Yet another stabbing

[Blackrod]

In London. The CCTV footage of the offender is no surprise. A serious cultural issue. I think reformed and previously convicted former gang members could really help here.

[Wisswosswass]

In London. The CCTV footage of the offender is no surprise. A serious cultural issue. I think reformed and previously convicted former gang members could really help here.

I blame poverty personally. They need 100" TV's and free everything. Those 50" inch TV's and iPhones while your children don't have food or clothes is not going to pay for itself bruv, innit?! BTW. I totally get where you're coming from and carefully worded, you'll still be labelled a racist despite it being blindingly obvious. I don't even bother to click on BBC news when this happens. I know which 'cultural background' they're from and boom! I'm always right. Elephant in the room, but nobody has the balls to say it.

[Imploding Turtle]

Blackrod's so racist that he really wants to call out the offender for being a particular race, but such a coward that he is scared to do anything other than allude to it.

Grow a pair you pussy.

[Imploding Turtle]

I blame poverty personally. They need 100" TV's and free everything. Those 50" inch TV's and iPhones while your children don't have food or clothes is not going to pay for itself bruv, innit?! BTW. I totally get where you're coming from and carefully worded, you'll still be labelled a racist despite it being blindingly obvious. I don't even bother to click on BBC news when this happens. I know which 'cultural background' they're from and boom! I'm always right. Elephant in the room, but nobody has the balls to say it.

Go on then. Say it. Don't be a pussy. What are you scared of?

[thatdberight]

Blackrod's so racist that he really wants to call out the offender for being a particular race, but such a coward that he is scared to do anything other than allude to it.

Grow a pair you pussy.

Where is the problem with evidence-based assessment? Nobody cries, "Misandry!" when it's, rightly, said that this is mainly done by men; nor, "Ageism!" when it's discussed as mainly young men. The evidence is there. But, dare to point out that young, black men are hugely over-represented among these criminals... different story altogether.

[Spaceman]

In London. The CCTV footage of the offender is no surprise. A serious cultural issue. I think reformed and previously convicted former gang members could really help here.

Glasgow has plenty stabbings and no race issue there . Why is that do you think ? Could it be poverty and social deprivation ? You can't blame it on 'cultural ' issues .

[Imploding Turtle]

Where is the problem with evidence-based assessment? Nobody cries, "Misandry!" when it's, rightly, said that this is mainly done by men; nor, "Ageism!" when it's discussed as mainly young men. The evidence is there. But, dare to point out that young, black men are hugely over-represented among these criminals... different story altogether.

It should be pretty obvious, but i'll explain.

When it's pointed out that men, or the young are more inclined to this behaviours it's always seriously discussed why that might be the case. Unemployment, lack of opportunities, education etc. But when a black kid stabs someone and someone like me says it's because of those same reasons that younger people tend more towards violence then i'm ridiculed because the reason to those doing the ridiculing is obvious - he's black and it's because he's violent.

Just look at the first reply in this thread and its sneering at poverty as a possible explanation as to why some people and not others are lured by gangs.

[Spaceman]

Where is the problem with evidence-based assessment? Nobody cries, "Misandry!" when it's, rightly, said that this is mainly done by men; nor, "Ageism!" when it's discussed as mainly young men. The evidence is there. But, dare to point out that young, black men are hugely over-represented among these criminals... different story altogether.

Check out Scottish stabbings and notice no black boys. So that screws up your pinning it on race . What do Glasgow youths and black London youth have in common I wonder ?
Evidence based assessment? You need to get a lot more data and contrast and compare before drawing a conclusion.

[Imploding Turtle]

Check out Scottish stabbings and notice no black boys. So that screws up your pinning it on race . What do Glasgow youths and black London youth have in common I wonder ?
Evidence based assessment? You need to get a lot more data and contrast and compare before drawing a conclusion.

I don't think he was pinning it on race, he was just being an apologist for those who do.

[bfcjg]

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[thatdberight]

I think my point is proven by the responses. Thanks.

[Spaceman]

I think my point is proven by the responses. Thanks.

Er, no it isn't

[Spaceman]

I don't think he was pinning it on race, he was just being an apologist for those who do.

The guy who hangs around with the school bully ?

[TheFamilyCat]

I think reformed and previously convicted former gang members could really help here.

Agree with this point and there are examples of this working. Unfortunately such projects need funding and the pot is fairly empty.

[lovebeingaclaret]

Blackrod's so racist that he really wants to call out the offender for being a particular race, but such a coward that he is scared to do anything other than allude to it.

Grow a pair you pussy.

Which race are we talking about?

Or do you mean its cats who are causing the problem?

[Devils_Advocate]

Agree with this point and there are examples of this working. Unfortunately such projects need funding and the pot is fairly empty.

Since 2010 the Tories has reduced funding on Youth Services by £750m

[Blackrod]

Blackrod's so racist that he really wants to call out the offender for being a particular race, but such a coward that he is scared to do anything other than allude to it.

Grow a pair you pussy.

One again showing your maturity and you are incorrect. Whilst I'm not going to get into a tit for tat it's clear you have 'balls' hiding behind a computer screen. I wonder if you would dare say that to my face outside on a match day.

[Imploding Turtle]

Which race are we talking about?

Or do you mean its cats who are causing the problem?

I'm not sure yet. OP could be talking about black people, or brown people. I've not read the news story yet. OP isn't a big fan of either.

[Imploding Turtle]

One again showing your maturity and you are incorrect. Whilst I'm not going to get into a tit for tat it's clear you have 'balls' hiding behind a computer screen. I wonder if you would dare say that to my face outside on a match day.

I would, yes. What is it about me that makes you think i'd give a **** enough not to?
Why kind of pussy imagines that scenario as an example of "having balls"?

[Stacky_claret]

Since 2010 the Tories has reduced funding on Youth Services by £750m

So the stabbing is someone else's fault ?

[Stayingup]

It should be pretty obvious, but i'll explain.

When it's pointed out that men, or the young are more inclined to this behaviours it's always seriously discussed why that might be the case. Unemployment, lack of opportunities, education etc. But when a black kid stabs someone and someone like me says it's because of those same reasons that younger people tend more towards violence then i'm ridiculed because the reason to those doing the ridiculing is obvious - he's black and it's because he's violent.

Just look at the first reply in this thread and its sneering at poverty as a possible explanation as to why some people and not others are lured by gangs.

I read a very good article recently by a black labour MP and he put the blame fairly and squarely at the door of lack of paternal guidance through lack of paternal absence. Something that doesn't often get mentioned. This has bred the culture among these mainly Jamaican and Somali immigrant descendants. His words not mine.

[Stayingup]

Since 2010 the Tories has reduced funding on Youth Services by £750m

Grow up and get real. Idiocy at it best.

[Imploding Turtle]

So the stabbing is someone else's fault ?

Congrats on finding the dumbest possible interpretation.

[BFC Gold]

I. T. - Pontificator of self righteosness and Burnley`s very own narcissistic Wizard of Oz.

[Beaucoup Fish]

The majority of the reported stabbings in and around London seem to involve more non whites than whites. Can’t see anything offensive or racist in the op. Some people just want to find offense in anything and everything.

[Imploding Turtle]

I. T. - Pontificator of self righteosness and Burnley`s very own narcissistic Wizard of Oz.

I've noticed that since "narcissist" became more widely used these last couple of years that i've been accused of being one by people who clearly have no idea what it means.

Please only use words you know the meaning of, and if you don't know a word's meaning then look it up before using it.

[CombatClaret]

It was moped gangs a few weeks ago. Though annoyingly because of the helmets and gloves you couldn't see what colour they were.

[BFC Gold]

I will gladly pass that message on to those who are less well read than your highness, if and when the occasion arrives of course.

[RingoMcCartney]

I've noticed that since "narcissist" became more widely used these last couple of years that i've been accused of being one by people who clearly have no idea what it means.

Please only use words you know the meaning of, and if you don't know a word's meaning then look it up before using it.

If you were to take your own advice on "only use words you know the meaning of"

You wouldn't use words........

[RingoMcCartney]

Grow up and get real. Idiocy at it best.

You've exposed devil's advocate's lack of intelligence.

Expect to be called "drunk" from the UTC message board "One Man One Joke" laugh a minute king!

[Lord Beamish]

If you were to take your own advice on "only use words you know the meaning of"

You wouldn't use words........

With drollery like that, Ringo, you could write Jokes for Mr Tumble.

[RingoMcCartney]

With drollery like that, Ringo, you could write Jokes for Mr Tumble.

He couldn't afford the fees.

[Imploding Turtle]

He couldn't afford the fees.

Just do what you always do when it comes to fees - lie about them and write them on a bus.

[RingoMcCartney]

Just do what you always do when it comes to fees - lie about them and write them on a bus.

Yep! You shouldve listened to your own advice as mentioned above!

Now I've used up my daily allowance of interaction with an idiot. As you may be aware , arguing with an idiot means he'll only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. So I won't push it.

Toodle pip, daft lad.

[Jel]

One again showing your maturity and you are incorrect. Whilst I'm not going to get into a tit for tat it's clear you have 'balls' hiding behind a computer screen. I wonder if you would dare say that to my face outside on a match day.

Very apt to offer violence on a thread about violence!

[bfcjg]

Last time I was in London I was strongly advised by the receptionist Black lady born and bred in London by accent ) that we ought to get a taxi to the tube as you pass through a Somali area then an Eritrean then a Nigerian area and it's dangerous. If they are not fighting each other over turf they will mug you. I was shocked. But as mentioned earlier the same happens in Glasgow and up there its football religion and drugs .

[Imploding Turtle]

Very apt to offer violence on a thread about violence!

He's too cowardly even to offer violence. He likes to insinuate and allude to it kind of like he likes to insinuate and allude to his racism. All so that he can turn around and protest his innocence as if we're all stupid and don't know exactly what he's doing.

[Blackrod]

Very apt to offer violence on a thread about violence!

I wonder if someone will say something to my face isn't an offer of violence. It's wondering.

When I was younger someone carrying a knife would have been singled out as a coward, shameful and a bit wet. Some of these gangs now think it makes them look like hard men.

[Stacky_claret]

Congrats on finding the dumbest possible interpretation.

The indication is that funding cuts affect everybody
Not everyone go's around stabbing people ?

[Imploding Turtle]

The indication is that funding cuts affect everybody
Not everyone go's around stabbing people ?

When the government cut policing back to the bone what areas do you think the police spent their money on making sure was safe? Affluent areas, or poor areas?

That's just one example of how it's bullshit that funding cuts affect everybody. I'd spend time giving others if i thought your mind wasn't already made up.

[aggi]

Last time I was in London I was strongly advised by the receptionist Black lady born and bred in London by accent ) that we ought to get a taxi to the tube as you pass through a Somali area then an Eritrean then a Nigerian area and it's dangerous. If they are not fighting each other over turf they will mug you. I was shocked. But as mentioned earlier the same happens in Glasgow and up there its football religion and drugs .

I'd be intrigued to know where in London that was.

[RingoMcCartney]

The indication is that funding cuts affect everybody
Not everyone go's around stabbing people ?

Some body really doesn't understand the concept of correlation and causation.!

[Stacky_claret]

When the government cut policing back to the bone what areas do you think the police spent their money on making sure was safe? Affluent areas, or poor areas?

That's just one example of how it's bullshit that funding cuts affect everybody. I'd spend time giving others if i thought your mind wasn't already made up.

We live in some of the very poorest areas in the country
Rossendale does not even have a police station open to the public ! So we are all well aware of funding cuts

My statement stands that just because someone is poor it does not mean that they go around stabbing people ?
Irrespective of race or nationality

[Greenmile]

Some body really doesn't understand the concept of correlation and causation.!

How cute!

[Imploding Turtle]

My statement stands that just because someone is poor it does not mean that they go around stabbing people ?

This is why i have little time for people like you who do your absolute best to understand other people's points. No one here is saying that "just because someone is poor" it means they stab people., You have to be a special kind of moron to think that. But you equally have to be a special kind of moron to believe that being poor has an effect on the likelihood that you will be subject to the circumstances that surround people who call into the kind of criminality that can and does lead to violence.

Here's a tip: If your rebuttal to someone's nuanced point involves the term "just because" then i recommend you don't bother posting it, because your point is almost certainly worthless.

[Wuggawumphwumph]

Do you ever give a rest turtle

[Damo]

Maybe if the police were allowed to do their job, instead of having criminals defended by this lot, we might finally be able to take back some control

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[Lancasterclaret]

She's ******* hopeless. We've got two political parties who are full of members who are appalling.

Knocking little shits of their stolen scooters so they can be arrested is probably going to be the biggest thing ever to slow this type of stuff down (and the figures realised show it works)

[Chobulous]

She's ******* hopeless. We've got two political parties who are full of members who are appalling.

Knocking little shits of their stolen scooters so they can be arrested is probably going to be the biggest thing ever to slow this type of stuff down (and the figures realised show it works)

Sorry got to disagree there, we have 3 political parties full of members who are appalling. Nobody slimier than Vince Cable. Nobody more pompous than Paddy Ashdown. Nobody more duplicitous than Tim Farron etc. etc.

In fact the whole political system is full of members who are appalling.

[Lancasterclaret]

Thing is, it doesn't matter if the Lib Dems are full of people who shouldn't be anywhere near power does it?

it most definitely does when the likes of Abbot, Johnson, McDonnell, Priti Patel etc etc etc are