Taylor

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:29 pm

Is he all that?

Discuss.....

Night all

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:33 pm

Boring t***.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:34 pm

Hahaha. Well played.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:37 pm

Sad we are focusing on a player when the team had such a great win, after such a poor set of previous results.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:22 am

Improving for me and I haven't been a fan but he let the lad go when Hart had to save with his feet, Birtles slagged him off on comms for it, and why didn't he chip the ball in when Lennon laid it back to him just after HT. It was the obvious play.
Normally stands out for me as a weakness but he's getting there and was a solid 7 today.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:30 am

He'll improve, I'm sure. But I feel a lot more confident with Ward, both with the ball and without it.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:44 am

Has to be allowed the time to improve. I wouldn’t bring Wardy back in because I really do believe he’s finsihed.

But if he hasn’t improved noticeably by January we should start shopping. Tick tock

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:49 am

SGr wrote:Has to be allowed the time to improve. I wouldn’t bring Wardy back in because I really do believe he’s finsihed.

But if he hasn’t improved noticeably by January we should start shopping. Tick tock

If Ward is finished, we should be shopping anyway.

I thought Taylor was much better today, not perfect by any means but he did reasonably well. Ward may not have been himself so far this season, not sure that means he’s finished quite yet though.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:13 am

He's young and he has a lot to learn - especially in terms of positioning and concentration.

But physically, athletically and in terms of footballing potential he is an outstanding prospect for us.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:16 am

DCWat wrote:If Ward is finished, we should be shopping anyway.

I thought Taylor was much better today, not perfect by any means but he did reasonably well. Ward may not have been himself so far this season, not sure that means he’s finished quite yet though.

Good points. I really don’t think Ward will recover though and will continue his decline, simply because of his age. I’m more than ready to be proven wrong tho, I do like Wardy a lot

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:03 am

I think this lad will be the real deal, I really do. I think he's maturing. Yes he certainly needs to improve on his positional sense and learn when and when not to forage forward but that will come. It is coming. I'd be surprised if Wardy, good as he is, gets the shirt back any time soon.

Bangers&Mash · Post by **Bangers&Mash** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:29 am

If I had to pick just one word for Taylor it would be naive.

There's a good player in there as long as he learns from his mistakes. Dyche'll teach him good and I'm willing to give him the chance to learn.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:40 am

Morning all.

How’s the discussion?

Looks like you’ve had a great time,

Ward back in October for me. Let’s see what happens

Will be exciting

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:27 am

Taylor has done enough to warrant a run in a settled back 4. He will only improve now, whereas with Wards age he will only go the other way unfortunately.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:50 am

BBC interview with SD.

“Chas makes the decision not to go...”

Well done Chas, the great man noticed your wonderful decision making and “heart of a lion” defensive approach.

Oh lord it’s time for Ward

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:57 am

Thought he had a decent game today against a very quick Bournemouth side.

Yes, there is room for improvement but he won't get that sat on the bench and personally I think he can develop into a very good attacking LB.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:01 am

As Hibs said, it will be exciting watching our first choice left back develop and improve with the experience that he will get over the coming months. It’s a nice position to be in where we have a player like Ward on the bench to call upon if required

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:02 am

I love it when our players skill levels are questioned, if they were all untouchhable and perfect in their position we would be Champions of Europe!

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:15 am

MRG wrote:As Hibs said, it will be exciting watching our first choice left back develop and improve with the experience that he will get over the coming months. It’s a nice position to be in where we have a player like Ward on the bench to call upon if required

Keep harping in about first choice when you feel sorry for Heaton on the other thread. Hart is first choice. Ward is our first choice left back given the respective games played when both options have been at the club.

40+% win rate versus 2 wins in 17

Form is temporary and class is permanent. Ward has had a kick up the arse (or slight injury) but I don’t recall him being publicly mentioned in a post match interview before (unless you include his 20 yarder at Chelsea when he may have been mentioned)

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:16 am

I like how Hibs uses the ‘seesaw’ method of player assessment.

I believe the reason he dislikes Taylor so much is that in his mind if Taylor does well it means that Ward is crap which simply can’t happen in his small mind. The only way to raise Ward back to the top is to push Taylor down. Heaven forbid that we have 2 players that are equally good or bad. Currently I believe that we have a player that has had an ok career at this level with moments of overachieving in a team of overachievers that is now on the decline and we have a player that is still some way off that level but needs the trust and support to develop into a player good enough for this level who fortunately has time on his side.

If Wood had a bad game it wouldn’t then mean that Walters had improved and was back suitable to play at this level based on the fact that he has caps for ROI and was outstanding for a small team at premiership level for a few seasons. This is sadly how Hibs is looking at the left back situation.

I’m guessing he is a young lad who has his favourite player and is sticking by him like his first girlfriend. He will have his bedroom plastered in posters of Ward and he was probably his first football card. There is nothing wrong with that and he will probably start being able to see the bigger picture as he gets older.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:17 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Keep harping in about first choice when you feel sorry for Heaton on the other thread. Hart is first choice. Ward is our first choice left back given the respective games played when both options have been at the club.

40+% win rate versus 2 wins in 17

I feel sorry for Ward too. It must be difficult knowing that your career is coming to an end.

That fact that you think that Ward is still first choice when Dyche is picking Taylor demonstrates the same level of dillusion as your rating of Taylor as a 4 or your comments that his performance was no better than against United

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:19 am

Your infatuation with Ward is going from a bit strange to slightly worrying Hibsclaret!

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:38 am

jrgbfc wrote:Your infatuation with Ward is going from a bit strange to slightly worrying Hibsclaret!

I want us to play our best team. Selecting Taylor over Ward is like selecting Long over Tarky in my opinion. I would have a similar infatuation if that was the case.

It’s all about opinions and mine is that Taylor is not good enough as the results with him in the team have proven.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:41 am

I’m not sure on the facts but could somebody who is cleverer than I am bring up the results since April with each of them playing. I’m guessing the there won’t be much difference. I’m sure that I read that we had won only 1 game of Wards last starts

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:48 am

Stats can be used how you want.

Best to check them over a reasonable number of games. The games since they have both been at the club seems most sensible.

If you want to include dead rubbers at the end of a season added to a Europa affected start to a season go ahead. Might be better to include March this year for a bit of balance. On pretty much every level the fact is we have beaten a very poor Stoke and a below par Bournemouth with Taylor starting. Yesterday’s win was very much in spite of Taylor. They should score when he puts the white flag up and on another day they get a pen if the initial foul is missed...

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:51 am

No I want them to prove the point that I am making. My point is that Ward is on a downward slope since his legs went at the back end of last season. Would the stats suggest that is a correct or incorrect statement?

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:52 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Stats can be used how you want.

Best to check them over a reasonable number of games. The games since they have both been at the club seems most sensible.

If you want to include dead rubbers at the end of a season added to a Europa affected start to a season go ahead. Might be better to include March this year for a bit of balance. On pretty much every level the fact is we have beaten a very poor Stoke and a below par Bournemouth with Taylor starting. Yesterday’s win was very much in spite of Taylor. They should score when he puts the white flag up and on another day they get a pen if the initial foul is missed...

Below par Bournemouth?? Are they not one if this seasons in form teams??

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:58 am

And yet he still gets picked for his country.

Wait and see if he gets back, it is a matter of time. Your legs don’t just go like you keep harping on about. However, defensive nous is always there. Taylor is nowhere near in terms of defensive nous as he proved yesterday. It’s almost embarrassing watching him either too tight, not tight enough, in the wrong position, wrong body shape or not switched on. For the first time in a Dyche team I worry every time they go down the right wing. Wards defensive nous is unquestionable legs or no legs

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:03 am

Hibsclaret wrote:And yet he still gets picked for his country.

Wait and see if he gets back. it is a matter of time. Your legs don’t just go like you keep harping on about. However, defensive nous is always there. Taylor is nowhere near in terms of defensive nous has he proved yesterday. It’s almost embarrassing watching him either too tight, not tight enough, in the wrong position, wrong body shape or not switched on. For the first time in a Dyche team I worry every time they go down the right wing. Wards defensive nous is unquestionable legs or no legs

Getting picked for Ireland is nothing to shout about, have you not seen them recently? No one is saying Taylor is the finished article but he isn't going to learn anything sitting on the bench is he. Ward was no longer performing at a level that made him undroppable. It's as simple as that.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:07 am

Hibsclaret wrote:And yet he still gets picked for his country.

Wait and see if he gets back, it is a matter of time. Your legs don’t just go like you keep harping on about. However, defensive nous is always there. Taylor is nowhere near in terms of defensive nous as he proved yesterday. It’s almost embarrassing watching him either too tight, not tight enough, in the wrong position, wrong body shape or not switched on. For the first time in a Dyche team I worry every time they go down the right wing. Wards defensive nous is unquestionable legs or no legs

Walters still gets picked for ROI. Would you want him in our starting lineup?

You never answered? Would the stats since last April suggest that is a correct or incorrect statement that Wards legs have gone?

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:12 am

Ward has huge experience and is very calm, doing the simple things first and foremost. I heard from someone when I went to the Olympiacos game that he is suffering with his knees and taking injections-possibly why I think he has been subbed recently or not started

I think for a club of our resource we are lucky to have cover in Taylor. Not the finished article but if we can improve his crossing and ensure he stays switched on all game he will only develop, He had a run of about 8 games last year but was then moved to the bench-he was actually getting better at the time

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:15 am

The whole team was poor in the games you are on about. Were you at Arsenal for example. Fulham this year the whole team was poor not just Ward....

Legs gone legs gone. Play another record ffs. There is evidence of the odd bad game but legs gone.... the pre season differences this year explain a lot for the whole team.. they don’t excuse what I saw yesterday and at Wolves (basic clueless defensive positioning)

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:16 am

When I tapped into this thread I fully expected all 32 posts to have been from hibsclaret

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:17 am

mkmel wrote:When I tapped into this thread I fully expected all 31 posts to have been from hibsclaret

Sorry to disappoint.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:20 am

So back to my question Hibs..

Would the stats since last April suggest that is a correct or incorrect statement that Wards legs have gone?

A yes or no wil be fine, simply based on the stats?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:20 am

warksclaret wrote:Ward has huge experience and is very calm, doing the simple things first and foremost. I heard from someone when I went to the Olympiacos game that he is suffering with his knees and taking injections-possibly why I think he has been subbed recently or not started

Yes. Could well be...

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:29 am

MRG wrote:So back to my question Hibs..

Would the stats since last April suggest that is a correct or incorrect statement that Wards legs have gone?

A yes or no wil be fine, simply based on the stats?

Hibs... Hibs.... where have you gone?

Are you looking through the stats or avoiding the question?

Yes or no??

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:32 am

Ridiculous question...work on your skills and ask a simple question

How do stats that we could possibly know suggest legs are gone...

You should ask the stats department for Wards output in the recent games or the medical team for news on the injury

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:38 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Ridiculous question...work on your skills and ask a simple question

How do stats that we could possibly know suggest legs are gone...

You should ask the stats department for Wards output in the recent games or the medical team for news on the injury

Hahaha the stats tell us everything we need to know. You are quick to shout about stats involving Taylor but ignore the comparable stats for Ward. It’s a fact that of Wards last 10 starts for Burnley we have won only 1 game will n 90mins. Compared to his previous 10 starts there is a marked difference in results when Ward is involved. Dyche has seen this and replaced him with Taylor!

We are now hearing his knees have gone and he’s relying on injections which prove my point further.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:37 pm

So Taylor was our worst player in a 4 nil win and Ward wasn’t our worst player last night.....

Must be Ward’s shirt to lose now?

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:44 pm

How many threads do you need to comment on? Bad defending can be coached out of Taylor, he has time on his side. Cowardly pulling out of tackles to protect your knees is inexcusable and can’t be tolerated by a premier league club

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:47 pm

Sounds like Taylor played well again.

I think Wagner read my comments and decided to absolutely nail our left back to the cross.

His poor positioning affects the whole team as a defensive unit.

Unreal that he keeps getting played when not up to the task. It reminds me of the tea lady trying to MD the company...

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:59 pm

Don’t like this witch hunt against a player but him and Lennon were targeted relentlessly. They don’t seem to defend well as a pair and their poor positioning is gifting far too much space to the opposition. Is Ward injured our just out of favour?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:02 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Don’t like this witch hunt against a player but him and Lennon were targeted relentlessly. They don’t seem to defend well as a pair and their poor positioning is gifting far too much space to the opposition. Is Ward injured our just out of favour?

Taylor has very little PL experience, probably why he is targeted, add to this Lennon is by no means a natural left-sided defensive midfielder.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:03 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Taylor has very little PL experience, probably why he is targeted, add to this Lennon is by no means a natural left-sided defensive midfielder.

I think it’s clear why Taylor is targeted and hopefully with experience he will improve. If Ward is fully fit he’d be nailed on to be in my starting 11 though.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:05 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I think it’s clear why Taylor is targeted and hopefully with experience he will improve. If Ward is fully fit he’d be nailed on to be in my starting 11 though.

I'm told Ward's legs are "gone". No idea where, though.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:38 pm

Ward won't play for Burnley again unless the Burton performance was hampered by serious injury.
Ben Mee was the weakness in our defence today and has been for a while but if we can sign a better left back than so be it. Keep moving forward I say. No room for sentiment.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:40 pm

Not sure how anyone can single Taylor out after that all round ****-storm today.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:48 pm

Awful performances across the team today bar Hart , Tarkowski Vokes and JBG. We know some players are better and some are suited to other systems and tactics. Taylor does not look PL standard to me although I am sure he would be great in the Championship. If there was a taxi waiting to take Wood and Taylor back to Leeds at the moment I wouldn't be too upset.