports scientists make these decisions now.
it appears that all his rehabilitation has taken place in Belgium and not under the supervision of Burnleys medical/sports scientists

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:22 pm

claretblue wrote:it appears that all his rehabilitation has taken place in Belgium and not under the supervision of Burnleys medical/sports scientists
That was his re-hab, not his match fitness. They are all monitored now.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:25 pm

Which Saturday are you suggesting? One in February looks realistic.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Carport » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:31 pm

Impossible to answer as we don’t have accurate knowledge about his current fitness.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:35 pm

No.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Goobs » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:58 pm

Yes, because one win against Bournemouth will mean we are safe even if he misses the rest of the season as a result :roll:
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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by jlup1980 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:58 pm

I'd be looking to get him back in for the Cardiff and Huddersfield games. Those two are huge games and he'd give us a massive boost if he were fit.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:00 pm

I'd put him on the bench even if we have no plan of playing him, just to give everyone a boost.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:00 pm

He is critical to our success. But no way would I risk him this weekend. Maybe bring him on the bench as a confidence boost for the players and fans. But no. Bring him off the bench against Cardiff. MAYBE even Burton.

To be honest its a travesty we are so reliant on such an injury prone player even now.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by piston broke » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:08 pm

No.
An hour in an U23 match is a long way from 45mins against an all action Bournemouth.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:10 pm

Despite our poor start and their good start. We should have more than enough to be beating Bournemouth!
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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by KellyClaret » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:16 pm

claretblue wrote:it appears that all his rehabilitation has taken place in Belgium and not under the supervision of Burnleys medical/sports scientists
I can guarantee you that even if his rehab was completed in Belgium that was with cooperation and oversight from the BFC medical team

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:23 pm

He is weeks away

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Longsidelenny » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:25 pm

Well said cricketfield you know your football

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:34 pm

Longsidelenny wrote:Well said cricketfield you know your football
Obviously

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:42 pm

The fact that you've had to use the word 'risk' should answer that question. If Defour isn't fully fit then of course he shouldn't play. None of us know when he will be fully fit though so I fail to see how anyone can suggest a fixture for his return.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:45 pm

No.
Between them, he Dyche and the medics will know what he is capable of. It's just nice to see him on a pitch and kicking a ball.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by 1914tyrone » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:01 pm

He will not be far away this has not been a big injury come back.
Don't be surprised if we see him play against burton for an hour!!

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Bertiebeehead » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:02 pm

Club just announced that Brady and Defour playing a closed doors game today, neither involved at the weekend.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by bobinho » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:13 pm

No.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by houseboy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:41 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Despite our poor start and their good start. We should have more than enough to be beating Bournemouth!
This IS the same Bournemouth that beat us at home in May is it? Or is there another one?

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Spijed » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:44 pm

houseboy wrote:This IS the same Bournemouth that beat us at home in May is it? Or is there another one?
And considering we played like it didn't matter...

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by houseboy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:44 pm

1914tyrone wrote:He will not be far away this has not been a big injury come back.
Don't be surprised if we see him play against burton for an hour!!
Sorry mate but you are not the first to suggest this. Now if Dyche thinks that dropping most of the first team for Europe is right why would he risk a half-fit Defour in the League Cup?

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by houseboy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:48 pm

Spijed wrote:And considering we played like it didn't matter...
Oh, that's alright then, highly paid professional footballers playing like it doesn't matter? If I went to work and performed like it didn't matter my employers would quite possibly think 'well neither does your job then, here's a warning'.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:51 pm

houseboy wrote:Oh, that's alright then, highly paid professional footballers playing like it doesn't matter? If I went to work and performed like it didn't matter my employers would quite possibly think 'well neither does your job then, here's a warning'.

And if your performance at work was based over a 9 month period and you ended the last one 7th best in the country you would probably think your employers were dicks if they began crying at things you were doing after just over a month of the following period

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by houseboy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:42 pm

But I don't perform in front of an audience paying hard earned money to be entertained. There's the difference.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by SGr » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:48 pm

Yeah not yet. Obviously I want him back ASAP but we have to let the rehab run its full course in order to give us the best chance of not losing him to injury soon.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by 1914tyrone » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:54 pm

houseboy wrote:Sorry mate but you are not the first to suggest this. Now if Dyche thinks that dropping most of the first team for Europe is right why would he risk a half-fit Defour in the League Cup?
The U23 is a competitive league, what’s the difference in playing that and the league cup. I see no difference in risk, just the benefit of gaining fitness. We don’t treat either cup too seriously

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by houseboy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:59 pm

1914tyrone wrote:The U23 is a competitive league, what’s the difference in playing that and the league cup. I see no difference in risk, just the benefit of gaining fitness. We don’t treat either cup too seriously
Sad but true.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:19 pm

houseboy wrote:This IS the same Bournemouth that beat us at home in May is it? Or is there another one?
Yep thats them.

No reason we couldnt or shouldnt beat them, especially at home.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Guich » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:31 pm

I find it staggering that anyone could think a team which was nowhere near us all last season, should now beat us at Turf Moor; on the basis of five games.

Our slow start is a combination of a hectic Europe program (Thurs/Sun) and a resultant dip in confidence/belief. The only game we really threw one in was Fulham away and that, I think, was after our trip to Greece.

As soon as we win one we'll get going, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be this Saturday.

And no, we shouldn't risk Defour yet, we have very capable players throughout the team, and when he and Brady are back we'll be fine.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:17 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Yep thats them.

No reason we couldnt or shouldnt beat them, especially at home.
Exactly.

If you want to go back further we destroyed them at Bournemouth last season. Form is temporary and all that.....

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:18 pm

Guich wrote:I find it staggering that anyone could think a team which was nowhere near us all last season, should now beat us at Turf Moor; on the basis of five games.

Our slow start is a combination of a hectic Europe program (Thurs/Sun) and a resultant dip in confidence/belief. The only game we really threw one in was Fulham away and that, I think, was after our trip to Greece.

As soon as we win one we'll get going, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be this Saturday.

And no, we shouldn't risk Defour yet, we have very capable players throughout the team, and when he and Brady are back we'll be fine.
Agree with this but would suggest the main poor “throw one ins” were Fulham and Wolves

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:00 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Exactly.

If you want to go back further we destroyed them at Bournemouth last season. Form is temporary and all that.....
With a fully fit Defour and Brady firing on all cylinders. Without those two we are short of creativity it's untrue.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by jurek » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:16 pm

Dyche will want to give Defour at least one more run out for the U23's
before considering him.
At best he might be on the bench at Burton and come on for the last 20 mins or so.
Then he'll have to decide whether he's up for the Cardiff game but will not want to take any risks
so may leave him on the bench.

T'would be great if he could come on during the Cardiff game and make the difference
by scoring the winner!

Wishful thinking, no doubt. But we need a bit of a boost.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by LifeafterRobbie » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:17 pm

No............this is real life, not playstation

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by South West Claret. » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:21 pm

Mala591 wrote:Should we risk Defour for the first 45 mins on Saturday? We could play him in a midfield 3 with Westwood sitting in front of the back four.

...........Back four
...........Westwood
JBG Defour Cork McNeil

Too soon after a lengthy layoff OR worth risking because we desperately need his quality in central midfield?
Not a question that anyone on here is fully qualified to give an opinion on I would have thought.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Wisswosswass » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:36 pm

Maybe off the bench after 55 minutes if the game is not going our way.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:51 pm

Yes at least a first half to get us going.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by taio » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:14 pm

No. And it has been confirmed he will play no part Saturday.

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Re: Should we risk Defour on Saturday?

Post by warksclaret » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:44 pm

No Way. Lets take as long as it takes

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