Left back

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:41 pm

Unfortunately with Ward out of sorts at the minute and Taylor looking a bit hit and miss would Brady be an ideal candidate to play left back?

I know he’s played that position before and he might be a good foil for Lennon overlapping on the left whipping them crosses in.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:44 pm

Right_winger wrote:Unfortunately with Ward out of sorts at the minute and Taylor looking a bit hit and miss would Brady be an ideal candidate to play left back?

I know he’s played that position before and he might be a good foil for Lennon overlapping on the left whipping them crosses in.

Yeah. I’ve always thought he could turn from a good left winger to a trippier esc full back with his crossing ability.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:44 pm

Not the worst idea I've heard by a long chalk.

He is familiar with that role, but such is our shortage of wingers you can see him playing left wing more often than not.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:46 pm

Taylor played well yesterday. He’s developing, he’s a good footballer, and will only get better.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:47 pm

Our back 4 is our strength because they are all experienced defenders. Putting a midfielder back there could lose that solidity. Great to having him coming upfield whipping in crosses but I’d rather have a proper FB who can do that.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:50 pm

I think with Taylor we've got to give him a chance this season. It get's caught out of position alot but sometimes recovers, he gets in great crossing positions but mostly screws them up..........but...........imagine if he got better at them. I say we persist with him and encourage him

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:52 pm

Not a bad shout at all, could turn defence into attack extremely quickly as well with him there, however it is unlikely

Greeny · Post by **Greeny** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:55 pm

All my Leeds supporting Yorkshire friends were gutted when Charlie Taylor joined us. They viewed his loss as a bigger problem for them compared to Chris Wood. Which was a bit of a surprise. I don’t know if CT is under strict instructions to focus on the defending part of his game by Sean but it’s strange that a full back with a reputation for providing great flat crosses at pace into the strikers has to date with us either passed back/sideways when in a good position or ballooned a cross over which is taken easily by the keeper (or over hit). CT is a great full back, he is just taking a bit of time to settle + hit top form.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:04 pm

Right_winger wrote:Unfortunately with Ward out of sorts at the minute and Taylor looking a bit hit and miss would Brady be an ideal candidate to play left back?

I know he’s played that position before and he might be a good foil for Lennon overlapping on the left whipping them crosses in.

You must be joking. Taylor needs some time but he will be fine. His detractors do not help.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:27 pm

Spot on Cuban.Taylor kept Ryan Fraser quiet and Charlie cut out several crosses.Hes developing into a quality defender and his Leeds style tackling only adds to his progress.Wardy is on the wane and Charlie is the ideal replacement.
We just need to encourage him to use his excellent crossing ability more.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:35 pm

While Taylor looks a little slow, and terrible at crossing he was actually very good defensively yesterday (near penalty aside). Dyche is clearly trying to get him in now. Hopefully with consistent games he gains confidence.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:46 pm

The last thing Taylor needs is dropping.
He is nowhere near as bad as some people would have you believe. Yes, he is still learning at this level, and he occasionally gets caught out, but so do Tarks and Mee, and no one suggests dropping either of them.
He has what it takes, and he needs our support to get him to deliver. How many players over the last 6 years have been written off after a slow start, only to become a fans favourite in time. Barnes, Marney............... I could go on.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:49 pm

Think if we play with a back three he would slot in nicely. If not and I cannot see this happening under SD then he would be exposed. One thing people don't mention with Taylor is that he is good defensively in the air. Like Ben Mee when he played LB he rarely will be beaten aerially by a wide player and really attacks the ball well

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:51 pm

Greeny wrote:All my Leeds supporting Yorkshire friends were gutted when Charlie Taylor joined us. They viewed his loss as a bigger problem for them compared to Chris Wood. Which was a bit of a surprise. I don’t know if CT is under strict instructions to focus on the defending part of his game by Sean but it’s strange that a full back with a reputation for providing great flat crosses at pace into the strikers has to date with us either passed back/sideways when in a good position or ballooned a cross over which is taken easily by the keeper (or over hit). CT is a great full back, he is just taking a bit of time to settle + hit top form.

CT is a great full back? I can assure you I'm not and never was.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:03 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:While Taylor looks a little slow, and terrible at crossing he was actually very good defensively yesterday (near penalty aside). Dyche is clearly trying to get him in now. Hopefully with consistent games he gains confidence.

Thought he was poor watching it live. Watched it back and he was at fault in some way for nearly every chance they had.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:05 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Thought he was poor watching it live. Watched it back and he was at fault in some way for nearly every chance they had.

Thats why you managed warburtons with observations like that

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:08 pm

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:23 pm

For f***s sake

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:35 pm

Any chance you all give him time to grow in to the job?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:12 pm

The back 4 was fine last season and will be fine again this season...when it gets picked ala Southampton

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:17 pm

and Fulham

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:37 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:and Fulham

Think that was after olympiakos away. Many reasons for our defensive performances in early season. Not sure why people can’t see that. We get a clear week and we play better and I suspect even better with the correct personnel.

Fulham was a shocker throughout the back 4 after the nightmare European night a few flights and no prep time

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:42 pm

Let’s hope Ward gets his knee injections in plenty of time!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:03 pm

ward is a warrior, played with passion, skill, and a great footballing brain. my favoutite player last season.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:20 pm

Anyone remember Kieron Trippier under Eddie Howe?
Great attacking fullback and provider of many a goal for Charlie Austin but defensively left wanting.
Sean Dyche reigned in his attacking instincts for a while and improved his all round game no end.
Maybe we'll see the same end result with Charlie Taylor.
Here's hoping.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:35 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Thought he was poor watching it live. Watched it back and he was at fault in some way for nearly every chance they had.

HibsClaret
Is this you?

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:05 am

Can’t be Hibs, this guy said he watched it live. Hibs makes his judgement from the radio/stream

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:09 am

Why don't you guys just exchange mobile numbers and carry on your infantile exchanges in private?

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:25 pm

Let’s add tonight to Wardy’s record, another loss and lower ratings than ‘chaz’ on the player rating thread! Thanks for everything Wardy but your time is up!!!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:36 pm

He did have a bit of a mare tonight. Def3nsively caught out a couple of times, going forward offered little in the 2nd half and looked quite tired.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:39 pm

He was by no means our worst defender and still has the edge over Taylor

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:42 pm

All those that wondered why we were in for Bryan from Brizzle in the summer, me included, are understanding why now. Left back is a problem area.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:56 pm

warksclaret wrote:He was by no means our worst defender and still has the edge over Taylor

He was shocking. Kept getting outpaced.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:58 pm

Pulled out of a 50/50 right in front of the away fans near the end tonight, it was Stanislas-esque and the bloke's a defender. Can forgive a lack of ability but not a lack of effort.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:04 am

Braindead wrote:All those that wondered why we were in for Bryan from Brizzle in the summer, me included, are understanding why now. Left back is a problem area.

Scored tonight in their win at Millwall,looks a steal at 6 million,i guess wages would have been the stumbling block again alas.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:08 am

Ward looked like an old man out there tonight. Sad to say he looks finished.

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:20 am

mickleoverclaret wrote:Pulled out of a 50/50 right in front of the away fans near the end tonight, it was Stanislas-esque and the bloke's a defender. Can forgive a lack of ability but not a lack of effort.

Right in front of where we were stood - he just let the Burton player take the ball. I’ve been one of Ward’s biggest supporters but I cannot and will not accept that. Very odd from a player so usually committed.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:21 am

Didn't appreciate the belmtard hurling profanities at him about how he's 'finished' and 'this is the end of your Burnley career, you are a disgrace' amongst other insults.

It wasn't a bit of a moan neither, you'd think Ward had been stealing a wage for 4 years by the way he was talking... Really disgusting stuff.

Me and a few others soon told him to shut up and **** off, but still...

*Cue David Brent voice 'Oooo you're hard'

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 am

Think he’s in a real decline. Mind you he was awful against Accy in 2015 and since then he’s been great for us. But I do think his time has come

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:31 am

CoolClaret wrote:Didn't appreciate the belmtard hurling profanities at him about how he's 'finished' and 'this is the end of your Burnley career, you are a disgrace' amongst other insults.

It wasn't a bit of a moan neither, you'd think Ward had been stealing a wage for 4 years by the way he was talking... Really disgusting stuff.

Me and a few others soon told him to shut up and **** off, but still...

*Cue David Brent voice 'Oooo you're hard'

Agreed - I think someone also shouted to him that ‘this is where your career ends, right here, right now’ or words to that effect.

None of that was necessary but to see Ward do that just upset and astonished me.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:05 am

Ward is a good player. I like him.

Some of you need a good head wobble.

Both Taylor and Ward have plus points. Neither have played this season with our best midfield. No player has yet.

Where is that pram? Some toys need returning.........

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:53 am

I've been saying Ward isn't the same player since he returned from his injury last winter. Whether it's age or a niggly hangover from his injury I don't know, but he's not been the Stephen Ward we know and love for quite some time. He was Mr. Dependable in the two years previous, I don't think I ever scored him less than a 7, but he's not been good this calendar year, not good at all. Hence the emergence of Charlie Taylor. I think Sean has had to try and get him up to speed because he's clearly our first choice left back now.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:53 am

Yeah, the two youngish lads (who looked like they might struggle to run a bath, let alone the length of the football pitch) screaming abuse at him towards the end were well out of order.

But he wasn't great again, but again, probably not as bad as you think because we lost in a daft way.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:19 am

Remember this is a player who we are being told needs injections in his knees in order to play, he’s bound to struggle.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:21 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yeah, the two youngish lads (who looked like they might struggle to run a bath, let alone the length of the football pitch) screaming abuse at him towards the end were well out of order.

But he wasn't great again, but again, probably not as bad as you think because we lost in a daft way.

So only trained athletes earning £££££ per week are allowed to scream abuse after paying to attend a football match ?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:25 am

Why would you want to scream abuse at the players ?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:25 am

It’s interesting that after a shocker of a result, the left back does not end up as the worst rated player on the pitch (see ratings thread) apart from the odd person.

In terms of defensive ability Ward and Taylor are premier league versus league 1 as over 40% prem league win rate versus 11% shows.

If Ward is past it (which I don’t think personally) it doesn’t mean Taylor is good enough.

We need a new left back if that is the case.

As for tonight, the manager imo keeps making too many changes to the team and needs to get some consistency between games. This has been part of the issue this season as the left arm does not know what the right arm is doing half the time.

I bet we made less personnel changes between all games last season than this season so far....that says it all

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:26 am

Whilst I to saw the 50/50 ball that was really more 60/40 for ward and he just seemed to give up (as the gentleman in front highlighted with words of disgraceful and you are taking a wage for this) I did wonder if he was told not to do any silly challenges that could result in further injury, but needs some game time to get back to full fitness.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:28 am

I don’t remember Taylor getting hammered by fans for stopping as last man on Saturday. On this 50/50 Wardy wasn’t last man.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:31 am

Not at all, just don't see the need to scream that level of abuse.

To be fair, there were a couple of proper "lads" shouting at them for screaming abuse from my right, and that doesn't help either.