Chris Wood

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:57 am

How long do you think SD is going to put up with his poor performances for? In my opinion he cant head a ball with his back to goal when we launch it up to him. Constantly beaten in the air although as my dad says its not hard when he has landed after jumping before the ball has even reached him. Lack of clinicality (is that a word?)in front of goal. Also the amount of times he gets caught offside is unbelievable.

The last few times he has played SD seems to having a dig at out attacking failings and personally think they are aimed at Wood amongst others. If we could get 10/12 million for him in January personally I would sell and look at bringing somebody new in. Barnes and Vokes are better all round players for me and fit our system much better

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:57 am

Sell him

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:04 pm

I thought Wood would make a good partner for Vydra - he was poor last night though, and hasn't been great for sometime as you say. On present form Barnes should start with Vydra who offers us pace and movement we don't have with the other three. I don't think Vokes is the answer starting week in, week out but he does seem to offer a bit more than Wood presently - not saying a lot though. Seems ridiculous but we could do with bringing another striker in January, easier said than done though.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:05 pm

Why does it seem ridiculous?

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:08 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:Why does it seem ridiculous?

Only really based on the sheer numbers of strikers we have, if you include Wells/Walters too. Wood, Barnes, Vokes are all too similar for me. Barnes is my pick of the three but I feel we would benefit adding another striker with mobility and strength to compliment Barnes and Vydra. Wood seems to be one of those strikers that when in form, he'll offer nothing for 85 minutes and then pop up with a goal. When he's lacking confidence he offers nothing.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:09 pm

Something far from right with the lad. Opportunity to fill his boots and not a sniff. Never won a raffle.
Shame.

Barnes did more in 5 mins than the rest for all the time before.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:14 pm

NickBFC wrote:Only really based on the sheer numbers of strikers we have, if you include Wells/Walters too. Wood, Barnes, Vokes are all too similar for me. Barnes is my pick of the three but I feel we would benefit adding another striker with mobility and strength to compliment Barnes and Vydra. Wood seems to be one of those strikers that when in form, he'll offer nothing for 85 minutes and then pop up with a goal. When he's lacking confidence he offers nothing.

We scored 36 last season with only Brighton and Huddersfield scoring less. We don’t have a single striker who I would class as a definite starter and are desperately in need of more of a threat up front IMO

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:14 pm

the strikers aren't in most matches missing great chances.

The problem is that we aren't generally creating chances, For example all the balls to Wood at Aberdeen left Wood surrounded with no midfielder anywhere near him to pass to.

wood shouldn't be a scapegoat .

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:15 pm

He's better with the ball on the ground. Vydra is better with the ball on the ground. The midfield is better with the ball on the ground.

Yet we lump it.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:19 pm

NickBFC wrote:I thought Wood would make a good partner for Vydra - he was poor last night though, and hasn't been great for sometime as you say. On present form Barnes should start with Vydra who offers us pace and movement we don't have with the other three. I don't think Vokes is the answer starting week in, week out but he does seem to offer a bit more than Wood presently - not saying a lot though. Seems ridiculous but we could do with bringing another striker in January, easier said than done though.

Striker situation needed addressing 16 months ago at the end of season 2016/17. Barnes, occasionally can meet the demands of a modern striker but the others are hopelessly lacking.

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:23 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:We scored 36 last season with only Brighton and Huddersfield scoring less. We don’t have a single striker who I would class as a definite starter and are desperately in need of more of a threat up front IMO

I agree with you - Vokes for me isn't good enough to regularly start for us now, I love him but we've moved on as a side. From what I've seen of Vydra, he has pace, good movement and seems a sharp thinker - I think with a good run of games and building his understanding he could score goals. Wood is frustrating - when confident he does have the knack of scoring goals, but when he's in a run like he is now he doesn't offer anywhere near enough. We could definitely do with bringing in a bit of class in this area but class costs money - will we risk it?

Part of the reason we don't score enough is our system and tactics. I am sure our number one priority is to shut the opposition out and try to nick a goal. We aren't good enough to take the game to most sides in this division, doing that would leave us wide open (even Burton took advantage of that!). It is a catch 22 and all comes back to not adding enough quality over the summer to expand our style of play.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:27 pm

Vydra I would say is currently a definite starter. It's a case of whether he's partnered by Wood, Vokes or Barnes.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:30 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Striker situation needed addressing 16 months ago at the end of season 2016/17. Barnes, occasionally can meet the demands of a modern striker but the others are hopelessly lacking.

Vokes had scored ten at the end of that season. Barnes at the end of last.

Scoring ten goals in a team outside of the top six is very hard. It was pointed out that only Vardy and Glen Murray are the only two strikers to have done so last season.

If our strikers need to be replaced why are none of the strikers for the other 14 clubs fighting to stay up not good enough either, considering none of them (Vardy & Murray aside) have got into double figures?

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:43 pm

Perhaps because other teams can rely on goals throughout the team. Westwood,for instance hasn't scored a goal at all and Hendrick,despite his fee, has failed to contribute significantly from midfield. Tarkowski only just opened his account and neither Mee nor Lowton have contributed. The wide players' contribution is also lacking.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:48 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Perhaps because other teams can rely on goals throughout the team. Westwood,for instance hasn't scored a goal at all and Hendrick,despite his fee, has failed to contribute significantly from midfield. Tarkowski only just opened his account and neither Mee nor Lowton have contributed. The wide players' contribution is also lacking.

So why blame the strikers when the rest of the side should be scoring more goals?

The goals to games ratio of Vokes, Barnes and Wood will probably be as good as most strikers in the PL (outside the top six).

Who have Palace got that can score goals, aside from Zaha, for example?

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:54 pm

I think we are going to beg to differ on this. Strikers are measured by their goals scored. Your championing of the above trio,but Vokes in particular would suggest that he is vital to us scoring goals. I think he has been but is no longer.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:07 pm

Wood was absolutely terrible last night, utterly dominated the entire game by a lower league clogger in Turner and didn't win one header.

On current form he should be nowhere near our first eleven and behind the other three strikers/lucky to make the bench. Last season has gone, his performances so far this season are miles off the pace.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:17 pm

To be honest we need a complete clear out, especially the front line. Vydra will be fine but he needs a quality centre forward alongside him. We need to start getting the ball shifted through the units quicker, unfortunately this current squad can't do that. I thought when Wood arrived he'd be much better than Barnes and Vokes, unfortunately he isn't.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:21 pm

Maybe he isn't happy at the club, his form is poor at the moment but should we put him up for sale, we wouldn't get anywhere near what he cost us, we dont know what goes on behind closed doors but there is definitely something not right with him, hopefully he can get his head together and show us what he can do like he did last season. I wouldn't give up on him just yet.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:22 pm

If we're near the drop come January, I can't see us signing a forward that's any better than what we have. Unless they'll agree to a relegation clause. I'm sure that's why we miss out on certain targets - and to be fair, it's a mandatory thing for Burnley as we don't have the money (outside the Prem) that the likes of of Fulham/Wolves have, where a relegation wage cut clause simply isn't needed as they can pay Premier League wages in the Championship.

get stuck in tracy · Post by **get stuck in tracy** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:25 pm

He shows little or no emotion at all, looks like he doesnt want to be there, I bet Sean feels like hes flogging a dead horse.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:33 pm

At the moment Wood is a waste of a shirt as he brings nothing to the table. People used to slate Gray but at least he gave defenders something to think about. Vokes' best days are behind him I think like Ward. We do need a better calibre and different type of striker in the window. Hopefully Garlick will shake the dust off the chequebook.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:40 pm

Wood started quite well for us last season and looked like he had 10+ goals in him.
This season he hasn't done much (as most agree) but then he hasn't had either Defour or Brady
to put balls (on the ground) into him.
But I do think Dyche needs to give him a chance, more so when Defour and Brady are back in the team.
When that will be is anybody's guess.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:48 pm

His confidence looks absolutely shot at the minute. You can see it in his face and body language.

His strength isn't and has never been holding it up Despite being a big lad his strength is on the deck and in front of goal.

We need to start playing the ball on the deck. Defour and Vydra will help this. But yesterday was another game where we failed to test the keeper.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:58 pm

As pointed out 10+ goal strikers don't usually appear in teams below the top 6 so it's not like we're an anomaly.

Wood did well to reach double figures on his first season with us. I'd be more annoyed as a Bournemouth or Watford fan watching Grey & Defoe do nothing for the last two seasons.
We're lucky he's not our only target man, Vokes & Barnes clearly up for starting and have shown they are capable in the past.

Our current midfielders (inc Defour & Brady) only managed 8 last season. Even a small improvement there could help massively, Lennon scoring is a nice start.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:14 pm

IMO the worst signing of SD's reign.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:17 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:IMO the worst signing of SD's reign.

At least there is some positive from last night. We've moved on from Wells and Walters!

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:22 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:IMO the worst signing of SD's reign.

I presume you're joking? He scored 11 goals in 26 appearances last season

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:23 pm

Willing to see how he goes until January, especially if he benefits from us having Defour back in midfield. But if he's still ineffective, I would look to sell him and hope we can find a replacement.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:36 pm

claretfern wrote:Willing to see how he goes until January, especially if he benefits from us having Defour back in midfield. But if he's still ineffective, I would look to sell him and hope we can find a replacement.

So players who have one poor season should be sold?

As supporters, we really are becoming deluded as to how good we think we should be.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:47 pm

Watch a video of Bournemouth away last season when we had Defour and Brady in full flow. Wood was absolutely on point. People need to remember that missing 2 important creative players can mean we adapt our style and subsequently it affects other players performance...Wood is a quality player with the right service

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:50 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:IMO the worst signing of SD's reign.

And at the tme our record signing.....he's not very good. Might as well of ploughed the £15 million sorry £2million into burnley wood as an investment .there would be a good guaranteed return on the rental market and £13 million in dry powder store.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:52 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:I presume you're joking? He scored 11 goals in 26 appearances last season

I can assure you I'm not joking. I thought this board was about opinion and I'd like to think I'm thoughtful before I type. I never set out to be controversial. That said, this guy frustrates the life out of me, and I'd like to think we could get some return on him come January. If that happened I personally couldn't imagine it being to a PL club.

Jeremy_Bentham · Post by **Jeremy_Bentham** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:00 pm

. thinks Wood is only getting in the team due to the money splashed out on him - as with Hendrick when he was atrocious for months on end.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:02 pm

Even when he was scoring he didn't offer much to the team. People are starting to realise he isn't all that. I have been saying it pretty much since we signed him.

I appreciate he scored a few goals for us last year but his overall performances have always left a lot to be desired. People will seem shocked but if you want the evidence look at the player ratings.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:09 pm

Some sh*te on here. The whole team has been generally poor in attack this season.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:15 pm

It’s amazing how attackers struggle when we create nothing...None of our attack has pulled up any trees this season. Perhaps our 2 best players coming back will help

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:19 pm

Another scapegoat - I reckon that's just about everybody.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:40 pm

Not a scape goat at all. Feel free to look back at previous posts I've made I've never thought he was a "good player". I didn't really rate Gray either but when they're scoring it's all fine.

The problem for me is the way that we play means every man has to contribute something over 90 minutes. For me Wood offers nothing else other than goals, his hold up play is worse than our other strikers and he has no real pace.

I favour Barnes because generally over 90 mins I feel like he contributes something even if he doesn't score. Can you say the same for Wood? The player ratings would suggest otherwise.

Now before you dismiss my post as any old rubbish why don't you read it and tell me why you disagree with that?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:43 pm

boyyanno wrote:Not a scape goat at all. Feel free to look back at previous posts I've made I've never thought he was a "good player". I didn't really rate Gray either but when they're scoring it's all fine.

The problem for me is the way that we play means every man has to contribute something over 90 minutes. For me Wood offers nothing else other than goals, his hold up play is worse than our other strikers and he has no real pace.

I favour Barnes because generally over 90 mins I feel like he contributes something even if he doesn't score. Can you say the same for Wood? The player ratings would suggest otherwise.

Now before you dismiss my post as any old rubbish why don't you read it and tell me why you disagree with that?

So 11 goals last season isn't a good return at this level?

As has been said, aside from Vardy and Murray no-one else got double figures last season outside of the top six.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:57 pm

Just can't understand why Sean Dyche didn't start with Vokes or Barnes last night. Particularly Barnes.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:58 pm

Spijed wrote:So 11 goals last season isn't a good return at this level?

As has been said, aside from Vardy and Murray no-one else got double figures last season outside of the top six.

I did not say his return was not good, it was, as was Gray's when we went up.

I never really felt like either was the "answer" though. Woods tally was impressive, but based on the amount Barnes got, and the fact that I think he contributes over 90 mins even when he's not scoring, I still prefer him.

It's all about options, what's yours?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:01 pm

Stayingup wrote:Just can't understand why Sean Dyche didn't start with Vokes or Barnes last night. Particularly Barnes.

I think the last few times he has been picked to start it has been like last chance saloon for him. Dyche deciding not to play him in consecutive games is strange one when he usually is all about continuity

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:04 pm

Stayingup wrote:Just can't understand why Sean Dyche didn't start with Vokes or Barnes last night. Particularly Barnes.

He probably wanted to give Wood the chance to get up and running. But his contribution is zilch, he cannot win a header and for a big man, he's soft as pig ****.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:04 pm

boyyanno wrote:It's all about options, what's yours?

The fact that we scored less than a goal per game last season I doubt any other strikers would make any difference. I'd therefore look at improving elsewhere firstly, rather than looking at new players up front.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:06 pm

Murger wrote:He probably wanted to give Wood the chance to get up and running. But his contribution is zilch, he cannot win a header and for a big man, he's soft as pig ****.

You need help...

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:09 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:IMO the worst signing of SD's reign.

Walters
Wells
Sordell
To name a few. I was going to put Juke on here but in his early games he was the opposite of Wood. Offered some good all round play but no goals. By the end his confidence was shot.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:12 pm

I'd back Wood is score ahead of all our other strikers though.

But there is no doubt he's not playing well, but he did finish well last night (and he didn't know he was offside)

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:14 pm

Maybe Dyche has told him to remove his Leeds tattoo

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:15 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'd back Wood is score ahead of all our other strikers though.

But there is no doubt he's not playing well, but he did finish well last night (and he didn't know he was offside)

Agreed. He is definitely our best finisher