GoneforaBurton versus MIGHTY CLARETS

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:04 pm

Where was Chas Taylor when we needed a cool head defensively and some quality deliveries to the front lads.

Big miss...

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:05 pm

Spijed wrote:What can Mike Garlick do about it?

Managers Objectives for the Season
Key Performance Indicators

(Probably fulfilled half of them tonight).

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:06 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Think you’ll find we’ll never win that, but we might be able to win a cup, and getting a bye to the third round and drawing the lowest ranked team in it should have been a good place to start.

That’s what football used to be about - winning stuff...

you're right , it did, but then the poxy league and FA decided it was to be a free for all with all manner of crappy sponsporship deals, and the whole shebang was devalued, said it before, they try to whip up nostalgia for these domestic comps , but the paying public see right through it.
It had some degree of merit as the football league cup, but how many guises has it got under in last 20 years ?

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:06 pm

We were not rubbish, we should have been 4-1 up by 60 minutes but again our finishing let us down and 2 chalked off by the ref.
Howver Taking Defoe and Vydra off showed how 1 dimensional we are. Both of the war runing a master class down the centre with plenty of good intelligent passing football, as soon as Barnes and Vokes came on it went back to long ball.
Yes only Burton but signs of good things ahead if we can pass it about like that. And today was just 1 of those days where it just wouldn't go in.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:07 pm

Spijed wrote:That you couldn't show me something positive that you've posted about SD.

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thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:08 pm

ClaretAL wrote:We were not rubbish, we should have been 4-1 up by 60 minutes but again our finishing let us down and 2 chalked off by the ref.
Howver Taking Defoe and Vydra off showed how 1 dimensional we are. Both of the war runing a master class down the centre with plenty of good intelligent passing football, as soon as Barnes and Vokes came on it went back to long ball.
Yes only Burton but signs of good things ahead if we can pass it about like that. And today was just 1 of those days where it just wouldn't go in.

Honestly if there were 2 players running a "master class" against Burton, we'd have won.

icu81b4 · Post by **icu81b4** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:11 pm

It's the numbers that appear on the score sheet and get written down in the history books that count, how we lost is insignificant.

Rats.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:11 pm

Spijed wrote:But we've ALWAYS been completely rubbish in the cup competitions with Dyche in charge.

Does this qualify as some form of pro-SD comment?
If it does then I'm truly amazed. Are you honestly happy with this?
All clubs' supporters enjoy a cup run!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:11 pm

''Signs of good things ahead'

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:13 pm

Utd have just gone out to Derby - if you want upset go to their forums

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:13 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... er#p799530

hmmm....Did you say that tongue in cheek?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:14 pm

ClaretAL wrote:We were not rubbish, we should have been 4-1 up by 60 minutes but again our finishing let us down and 2 chalked off by the ref.
Howver Taking Defoe and Vydra off showed how 1 dimensional we are. Both of the war runing a master class down the centre with plenty of good intelligent passing football, as soon as Barnes and Vokes came on it went back to long ball.
Yes only Burton but signs of good things ahead if we can pass it about like that. And today was just 1 of those days where it just wouldn't go in.

To still have Vokes and Barnes at our club is laughable. 4 years after our first PL season with Dyche and we still have them 2 clowns and a £15m Jukesque specimen

#dycheoutlampardin

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:14 pm

Who on earth says signs of good things ahead after the majority of your first team squad has just lost a game to a team 2 divisions below

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:15 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Does this qualify as some form of pro-SD comment?
If it does then I'm truly amazed. Are you honestly happy with this?
All clubs' supporters enjoy a cup run!

The only tournament I really wanted us to progress in was the Europa league as the venues, especially in the group stages, are once in a lifetime moments. The others I take or leave it.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:16 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Where was Chas Taylor when we needed a cool head defensively and some quality deliveries to the front lads.

Big miss...

I think your round the bend you. Shut your gob for once about this fine young player.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:16 pm

Spijed wrote:hmmm....Did you say that tongue in cheek?

Well if you want to say I did to win the bet then sure.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:17 pm

I’m lost for words . Shameful

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:19 pm

Dyched wrote:To still have Vokes and Barnes at our club is laughable. 4 years after our first PL season with Dyche and we still have them 2 clowns and a £15m Jukesque specimen

#dycheoutlampardin

OK I can slightly understand people being a bit miffed with Dyche, his football and the results over the that 30 odd games thus wanting a change. BUT LAMPARD IN??? Are you having a laugh?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:20 pm

Spijed wrote:The only tournament I really wanted us to progress in was the Europa league as the venues, especially in the group stages, are once in a lifetime moments. The others I take or leave it.

Fair enough, if that's your view on it.
But why do you see it as a once-in-a-lifetime experience?

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:21 pm

ClaretAL wrote:We were not rubbish, we should have been 4-1 up by 60 minutes but again our finishing let us down and 2 chalked off by the ref.
Howver Taking Defoe and Vydra off showed how 1 dimensional we are. Both of the war runing a master class down the centre with plenty of good intelligent passing football, as soon as Barnes and Vokes came on it went back to long ball.
Yes only Burton but signs of good things ahead if we can pass it about like that. And today was just 1 of those days where it just wouldn't go in.

I'm so annoyed he took Defoe off too, just when he was starting to gel following his undercover transfer from Bournemouth.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:21 pm

bf2k wrote:OK I can slightly understand people being a bit miffed with Dyche, his football and the results over the that 30 odd games thus wanting a change. BUT LAMPARD IN??? Are you having a laugh?

Attacking football is the future. Lampards the future.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:23 pm

Dyched wrote:Attacking football is the future. Lampards the future.

Agreed about attacking football but Lampard is unproven and a huge risk.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:23 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:If Dyche had any backbone, which I doubt, he would take a risk and put out a side with the priority of giving the fans a run to make up for Europe’s debacle.

Instead we got six changes, good players but some barely match fit and others badly out of form (Wood, Ward). Fluency is all but impossible.

He’s so pragmatic he daren’t take a risk of harming the league so seasons become devoid of much excitement. I can see why he does it but it doesn’t make it more palatable.

SYeah, sems to be taking the route of being the next Pulis; churning out functional teams that do not excite but produce some kind of result. Don't recall Pulis having any sort of joy either in cups with Stoke or West Brom. It is rather embarrassing our cup record but I doubt he is that bothered really coz Dyche is making the same decisions year in year out, i.e. making loads of changes and playing the 2nd string and the results are the same.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:24 pm

Stayingup wrote:I think your round the bend you. Shut your gob for once about this fine young player.

I’m guessing you went to a fine school, probably a grammar school

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:25 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Fair enough, if that's your view on it.
But why do you see it as a once-in-a-lifetime experience?

It's 50+ years since we were last in Europe and we are hardly likely to repeat the European experience anytime soon. To see Burnley play in a competitive match at a venue such as the San Siro is unlikely to happen in any of our lifetimes, unless our business model changes as a club.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:26 pm

bf2k wrote:Agreed about attacking football but Lampard is unproven and a huge risk.

They were good tonight Derby from the bits I saw. I like decent attacking teams that do not pass for the sake of it. They passed it well, in good dangerous areas. He's refreshing, looks like he enjoys it. I expect him to go far as a manager.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:27 pm

It started with Barnsley weeks after Dyche took over. Then we had Spurs, Wednesday, Southampton, West Ham, Arsenal, Port Vale, Lincoln, Accrington, Man City, Leeds, Olympiacos and now Burton.

All defeats. 13 defeats in Cups. 5 against Premier League sides, the rest against (in theory) inferior sides.

We have beaten Aberdeen, Basaksehir, Rovers, Sunderland, Bristol City, Middlesbrough, York, PNE and Forest.

9 wins. Only 1 a Premier League side, and they were bottom. The two European games needed extra time.

A 9-13 record isn’t great when only a handful have been higher in the league than us.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:27 pm

Another embarrassing result. I've never said a word against SD but he is sh!t when it comes to cups. It pains me to say that we are fast becoming an emarrasing joke of a club when it comes to cup matches. Sickening.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:30 pm

With absolutely no evidence at all I wonder if it is SDs attitude before these games that leads the players to believe they can get away with 90%?
Does he train them for this game and give them a Burton factfile or does he just toss it off and concentrate on Cardiff? They would get the message.
Whatever something is seriously wrong for this to happen repeatedly and it is an insult to the travelling fans.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:31 pm

Spijed wrote:It's 50+ years since we were last in Europe and we are hardly likely to repeat the European experience anytime soon. To see Burnley play in a competitive match at a venue such as the San Siro is unlikely to happen in any of our lifetimes, unless our business model changes as a club.

So you've basically taken this conversation back to Mr Garlick, and my original comment?

Here's a thought for you: If we can come 7th once we could, in theory at least, do it again. Or maybe SD and his staff have peaked?
Back to the chairman.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:33 pm

Not a fan of changing the Team for the sake of it, mainly cos I don’t think they work for us, that said I would have made 3 of them Defour, McNeil and Heaton.

Anyway this game had a bigger picture than just winning so I can live with it and will get over it fairly quickly. Well done Burton and good luck hope they get a big draw in the next round.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:36 pm

That Sordell looks a useful player

I'll get my coat

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:37 pm

HOORAY!

Now we can concentrate on finishing between 8th and 17th in the Prem League

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:37 pm

boatshed bill wrote:So you've basically taken this conversation back to Mr Garlick, and my original comment?

Here's a thought for you: If we can come 7th once we could, in theory at least, do it again. Or maybe SD and his staff have peaked?
Back to the chairman.

We could in theory, but Leicester could win the league again, in theory. Even the most optimistic supporter must agree that we greatly overachieved in finishing 7th last season. It took every one in football by surprise.

Unless we have a massive amount of funding available I doubt any manager could improve on what we did. We would need a billionaire owner to even match that. Outsiders very occasionally succeed once, but never twice.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:37 pm

piston broke wrote:With absolutely no evidence at all I wonder if it is SDs attitude before these games that leads the players to believe they can get away with 90%?
Does he train them for this game and give them a Burton factfile or does he just toss it off and concentrate on Cardiff? They would get the message.
Whatever something is seriously wrong for this to happen repeatedly and it is an insult to the travelling fans.

He gave them all a Burton catalog

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:40 pm

Nobody can blame Sean for fielding a weakened team tonight.

I think out biggest issues with cup competitions is we can't cope people expecting us to win. I think that is the reason for our poor start to the season.

We love being the plucky underdogs. That is when we fight and get the result.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:42 pm

Dyched wrote:He gave them all a Burton catalog

Don’t see it, that would be menswear.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:43 pm

Steddyman wrote:Nobody can blame Sean for fielding a weakened team tonight.

I think out biggest issues with cup competitions is we can't cope people expecting us to win. I think that is the reason for our poor start to the season.

We love being the plucky underdogs. That is when we fight and get the result.

Further up, someone made the point that we are basically not good enough to force results when we have the bulk of the possession.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:45 pm

diamondpocket wrote:SYeah, sems to be taking the route of being the next Pulis; churning out functional teams that do not excite but produce some kind of result. Don't recall Pulis having any sort of joy either in cups with Stoke or West Brom. It is rather embarrassing our cup record but I doubt he is that bothered really coz Dyche is making the same decisions year in year out, i.e. making loads of changes and playing the 2nd string and the results are the same.

What 2nd string? Hart, Tarkovski and Lennon out but Defour in. How's that a 2nd string?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:46 pm

I take it back when I said we were ALWAYS rubbish in the cups.

We demolished Rovers last season!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:47 pm

[quote="Steddyman"]Nobody can blame Sean for fielding a weakened team tonight.[/quote

Weakened team? Not really. That's just making excuses.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:50 pm

Leisure wrote:

I said nobody could blame Sean for fielding a weakened team. That means he didn't field a weakened team.

I believe our biggest issue is phycology. We should have Anthony Robbins in the dressing room before cup matches.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:51 pm

Spijed wrote:We could in theory, but Leicester could win the league again, in theory. Even the most optimistic supporter must agree that we greatly overachieved in finishing 7th last season. It took every one in football by surprise.

Unless we have a massive amount of funding available I doubt any manager could improve on what we did. We would need a billionaire owner to even match that. Outsiders very occasionally succeed once, but never twice.

And without Horseface we'd never have believed we could get to the PL, and then repeat it twice under SD. I'm a believer that anything, however unlikely, is possible.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:52 pm

Heats, Ward, Long, Mcneil, Wood are all 2nd string as they are not playing currently and havent much recently; clearly, all out of favour or others being preferred. Defour is just coming back from injury.

At the start of the game I thought he was right to make the changes as discussed in the live feed; I expected them to still be enough for an average League One side but clearly not and it isn't the first time. Therefore, the manager must be questioned for this strategy. If they all play Sunday at Cardiff then fair enough as they got a bit of match practice and some minutes under their belt; if they don't, then what was the point in changing a winning team? For these players to then just go back on the bench and play under 23 games and be back where they started a few days ago; this was a competitive, serious game and we lost; questions should be asked seeing as people shelled out money and time to travel there.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:53 pm

One thing I found worrying is when they scored their second goal not one of our players showed any anger or frustration, not even a shrug of the shoulders, just acceptance of our fate

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:02 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:you're right , it did, but then the poxy league and FA decided it was to be a free for all with all manner of crappy sponsporship deals, and the whole shebang was devalued, said it before, they try to whip up nostalgia for these domestic comps , but the paying public see right through it.
It had some degree of merit as the football league cup, but how many guises has it got under in last 20 years ?

The same fa that created an elitist league competition - also with all manner of crappy sponsors - that only a few teams can win, and we’re not one of them.

Tell me Wile, what are your ambitions for our club? To finish comfortably mid-table for the next 30 years like some modern day Coventry City? (Come to think of it, even they won the Cup!)

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:05 pm

What's alarming is we controlled the match,they created very little,2 soft goals given away again,when did we have such a soft centre.

Annoying that we have once again meekly tossed away a cup competition,even more irked as this isn't the 1st round,victory tonight and a potential quarter-final could have awaited.

That side should have had enough nous and quality to beat a League One team,especially after taking the lead.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:09 pm

Steddyman wrote:I said nobody could blame Sean for fielding a weakened team. That means he didn't field a weakened team..

That makes no sense!

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:17 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Where was Chas Taylor when we needed a cool head defensively and some quality deliveries to the front lads.

Big miss...

Ward definitely made all the difference tonight...

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:22 pm

and people wonder why I always say play the development squad