If there was a general election tomorrow would you still vote labour?

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:15 pm

All this week I have heard that the majority of labour party members want a general election first and if that is not possible a second referendum. But most of the labour voters (who aren't party members) I have spoken to don't want a second referendum and just want to get out of Europe and would not vote if there was a general election
So if there was a general election tomorrow would any labour voters not vote ?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:16 pm

Not a prayer.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:17 pm

I don’t think I’m answering your question, but I sure as hell wouldn’t vote blue.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:23 pm

Funnily enough the way you’ve worded your question you’ve excluded people who may have not voted Labour before but now may well do, as that is also a possibility.

And like above - Blue can go f#ck themselves

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:40 pm

Under FPTP if you believe in social democracy there is no alternative but to vote Labour.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Under FPTP if you believe in social democracy there is no alternative but to vote Labour.

Nobody can vote Liberal and be a social democrat?

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I don’t think I’m answering your question, but I sure as hell wouldn’t vote blue.

Me too John

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:51 pm

I’d spoil my vote again, what an awful choice!!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:53 pm

Depends on what the alternatives were to be honest.

Probably to be honest.

I mean, they are bonkers mad, but so are the only other viable alternative.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:54 pm

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:56 pm

dsr wrote:Nobody can vote Liberal and be a social democrat?

May as well spoil your ballot. They'll never control a government under the current undemocratic system.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:05 pm

I would sit on my hands at home if there was a general election and then who ever gets in its not my fault,the choices have never been worse in history...May of Corbyn.....abysmal choice.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:May as well spoil your ballot. They'll never control a government under the current undemocratic system.

Voting for minorities can lead to getting what you want, but it takes time to build. Look what UKIP achieved by gradually building and building their vote over several elections. Look what the Liberals could have achieved if they hadn't made all the counter-productive decisions they made in the 2010 parliament..

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:07 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I would sit on my hands at home if there was a general election and then who ever gets in its not my fault,the choices have never been worse in history...May of Corbyn.....abysmal choice.

Then you surely forfeit your rights to complain about anything, if you refuse to participate in the democratic process.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:12 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Then you surely forfeit your rights to complain about anything, if you refuse to participate in the democratic process.

That would suit me just fine.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:13 pm

Labour don't really want another election just yet and Corbyn doesn't want to rule the country. He has voted against his party on nearly every issue for years. Who would he protest vote against? It's a different kettle of fish sorting problems rather than moaning about them.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:14 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I would sit on my hands at home if there was a general election and then who ever gets in its not my fault,the choices have never been worse in history...May of Corbyn.....abysmal choice.

It’s absolutely your fault. Absolutely.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:15 pm

And I won't vote for Labour again until they offer us a decent MP who can benefit the area instead of a career politician who will take advantage of a safe seat.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:20 pm

I'd never vote Tory in my life .

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:49 pm

'I could never vote Tory in my life'
I really hate views like this. If they came up with policies that you liked surely you should.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:03 pm

Blackrod wrote:'I could never vote Tory in my life'
I really hate views like this. If they came up with policies that you liked surely you should.

yes you're right - however it is unlikely that the Tories would have policies that reach out to people like me.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:04 pm

Blackrod wrote:'I could never vote Tory in my life'
I really hate views like this. If they came up with policies that you liked surely you should.

Leopards don’t change their spots nor does the “Con”servative Party and no point in thinking otherwise.

TonbridgeClaret · Post by **TonbridgeClaret** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:08 pm

I will never vote for Theresa May and haven’t voted Labour since I was young, when I hadn’t experienced three Labour governments who each time left the country in a dreadful mess. The Lib Dem’s are more left wing than Labour, so currently I’m struggling to support anyone. Surely, the time will come when a gathering of moderate MP’s from all parties get together, to form a new party to fill the vast chasm in the centre ground. Sadly, at the moment the tori’s are moving too far right and the other two main parties are moving too far left.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:12 pm

However

Sir Vince could have stopped Brexit but choose to miss the vote, mean while Jeremy is only just coming to terms that Russia may have had some the Salisbury attacks (no sh*t Sherlock).

We need to jump a generation

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:15 pm

TonbridgeClaret wrote:I will never vote for Theresa May and haven’t voted Labour since I was young, when I hadn’t experienced three Labour governments who each time left the country in a dreadful mess. The Lib Dem’s are more left wing than Labour, so currently I’m struggling to support anyone. Surely, the time will come when a gathering of moderate MP’s from all parties get together, to form a new party to fill the vast chasm in the centre ground. Sadly, at the moment the tori’s are moving too far right and the other two main parties are moving too far left.

Just draw up a list of your priorities then vote for the lot who you think will deliver them, or the most important ones.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:15 pm

Both big parties are mad as a box of frogs, and the Lib Dem’s are in loopy land.

Labour are proposing part nationalising every big company, oblivious to how they will then relocate overseas losing millions of jobs that will make the Brexit no deal seem like a walk in the park. They are calling for a general strike, one of them anyway.

Tories are sitting on their hands and allowing Remainers to rule the roost on Brexit. May is a lame duck, hated by the electorate. Boris’s election manifesto is in the Sunday Times tomorrow with all out war vs Theresa, talking of a bridge to N Ireland, scrapping HS2 and investing in fast rail across the north (as usual with Boris, good ideas, but undeliverable).

Lib Dem’s are the biggest hypocrites of all, first of all Clegg in 2016 insisting their can be no 2nd Referendum (thinking he would win) then doing a total about turn. Their stance on hyper-liberal issues, along with Blair and New Labour, is probably the single biggest thing ruining this country (particularly unlimited migration, increasing self interest and the erosion of community and nationhood).

Who would I vote for? God only knows. Unless a Brexiteer leads the Tory party, it will probably be Labour, even under Corbyn.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:16 pm

I don't know who stole 6 years worth of my wife's pension....who ever it was are a set of tw@ts...couldn't bring myself to vote anymore,crap set of candidates with not a clue between them

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:24 pm

I haven't voted for Labour since 2001,and i think Corbyn's an idiot,however in my seat it's a SNP/Labour marginal this time,and Labour have a strong candidate,so i might hold my nose and vote for her,purely to unseat the current useless MP we have.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:26 pm

Whilst I appreciate the rational political discourse but I was not suggesting labour voters should vote for another labour party just abstain. Maybe I should have phrased the question in another way such as :-

"if you are a life long labour voter and you voted to leave the EU and there was a general election before the end of the year. If it was a labour manifesto commitment to offer another referendum with the option to remain . Would you abstain from voting?"

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:27 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I don't know who stole 6 years worth of my wife's pension....who ever it was are a set of tw@ts...couldn't bring myself to vote anymore,crap set of candidates with not a clue between them

The Tories mislead on the Women’s pension scandell so on that basis alone no women should ever vote for them again, but as they say “you can take a horse to water but...”

And let’s not forget it’s not just Women who were robbed it was their family as well.

Never never not vote as people fought for our right to do so.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:33 pm

I decided not to vote labour when in the eighties we were removed from an area of special need or whatever it was called as we as a town increased jobs and investment but the labour council was distressed and started a no no no campaign we are an impoverished town we need help we are thick we need people to pay to bring jobs to Burnley instead of celebrating what local industry had done by moving away from cotton to IT aerospace defence and other things, and that is why labour are so out of touch, lets do it ourselves instead of borrowing to keep people on their backsides because they will vote for labour and for no other reason.
corbyn hates capitalism but he wants to borrow billions to buy the votes of the lazy and great unwashed, and the rest of us will see our pensions etc dwindle as he taxes them to subsidise anything and everything that will buy him votes. He is a Greek politician in all but name.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:37 pm

bfcjg wrote:I decided not to vote labour when in the eighties we were removed from an area of special need or whatever it was called as we as a town increased jobs and investment but the labour council was distressed and started a no no no campaign we are an impoverished town we need help we are thick we need people to pay to bring jobs to Burnley instead of celebrating what local industry had done by moving away from cotton to IT aerospace defence and other things, and that is why labour are so out of touch, lets do it ourselves instead of borrowing to keep people on their backsides because they will vote for labour and for no other reason.
corbyn hates capitalism but he wants to borrow billions to buy the votes of the lazy and great unwashed, and the rest of us will see our pensions etc dwindle as he taxes them to subsidise anything and everything that will buy him votes. He is a Greek politician in all but name.

Your not standing are you

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:41 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Your not standing are you

No just SAT in front of my PC.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:42 pm

bfcjg wrote:No just SAT in front of my PC.

Oh good.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:50 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Oh good.

Delighted that my muscular skeletal position of choice overrides your concern for the poverty in the area you live in.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:59 pm

bfcjg wrote:Delighted that my muscular skeletal position of choice overrides your concern for the poverty in the area you live in.

We don’t have poverty where I live thankfully.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:05 am

Another lost Labour voter here..not a chance.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:06 am

Blackrod wrote:'I could never vote Tory in my life'
I really hate views like this. If they came up with policies that you liked surely you should.

And I hate Tories . Policy I liked lol . Name one

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:38 am

South West Claret. wrote:We don’t have poverty where I live thankfully.

Nice to know Rick Stein posts on here.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:47 am

Not sure I would. Because all parties are a bag of Daz. None can be trusted and none make any sense.

frankinwales · Post by **frankinwales** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:08 am

Steve1956 wrote:I don't know who stole 6 years worth of my wife's pension....who ever it was are a set of tw@ts...couldn't bring myself to vote anymore,crap set of candidates with not a clue between them

It was Cameron and Clegg Steve.....

I am Labour all my life but could never vote for Corbyn......

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:20 am

I'm a life long Trade Unionist and have met both Brendan Barber and Frances O'Grady (TUC Leaders) but right now I cannot get my head around what Corbyn wants for the country. Their proposals would spell disaster for the UK IMHO. But May and her Chequers agreement is also bonkers IMHO.
Strangely enough the one sensible politician at the moment appears to be Boris, which says it all about the state of British politics

Wisswosswass · Post by **Wisswosswass** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:41 am

Labour all the way baby! He's promising all sorts of free sh*t!

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:03 am

Would I f*ck (ever vote red).

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:23 am

Another lost labour vote here. Wouldn’t vote Tory either though. I’ll have a look at the Liberal policies and see what they have to say.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:27 am

I hate Corbyn whos systematically alienating Labour voters with his Islington intellectual nonsense
Totally out of touch with Labour voters who dont give a monkey's about Anti semitisim or the situation in the Midde east.
Homelessness.the state of education.the destruction of the nhs and the disaster of rail privatisation .greedy energy companies and attacking the totally inept Tory government are issues most people worry about.
Corbyn and his buddies are completely out of touch.
I will as always vote Labour as a teacher I believe the state system needs more money and this will never happen under the grammar mad May .
Also our Labour mp is a good local mp and has earned my vote.Corbyn will lose a general election so at least thats a positive result we could elect a real leader to unite the Labour movement.I would never vote for the Tories 2nd eleven the Liberals.

Wisswosswass · Post by **Wisswosswass** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:44 am

I'll just leave this image in your minds. Trump and Corbyn meeting as two world leaders.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:57 am

Wisswosswass wrote:I'll just leave this image in your minds. Trump and Corbyn meeting as two world leaders.

Scary....but not as scary as Johnson & Trump!:)

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:58 am

frankinwales wrote:It was Cameron and Clegg Steve.....

And he's disappeared off the face of the earth

I am Labour all my life but could never vote for Corbyn......

Ditto!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:01 am

frankinwales wrote:It was Cameron and Clegg Steve.....

I am Labour all my life but could never vote for Corbyn......

If that pension policy was ever reversed it's a sure fire vote winner I'm surprised none of the snakes have come up with it yet!