Dyche to United?

[MACCA]

...a bit like a young Alex Ferguson if I recall.

Did your phone autorrect it from Darren To Alex...

[Rick_Muller]

I’m sure someone with Dyche’s ability managing in Scotland would have achieved all that too. Massively missing the point that Ferguson ultimately had the benefit of time at Utd, and that’s something no one would get anymore, but if they did and SD was given the opportunity and time he would succeed.

[ClaretAndJew]

I’m sure someone with Dyche’s ability managing in Scotland would have achieved all that too. Massively missing the point that Ferguson ultimately had the benefit of time at Utd, and that’s something no one would get anymore, but if they did and SD was given the opportunity and time he would succeed.

You think Dyche would win successive Premier League titles, numerous Champions League titles and other domestic cups with United when arguably one of the greatest managers even in Jose hasn't managed it, nor did the like of Van Gaal.

Interesting.

[Spijed]

Anyone half decent capable of coaching a side into producing better football than the utter tosh we see on a weekly basis. We're so bad we can't carve open lower league sides, when a team allows us to have possession we're absolutely clueless and toothless with it regardless of the quality of the opposition. Dyche's rigid 10 man defensive crap is old and boring, now the results have dried up, more and more Burnley fans are seeing the stuff I've been preaching for years.

Pity you missed Bournemouth

[Rick_Muller]

You think Dyche would win successive Premier League titles, numerous Champions League titles and other domestic cups with United when arguably one of the greatest managers even in Jose hasn't managed it, nor did the like of Van Gaal.

Interesting.

Given time, at Utd, yes I do - because I understand the mentality of what he believes in and what drives him, unlike many on this forum.

[taio]

Given time, at Utd, yes I do - because I understand the mentality of what he believes in and what drives him, unlike many on this forum.

I'm a big supporter of Dyche and what he has achieved for us but you're stretching it massively.

[Devils_Advocate]

I'm a big supporter of Dyche and what he has achieved for us but you're stretching it massively.

I think you are being too kind when you say he is stretching it massively. Talking absolute b*llocks is more truthful

[Rick_Muller]

I'm a big supporter of Dyche and what he has achieved for us but you're stretching it massively.

It’s all about opinions and that’s mine. I respect the fact that you disagree

[ClaretAndJew]

Given time, at Utd, yes I do - because I understand the mentality of what he believes in and what drives him, unlike many on this forum.

We're fans, we don't need to understand the mentality. Dyche is in the mould of Pulis, Allardyce etc. Grind results out. He won't get near a big club, and that's not necessarily a bad thing by the way.

Look at someone like Moyes or Martinez. Did well domestically for one team, not so much with another. I think Dyche will be like that. He goes anywhere else and it's a different kettle of fish. He fits us, we fit him.

[taio]

It’s all about opinions and that’s mine. I respect the fact that you disagree

You need to remind yourself of Ferguson's huge achievements both in his early managerial career and throughout. I think if you told Dyche he will achieve what Ferguson has he'd laugh his c0ck off.

[Dyched]

We’re talking about one of if not the biggest football club in the world. Dyche hasnt shown he can fight on 2 front never mind 3/4. Managing top class players. Jose has found it difficult the last few years with these top class players. Theyre a different bread nowadays. They care more about their brand than football or the club they play for.

[Rick_Muller]

He fits us, we fit him.

Now that I agree with.

Again, going back to the loose comparison (I’m happy to describe it as loose to appease others who refuse to acknowledge another viewpoint) with Ferguson, Sir Alex served up turgid football for quite a while until it clicked (or as some believe he got lucky with the class of 92), there are some parallels there, and whilst most don’t see the subtleties of what Dyche is doing and trying to do within the scope of what he has at our club, I do. Within the scope of Utd, he could be their next long term legacy, but I’ve already highlighted why it won’t happen.

[taio]

Most people aren't able to see the subtleties because there aren't any in relation to what you actually said. Even the most avid supporter of Dyche - and I put myself in that camp - wouldn't claim what you claimed (and then proceeded to imply that you have a better understanding of the situation because you can see the "subtleties' others can't). Take Ferguson's early career which you referred to - setting aside his enormous achievements at Man United - let's look at his successes at Aberdeen:

Dyche is 47. Well before that age Ferguson had won at Aberdeen: 3 x league title, 4 x Scottish Cup, 1 x Scottish league cup, 1 x European cup winners cup, 1 x European super cup.

[Stayingup]

Never happen. Mourinho will be there for a good while yet and then probably be followed by Zidane or Simeone or some Italian or Spaniard we havent heard about yet. But definitely not SD. I would be more than shocked, but I do think he could do as good a job as Mourhino is doing with all that talent and money available to him.

[Stayingup]

Hartlepool United maybe, his football is atrocious, he can't sign foreign based players, his cup record is the worst I have ever seen and he's won about 3 football matches in 90 minutes in the past 9 months.

Goodness me. You have a short memory or some memroy issues? Agree about the cup record its appaling but we have played some real nice football at times, particularly when we came up from Championship again, when we had Tripps and Ings in our midts.

[bob-the-scutter]

Not to mention he's never proven he can manage or sign world class players, United lost to Derby in the cup, they can count themselves fortunate because with Dyche in charge they'd have lost to a team at least a league lower than Derby.

Shrooms out already?

[KRBFC]

Goodness me. You have a short memory or some memroy issues? Agree about the cup record its appaling but we have played some real nice football at times, particularly when we came up from Championship again, when we had Tripps and Ings in our midts.

Is that the season we got destroyed at West Brom when they allowed us to have 60% of the ball and laughed at how crap and toothless we were? Some things never change

[KRBFC]

We can go back and look at the Championship title winning season if you want.... How many times would you say we played good football?
We were crap until Christmas then grinded out wins and crucial draws...

Bolton Away, we were completely outplayed by bottom of the league the entire game, Gray scored a wonderful solo goal on the break to win the game.
Boro home, outplayed again, Keane equalise from a corner at the death.
Preston away, awful game of football, Barton deflected freekick won the game.
Brighton away, outplayed and another Keane late equaliser from a corner.
Leeds home, another toothless display Arfield early goal nicked it.
Basturds away, Arfield won with the only half chance we created.
Wolves home, awful game, scraped a draw.

Effective? yes obviously, brilliant results? yes no doubt, but great football? Apart from 45 minutes at Brentford and a slaughtering of MK Dons we were 2nd best in a lot of games and relied heavily on set pieces, backs to the wall defending and Gray being lethal. This myth we played brilliant entertaining football in the Championship is hilarious.

[bfcjg]

KRBFC, do you haunt houses as well ?

[thatdberight]

When Ferguson was Dyche's age he had won this :

St Mirren

Scottish First Division: 1976–77

Aberdeen

Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983

By the time he was just 50 (3 years off Dyche's age) he had won :

Manchester United

FA Cup 1990
Charity Shield 1990
European Cup Winners Cup 1991
European Super Cup 1991

So nothing like a young Alex Ferguson at all

All that cup success just shows why Ferguson was so bad. If only he'd lost to Nairn County or Forres Mechanics regularly he might have gone on to some sort of career.

[tiger76]

We're fans, we don't need to understand the mentality. Dyche is in the mould of Pulis, Allardyce etc. Grind results out. He won't get near a big club, and that's not necessarily a bad thing by the way.

Look at someone like Moyes or Martinez. Did well domestically for one team, not so much with another. I think Dyche will be like that. He goes anywhere else and it's a different kettle of fish. He fits us, we fit him.

Neil Warnock tends to agree with you CAJ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45693838

[South West Claret.]

Neil Warnock tends to agree with you CAJ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45693838

There loss is our gain.

[tiger76]

There loss is our gain.

Indeed! Sean isn't perfect but no manager is even Pep.

[Dy1geo]

My worry is Dyche to Villa if Bruce gets sacked, a bigger club but in a lower league

[IanMcL]

81% think it is a good shout!
I just clicked the yes myself, so I know!

He is our legend in the making.

[Clarets4me]

When Ferguson was Dyche's age he had won this :

St Mirren

Scottish First Division: 1976–77

Aberdeen

Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983

By the time he was just 50 (3 years off Dyche's age) he had won :

Manchester United

FA Cup 1990
Charity Shield 1990
European Cup Winners Cup 1991
European Super Cup 1991

So nothing like a young Alex Ferguson at all

I'll think you'll find the world's moved on a bit in the 33 years since Sir Alex won major trophies with Aberdeen....

[Rileybobs]

My worry is Dyche to Villa if Bruce gets sacked, a bigger club but in a lower league

I'm struggling to see why any manager would walk away from approx. £12m whilst dropping a division to manage another team.

[ontario claret]

Why don't you mention his time at East Stirlingshire?

[Bfcboyo]

My worry is Dyche to Villa if Bruce gets sacked, a bigger club but in a lower league

You can't sleep much if this enters your spectrum of worry.

More chance of UTD and that is realistically 2000-1

[ClaretAndJew]

I'll think you'll find the world's moved on a bit in the 33 years since Sir Alex won major trophies with Aberdeen....

The world has moved on since the Orient game but people still go on about that.